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[Rache123]

"best ending" seems to be a matter of perspective......unfortunately mine is a little different to BW's

[Arsenic Touch]

Rache123 wrote...

"best ending" seems to be a matter of perspective......unfortunately mine is a little different to BW's

While the best ending is a matter of perspective, when they said that multiplayer wasn't required to do and see everything single player wise, that isn't a matter of perspective. Because clearly the deep breath isn't available unless you use a third party application or play the multiplayer or alter your save file on the pc, that is the biggest concern for people.

[ramnozack]

If this really means that much to you and you've played the game and gotten the most War Assests you could legitly without MP then just use a save editor instead of complaining about something the devs said.

[Shelled]

Regardless of whether or not any ending is considered the best, the entire point is the fact that you need to play multiplayer in order to unlock single player initiatives. That is a fact.

Bioware basically said that is untrue. Simply put, they're wrong and we deserve an answer. Nothing in a single player game should be affected by multiplayer.

Yes you can alter your file and give yourself more war assets but the point is why the hell should you have to?

Modifié par Shelled, 03 avril 2012 - 07:05 .

[Rache123]

Arsenic Touch wrote...

Rache123 wrote...

"best ending" seems to be a matter of perspective......unfortunately mine is a little different to BW's

While the best ending is a matter of perspective, when they said that multiplayer wasn't required to do and see everything single player wise, that isn't a matter of perspective. Because clearly the deep breath isn't available unless you use a third party application or play the multiplayer or alter your save file on the pc, that is the biggest concern for people.

hmm that was kinda what I was getting at, probably not expressing myself well after a hard day at work - too tired!

[ramnozack]

Shelled wrote...

Regardless of whether or not any ending is considered the best, the entire point is the fact that you need to play multiplayer in order to unlock single player initiatives. That is a fact.

Bioware basically said that is untrue. Simply put, they're wrong and we deserve an answer. Nothing in a single player game should be affected by multiplayer.

Yes you can alter your file and give yourself more war assets but the point is why the hell should you have to?

You shouldn't but guess what? Making 10 billion threads about this isn't going fix the problem instantly. So until they fix it stop making countless whine threads and either play MP or use a save editor. Thats the only solution to it right now. Besides the person who started all this whining probably pirated the game thats why he/she is going through all this trouble because really 20 mins of MP or weeks of creating threads and whining. If you could do MP which would you choose? I'd take the 20 mins IMO.

[Getorex]

Rache123 wrote...

"best ending" seems to be a matter of perspective......unfortunately mine is a little different to BW's

Yeah.  MY best ending doesn't have my Shepard comitting suicide, for instance.   MY Shepard is MUCH more intelligent than the default Bioware Shepard - when the crucible/star kid needs organic DNA to do the synthesis ending, you know what MY Shepard does?  He spits in the beam!  Ptooie!  There.  Lots of his DNA in that spittle.  Plenty to do ANY NUMBER OF 21st Century experiments so it HAS to be more than enough for this synthesis thing.  At most, he would ask around for a Q-tip and do a quick swab of his mouth and flick the Q-tip into the beam.  Done.  And he's alive and waves to the kid, leaves, rejoins his LI.  Ta-da.  Or hell, he could just look around, find a hand or arm severed from some poor dead soldier on the field and fling THAT into the beam.  Or just toss a potted plant in there.  Plant DNA is NOT different from human DNA or dog DNA or mosquito DNA.  DNA is DNA and it is ALL organic.  Starbrat merely needs a sample of ORGANIC DNA!  ALL DNA on Earth is IDENTICAL.  Same bases, same chemicals, same structures, same mechanism of replication, repair, etc.  ALL the same.  So it doesn't matter from what that DNA derives.

Modifié par Getorex, 03 avril 2012 - 07:23 .

[Prism]

KBomb wrote...

Prismvg wrote...

Well seeing you write that down makes me think I did need to repeat myself. What I said is what I interpreted from that BioWare tweet (more exactly Mike Gamble's). So there's no canon best ending. Not yet anyway.

 
You need around 2,800 EMS to get the Synthesis ending. Besides the impossible to get Destroy/Deep Breath ending, it's the one that takes the most EMS points to achieve. Bioware stated you can get enough EMS in SP to get the best ending.


So, by that logic, it is considered their best ending. It would have to be because you can't get Destroy/Deep Breath in SP. Sythesis is the ending behind that one, which would take the most EMS points.  

Yes, but that logic doesn't account for something. Have you considered that having Synthesis available means you now have enough EMS to save Earth and your squadmates regardless of your choice? Maybe that means "best ending".

[Getorex]

Prismvg wrote...

KBomb wrote...

Prismvg wrote...

Well seeing you write that down makes me think I did need to repeat myself. What I said is what I interpreted from that BioWare tweet (more exactly Mike Gamble's). So there's no canon best ending. Not yet anyway.

 
You need around 2,800 EMS to get the Synthesis ending. Besides the impossible to get Destroy/Deep Breath ending, it's the one that takes the most EMS points to achieve. Bioware stated you can get enough EMS in SP to get the best ending.


So, by that logic, it is considered their best ending. It would have to be because you can't get Destroy/Deep Breath in SP. Sythesis is the ending behind that one, which would take the most EMS points.  

Yes, but that logic doesn't account for something. Have you considered that having Synthesis available means you now have enough EMS to save Earth and your squadmates regardless of your choice? Maybe that means "best ending".

That and Bioware's "best" ending means genocide (Geth) and outfight pointless murder (EDI).

[KBomb]

Prismvg wrote...


Yes, but that logic doesn't account for something. Have you considered that having Synthesis available means you now have enough EMS to save Earth and your squadmates regardless of your choice? Maybe that means "best ending".

 
You can do that with Control. If you saved the Collector Base, you can do it for 2,050 and if you destroyed the base you can get it for 2,350. Yet, less than 1,750 Earth is destroyed.


Synthesis is 450 points more than that. It's the only choice that “saves” everyone. The last in the lot for SP. Regardless of your choice? Nah, I don't see it that way. Synthesis isn't saving them. You're changing them. Forcing them to become the very thing they're fighting and dying to prevent.


Yet, considering it's last in the lot—highest number of EMS possible in SP, and the fact that you can force people to become hybrid robots kind of like the reapers wanted in the first place save everyone, it's obvious that it's considered the best.

[KBomb]

ramnozack wrote...

You shouldn't but guess what? Making 10 billion threads about this isn't going fix the problem instantly. So until they fix it stop making countless whine threads and either play MP or use a save editor. Thats the only solution to it right now. Besides the person who started all this whining probably pirated the game thats why he/she is going through all this trouble because really 20 mins of MP or weeks of creating threads and whining. If you could do MP which would you choose? I'd take the 20 mins IMO.

 
Woah, you're so edgy. I bet no one has ever thought about using a save editor or playing MP before you came along. Thanks so much! Why, it's the answer everyone has been looking for!


Maybe ten million threads wouldn't have to exist if someone from Bioware would give an answer to it. If the person who made this thread pirated their game, I doubt they'd be worried about how to legitimately gain enough EMS points.


You know, you seem to be whining. Are you whining about people whining? Are you coming into a thread you think is useless to whine about people who whine? Oh, you. You're just so darn trendy!

[Prism]

KBomb wrote...

Prismvg wrote...


Yes, but that logic doesn't account for something. Have you considered that having Synthesis available means you now have enough EMS to save Earth and your squadmates regardless of your choice? Maybe that means "best ending".

 
You can do that with Control. If you saved the Collector Base, you can do it for 2,050 and if you destroyed the base you can get it for 2,350. Yet, less than 1,750 Earth is destroyed.


Synthesis is 450 points more than that. It's the only choice that “saves” everyone. The last in the lot for SP. Regardless of your choice? Nah, I don't see it that way. Synthesis isn't saving them. You're changing them. Forcing them to become the very thing they're fighting and dying to prevent.


Yet, considering it's last in the lot—highest number of EMS possible in SP, and the fact that you can force people to become hybrid robots kind of like the reapers wanted in the first place save everyone, it's obvious that it's considered the best.

This is.. beyond digression. If you don't like how an ending turns out to be, it doesn't mean it's a "bad" ending and it sure as heck doesn't mean all the sudden that BioWare considers it the best.
You get 2800 EMS - you save Earth from being destroyed regardless of R\\G\\B and your squadmates are not killed by the beam. You can't do all of that with lower EMS. The end!

Modifié par Prismvg, 03 avril 2012 - 08:04 .

[Lalalandia]

What part of they promised all content to players of SP alone aren't you understanding Prismvg? You don't care? Bully for you! If Bioware doesn't care they have an avenue for communicating that. Your tortured definitions of best are as useful as a chocolate teapot.

[Prism]

Lalalandia wrote...

What part of they promised all content to players of SP alone aren't you understanding Prismvg? You don't care? Bully for you! If Bioware doesn't care they have an avenue for communicating that. Your tortured definitions of best are as useful as a chocolate teapot.

I understand perfectly well. If you look it up, my whole point since I started ranting two pages ago was "BioWare didn't say synthesis is the best ending". Nothing else.

[Lalalandia]

Bioware themselves set this up by making the various parts of the endings tied to numerical values. Even Green has two outcomes that rely on these numbers. If Bioware is claiming Green is better as it requires a higher value than Red then Red + Extra Content activated at 4000 EMS must be 'better'. The story value of any ending is debatable, their checkpointing of them with numbers ranks Red + Extra Content as the 'best'.

[KBomb]

Prismvg wrote...

This is.. beyond digression. If you don't like how an ending turns out to be, it doesn't mean it's a "bad" ending and it sure as heck doesn't mean all the sudden that BioWare considers it the best.
You get 2800 EMS - you save Earth from being destroyed regardless of RGB and your squadmates are not killed by the beam. You can't do all of that with lower EMS. The end!

It makes it a bad ending to me. Which is what I stated:

Nah, I don't see it that way.

So to me, forcing all of humanity and alien races into hybrid robots is a bad ending. You don't get to dictate to me what my opinion should be. My opinion is that all of the endings are silly and it's just choosing from bad to worse.


We certainly have different perspectives of what Synthesis being the highest level of EMS means. You're thinking along the lines of the number. That at 2,800, no matter what ending you choose, you can choose to save Earth and your squad mates. I think that's just semantics and only matters if you want to choose the Synthesis ending anyway.

If you're only looking to save Earth and your squad, you can do that at 2,650 Max. If you want to save Earth, your squad and the galaxy, you have to have a maximum of 2,800 and choose Synthesis.

Synthesis is the only ending that mentions saving the galaxy and Earth.

Just like if you want Deep Breath, you have to choose Destroy and have a Minimum of 4,000 EMS.

You can't get Destroy/Deep Breath with SP alone. So that takes it out of the equation if you look at it that way.

With every other ending, it only mentions Earth being saved, destroyed or devastated. Even with 2,800 and you choose Control or Destroy, it doesn't mention the Galaxy's fate. Only Synthesis—at 2,800 allows not only Earth to be saved, but the Galaxy as well. You don't think they consider that the Optimal ending?

Even with all that, this thread is about not being able to obtain all the endings with SP alone. Which is true, no matter of perspective or opinion.

Modifié par KBomb, 03 avril 2012 - 09:45 .

[Shelled]

ramnozack wrote...

If this really means that much to you and you've played the game and gotten the most War Assests you could legitly without MP then just use a save editor instead of complaining about something the devs said.

Does this look like borderlands or CoD or battlefield? No one bought this for the multiplayer bro. At least I didn't.

[Kub666]

ramnozack wrote...
You shouldn't but guess what? Making 10 billion threads about this isn't going fix the problem instantly. So until they fix it stop making countless whine threads and either play MP or use a save editor. Thats the only solution to it right now. Besides the person who started all this whining probably pirated the game thats why he/she is going through all this trouble because really 20 mins of MP or weeks of creating threads and whining. If you could do MP which would you choose? I'd take the 20 mins IMO.

Nice trolling bro. If you don't understand what this thread is about, then please do not take part in it.

Also, calling other people thieves is something mods should frown upon.

[Fenderbaum]

Prism..

Are you still arguing this point?

No one has said that Bioware 'said' that synthesis is the 'best' ending, but anyone with half an ounce of common sense and intelligence can SEE that the synth ending is obviously what Bioware 'consider' to be the best ending...

Bottom line is, Bioware employees clearly stated, numerous times after massive forum/fan backlash, that MP did not impact on the SP game in ANY way...

And same said employees clearly stated that in SP alone, you can achieve the 'best' ending (whatever ending that actually refers too).

[hangmans tree]

They did not lie... they just missed the truth by a margin ;P

[Shelled]

And the opposite of the truth is..... ?????  ...A...... ??????

Anyone?

Modifié par Shelled, 04 avril 2012 - 03:00 .

[Lalalandia]

Let's hope the answer is 'a misunderstanding'

[Lalalandia]

.....but as the wait for a proper answer goes on that gets harder to believe

[Turbotanden]

Biggest problem isn't that they promised something different beforehand, stuff might have happened that changed how EMS was calculated or whatever. The biggest problem is that a bioware representative has a sticky post up there that is still lying to the fanbase.

[bluewolv1970]

Turbotanden wrote...

Biggest problem isn't that they promised something different beforehand, stuff might have happened that changed how EMS was calculated or whatever. The biggest problem is that a bioware representative has a sticky post up there that is still lying to the fanbase.

exactly - and the longer it stays up it just further erodes ANY credibility that anyone from Bioware that posts on these forums has