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[Sanrei]

There's either a bug or the fans and Bioware don't see eye to eye as what constitutes the best ending(understatement of the year). Maybe this is a moot point until we know what's going to happen with the ending..

Everyone I've talked to seems to be of the impression that if you have enough ems/readiness Shepard should live and that's the best you can get, and that even with an import and all the side missions you can muster you still need to play MP to get it.

EDIT: Although I think you were supposed to be able to have the full range of options just by playing SP regardless. I don't know. It's frustrating, whatever the case.

Modifié par PedEgg, 30 mars 2012 - 06:05 .

[Bfler]

Maybe they will release such a DLC like the Feastday Gifts and Pranks pack for DAO which will allow you to raise the EMS or the Galactic Readiness.

[Elk Cloner]

kbct wrote...

Just don't use the word "lie" because that was the reason for the lock.

Artistic integrity. 

[Squallypo]

Elk Cloner wrote...

kbct wrote...

Just don't use the word "lie" because that was the reason for the lock.

Artistic integrity. 

ftw 

[LeBurns]

Don't don't everyone posting here just send J Lee a message asking him to change or clarify the message?

To me it is clearly incorrect.

[Lalalandia]

I'd be concerned that might constitute harassment and as no dev has responded when questioned on twitter, it's likely futile to boot

[Kub666]

LeBurns wrote...

Don't don't everyone posting here just send J Lee a message asking him to change or clarify the message?

To me it is clearly incorrect.

Jarrett's signature states he does not check PMs. 

He's a PR guy - make of it what you will.

[Eclipse merc]

DocDoomII wrote...

Lalalandia wrote...

Countless people have data-mined coalesced.ini and done multiple run throughs of the game and finished the game with a peak total of:  7200 War Assets
The default value for Galactic Readiness is: 50%

Effective Military Strength is: Total War Assets * Galactic Readiness

Thus far that means: 7200 * 50% = 7200 * 0.5 = 3600 points

An EMS of 3600 is insufficient to enjoy all of the game content as a particular outcome is reliant on an EMS of at least 4000 or 5000 if other choices are made with regard to the ending.

The last thread criticising the sticky post was locked down as after 18 pages with no response folks had gotten tetchy. Well it was locked down with a simple 'we're not lying' from Chris Priestly.

So then Chris or a colleague please explain how you get more than 3600 EMS without going near MultiPlayer?

Or explain why not being able to get more than 3600 EMS is consistent with the many statements that MP would not be required to get all of the content and that there was enough in SP to see all of it.

But you see. He is accurate.
Regarless of your choices or the fact that you play the MP or not, you always get the same ending. Color palette not withstanding.
The 10 seconds breathing movie cameo is just useless anyway.

Yeah, they're basically all the same thing...

[bluewolv1970]

Since no where does it say on the game package that an internet connection is needed to access single player features AND Shepard breathing IS a part of single player AND you cannot get Shepard breathing without playing MP and thus needing to be connected to the internet, I would say that that is somewhere between misleading and false advertisement.

[Gatt9]

AlanC9 wrote...

KingJason13 wrote...
You are missing the point. The claim is that the optimal ending, which I'll assume to be Reapers Destroyed/Shep breathing, is attainable via a first time playthrough of the $60 Single Player game is NOT TRUE.

The problem is the assumption. Or rather, the problem is that Jarrett Lee may have been making a different assumption.

Though since the thread title is whether his post is "accurate,"  rather than whether he's lying or some such, it's safe to say that the post is not accurate. I don't think ME3 even has an optimal ending in the first place -- they're all flawed in different ways.

Strongly disagree.

They established point values,  which clearly tie to tiers of success.  The highest tier of success cannot be obtained via SP,  only via MP. 

This makes the statement stickied at the top of the board extremely incorrect,  especially as the post claims there's "More than enough",  when in fact,  there isn't enough,  and there is no surplus.

Since they clearly established point values,  and tiers of success,  the philisophical aspect is irrelevant.  It's a linear reward system,  there's no need to bring philisophical analysis into it.

But then,  IIRC,  you tried using quantum physics to justify the DLC too.

[Esquin]

Exactly what endings are you missing out on? I finished the game without multiplayer and i'm pretty sure I had access to all the ending content. I'm not sure what an extra 500 points would have gotten me?

[Esquin]

bluewolv1970 wrote...

Since no where does it say on the game package that an internet connection is needed to access single player features AND Shepard breathing IS a part of single player AND you cannot get Shepard breathing without playing MP and thus needing to be connected to the internet, I would say that that is somewhere between misleading and false advertisement.

This guy right here. This guy got that ending. WIthout multiplayer or any other galaxy at war related content. Just an imported single palyer game.

[The Spamming Troll]

can this question be answered with one word:

is bioware dumb?

Modifié par The Spamming Troll, 30 mars 2012 - 11:13 .

[Krogangreetings]

Esquin wrote...

Exactly what endings are you missing out on? I finished the game without multiplayer and i'm pretty sure I had access to all the ending content. I'm not sure what an extra 500 points would have gotten me?

it's an extra part added to the destroy option we're missing

[Rafe34]

ConVito wrote...

Esquin wrote...

bluewolv1970 wrote...

Since no where does it say on the game package that an internet connection is needed to access single player features AND Shepard breathing IS a part of single player AND you cannot get Shepard breathing without playing MP and thus needing to be connected to the internet, I would say that that is somewhere between misleading and false advertisement.

This guy right here. This guy got that ending. WIthout multiplayer or any other galaxy at war related content. Just an imported single palyer game.

Alright everyone, say it with me:

PICS OR IT DIDN'T HAPPEN.

[DeadPoolX]

The Anti-Saint wrote...

To be fair, they've received a fair share of death threats, profanity, and various types of grotesqueries flung their way.

You mean people have actually sent death threats to BioWare? 

It's a freaking game!  A good game, the last one in a trilogy that many of us spent hours playing and investing emotional energy into, but it's still a game!

I'm sorry if this sounds rude, but anyone who sends death threats to someone over a video game needs psychological counseling.   

[Lunatic LK47]

As it is, it is full of nothing but misinformation. People have datamined the crap out of the game, and as it is, there is an insufficient amount of war assets to get the "Optimal" ending with Shepard living. Last, but not least, I'm going to quote Brian Gamble's previous interview about Multiplayer:


http://www.nowgamer....ry_details.html

"Of course you don’t have to play multiplayer, you can choose to play
all the side-quests in single-player and do all that stuff you’ll
still get all the same endings and same information, it’s just a
totally different way of playing"


Guess what, it's STILL MANDATORY. REMOVE THE DAMN STICKY!

[Kub666]

DeadPoolMK wrote...

The Anti-Saint wrote...

To be fair, they've received a fair share of death threats, profanity, and various types of grotesqueries flung their way.

You mean people have actually sent death threats to BioWare? 

It's a freaking game!  A good game, the last one in a trilogy that many of us spent hours playing and investing emotional energy into, but it's still a game!

I'm sorry if this sounds rude, but anyone who sends death threats to someone over a video game needs psychological counseling.   

If you have thousands of people pissed off and complaining, there will always be a few kids who take it too far and write in anger something, that most probably they don't really mean. It is unfair and illogical for Bio to use an argument of "death threats" in conversation with fans.

Everybody known / important enough will be getting death threats. Even Mother Theresa would get them if she lived in an age of information, as we do. It's just a rule of large numbers.

[Lunatic LK47]

Kub666 wrote...

DeadPoolMK wrote...

The Anti-Saint wrote...

To be fair, they've received a fair share of death threats, profanity, and various types of grotesqueries flung their way.

You mean people have actually sent death threats to BioWare? 

It's a freaking game!  A good game, the last one in a trilogy that many of us spent hours playing and investing emotional energy into, but it's still a game!

I'm sorry if this sounds rude, but anyone who sends death threats to someone over a video game needs psychological counseling.   

If you have thousands of people pissed off and complaining, there will always be a few kids who take it too far and write in anger something, that most probably they don't really mean. It is unfair and illogical for Bio to use an argument of "death threats" in conversation with fans.

Everybody known / important enough will be getting death threats. Even Mother Theresa would get them if she lived in an age of information, as we do. It's just a rule of large numbers.

This. Look where SOPA ended up if it weren't for those of us that spoke against it.

[RiouHotaru]

My guess? The 4k/5k endings are MP only. The cut-off point NORMALLY is 2800. And Jarret's post is accurate, there's more than enough to get 2800, in fact there's 3.7k-3.8k available normally.

The fact that there's an SLIGHT change in one ending with 4k-5k is likely something special for the folks who devoted the time and effort for MP.


EDIT: Notice Jarret's updates

UPDATE: changing post title, "perfect" ending may create confusion. This post indicates how military strength, war assets and galactic readiness affect the endings. 

He's not talking about perfect, or even optimal.  Everyone has just ASSUMED that "Shepard lives" is optimal.

Modifié par RiouHotaru, 31 mars 2012 - 09:28 .

[Malcroix]

RiouHotaru wrote...

My guess? The 4k/5k endings are MP only. The cut-off point NORMALLY is 2800. And Jarret's post is accurate, there's more than enough to get 2800, in fact there's 3.7k-3.8k available normally.

The fact that there's an SLIGHT change in one ending with 4k-5k is likely something special for the folks who devoted the time and effort for MP.

That would be in TOTAL contradiction to Jarrett's entire post, where he explicitly stated that "You do NOT have to play multiplayer to get the best single-player endings".

What you're saying is that one would HAVE to play multiplayer to get the "special" ending in single player. That is obviously contrary to Jarrett's position.

RiouHotaru wrote...

UPDATE: changing post title, "perfect" ending may create confusion. This post indicates how military strength, war assets and galactic readiness affect the endings.

He's not talking about perfect, or even optimal. Everyone has just ASSUMED that "Shepard lives" is optimal.

Again:

"You do NOT have to play multiplayer to get the best single-player endings."

Modifié par Malcroix, 31 mars 2012 - 09:32 .

[Solmanian]

Bfler wrote...

Maybe they will release such a DLC like the Feastday Gifts and Pranks pack for DAO which will allow you to raise the EMS or the Galactic Readiness.

Thats actually a great idea. It will allow you to try doing the end with different EMS and experience all the possibilities from the end of mankind to the Shepard lives ending.

[Krogangreetings]

I think with all the bits they cut and all the bits held on to for dlc they messed the ending values up, you'd think it had been spotted but they manged to miss the face import and thats the first bit of the game

[Solmanian]

According to my calculations from the ME wiki current maximum value is 7600ish, and thats assuming you played paragon all the way, renegade choices mostly cause it drop, especially the ones made in ME3 itself. 50% means 3800ish. Another 400 EMS should be easy to acquire. It also means that to get to 4000 with MP, you only need 2-3 matches.