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[Kub666]

Solmanian wrote...
It also means that to get to 4000 with MP, you only need 2-3 matches.

Bioware explicitly said that you should need none. And the Jarrett's sticky is still there.

[Kub666]

BTW, here's a quote from ME twitter, answering my question about this issue:

@kub666 We've reported people's difficulty achieving this, though we have heard many reports of people garnering over 4k with only SP.

So, thanks a lot all of you people who are confusing EMS with War Assets and make Bioware think that everything works fine.

[Juha81FIN]

Kub666 wrote...

BTW, here's a quote from ME twitter, answering my question about this issue:

@kub666 We've reported people's difficulty achieving this, though we have heard many reports of people garnering over 4k with only SP.

So, thanks a lot all of you people who are confusing EMS with War Assets and make Bioware think that everything works fine.

How does the war assets system make sense, if no one can make sense out of it.

[KBomb]

RiouHotaru wrote...

My guess? The 4k/5k endings are MP only. The cut-off point NORMALLY is 2800. And Jarret's post is accurate, there's more than enough to get 2800, in fact there's 3.7k-3.8k available normally.

The fact that there's an SLIGHT change in one ending with 4k-5k is likely something special for the folks who devoted the time and effort for MP.


EDIT: Notice Jarret's updates

UPDATE: changing post title, "perfect" ending may create confusion. This post indicates how military strength, war assets and galactic readiness affect the endings. 

He's not talking about perfect, or even optimal.  Everyone has just ASSUMED that "Shepard lives" is optimal.

 
 
Do you seriously not understand the issue? Because this:

The 4k/5k endings are MP only

..is the issue!


Honestly, I know you love Bioware, but you keep defending them on this issue (and every other one) but this one you cannot defend. Have you not seen the evidence provided in the numerous threads stating articles, interviews, tweets etc. where they have stated inexplicably that you do not need to even touch MP, that no content will be walled off to you because you didn't choose to play. They have stated numerous times that Mp is just an alternative way to achieve it.

The fact that there's an SLIGHT change in one ending with 4k-5k is likely something special for the folks who devoted the time and effort for MP.

Then they should give them something special in MP for this. An extra weapon or customization. Do not give them something special in SP. By doing this, you are giving something special to those who, as you say “devoted time to MP”, while punishing those who do not want to partake in it. Which contradicts every thing they have stated about SP and MP from the get-go. I can tell you right now that I, along with everyone on this thread, have devoted hundreds of hours to ME. All single-player. And I do mean Hundreds.


Every time you or anyone else makes a statement like this, it only confirms that Bioware has spread misinformation. I don't think we're the ones ASSUMING anything. I think it's you and those of your ilk who refuse to see this as an issue who are assumming much and understanding little.

[wizardryforever]

It's accurate because there is no "optimal" ending.  The breathing scene is hardly indicative of a better ending.  It's basically just a little easter egg that you get for being dedicated to both facets of the game (single and multi).  You can successfully complete the game and get the best ending in sinlge-player only.  There are "worse" endings to the game if you don't have enough war assets, like Earth being destroyed.  You can easily avoid such endings with just single-player.  That's what Jarret was saying.

Not getting the breathing scene is not "punishment."  That's just asinine.  It's a reward for those who like to play both single and multiplayer.  That lack of that (very minor) reward does not constitute a punishment.  Just like the lack of a carrot does not constitute a stick.

[KBomb]

wizardryforever wrote...

It's accurate because there is no "optimal" ending.  The breathing scene is hardly indicative of a better ending.  It's basically just a little easter egg that you get for being dedicated to both facets of the game (single and multi).  You can successfully complete the game and get the best ending in sinlge-player only.  There are "worse" endings to the game if you don't have enough war assets, like Earth being destroyed.  You can easily avoid such endings with just single-player.  That's what Jarret was saying.

Not getting the breathing scene is not "punishment."  That's just asinine.  It's a reward for those who like to play both single and multiplayer.  That lack of that (very minor) reward does not constitute a punishment.  Just like the lack of a carrot does not constitute a stick.

Hmm..

The breathing scene is hardly indicative of a better ending.

Cool. You have an opinion. So do I. I think showing Shepard alive is indicative of a better ending. So do others. And what is this “best ending” that Jarrett and others are talking about? Because in all press statements, they don't say “You can avoid the worst endings by playing single-player alone.” No, what they say are “You can get the optimal ending and all the content in the game with single player alone.” Which of the three choices is the best ending? I don't think I have ever seen an official statement on the fact. Which is very convenient, that way no one has to say it was “misinformation” at all.

Not getting the breathing scene is not "punishment." That's just asinine. It's a reward for those who like to play both single and multiplayer. That lack of that (very minor) reward does not constitute a punishment. Just like the lack of a carrot does not constitute a stick.

What's asinine is saying that MP is an alternative and you don't need it to experience anything in SP because, then adding a scene in SP that you can only get from MP. Also, how can you say in one sentence that this so-called “easter egg” is a reward for playing MP, then in an other state it's not a punishment? If giving it to those who play MP is a reward, then denying it to those who don't is the opposite. Which is....? Penalty.

[durasteel]

Rickin10 wrote...

You obviously havn't seen the multitude of quotes by the devs that are blatent lies. This is just one in a huge list.

I would be happier with intentional deception. Honestly, I expect companies and their representatives to exaggerate positives and sweep negatives under the rug. This isn't that.

The innaccurate statements about the ending, including the issues related to war assets, doesn't seem to be a "lie" to me. My impression--and I could certainly be wrong--is that there were a lot of plans for the big finale that everyone from the corporate suits to the community managers thought were finalised, but the team just flat ran out of time before they could be implimented.

I really don't think the BioWare reps planned to be deceptive or dishonest, this is really just a failure of planning and time management, perhaps exacerbated by Mac Walters getting writer's block at the worst possible time.

[Malcroix]

wizardryforever wrote...

It's accurate because there is no "optimal" ending.  The breathing scene is hardly indicative of a better ending.

Are you for real? Shepard surviving is not a better ending? That is beyond ludicrous.

It's basically just a little easter egg that you get for being dedicated to both facets of the game (single and multi).  You can successfully complete the game and get the best ending in sinlge-player only.

An ending where the main character does not survive is obviously WORSE than an ending where he does, all other things being equal.

There are "worse" endings to the game if you don't have enough war assets, like Earth being destroyed.  You can easily avoid such endings with just single-player.  That's what Jarret was saying.

No, what he said was that it is possible to get the "BEST ENDING" WITHOUT PLAYING MULTIPLAYER.

Not getting the breathing scene is not "punishment."  That's just asinine.  It's a reward for those who like to play both single and multiplayer.

The ending with that scene is BETTER than the endings without the scene.

Therefore, it is the BEST ending.

Therefore, according to Jarrett, we should be able to get it without MP.

But, we can't. To get it, we have to play MP (or hack the game).

Clear enough for you?

[Malcroix]

Kub666 wrote...

BTW, here's a quote from ME twitter, answering my question about this issue:

@kub666 We've reported people's difficulty achieving this, though we have heard many reports of people garnering over 4k with only SP.

So, thanks a lot all of you people who are confusing EMS with War Assets and make Bioware think that everything works fine.

I believe this indicates that indeed, there is a bug - or rather, a mistake by Bioware. Judging from the reply, Bioware believes 4000 EMS can be gathered in SP only. However, the community has conclusive proof that this is not the case.

[VampireSoap]

The idea of locking down threads itself is appalling to me. I have been here since the beginning of 2011 and I have never seen anyone threatening the lives of others. And yet, threads usually are shut down with no good reason. Perhaps it's just because I'm an American, but I really don't feel that there is much freedom of speech in here.

[Super.Sid]

I think that they believe that "synthesis" and not shepard alive is the best ending

[Volus Warlord]

This is just asinine...

Marketing= Making numerous sweet sounding duplicitous statements

Are you guys too naive to understand that?

[Beernun]

Kub666 wrote...

Solmanian wrote...
It also means that to get to 4000 with MP, you only need 2-3 matches.

Bioware explicitly said that you should need none. And the Jarrett's sticky is still there.

That's interesting. I only completed 2 matches(bronze) and I did all the side missions and scanned 100% of every system: I ended with over 6600 War Assets. did my 2 matches push me that far?

Modifié par Beernun, 31 mars 2012 - 04:47 .

[William91]

Dont worry! You will get the same endings but in different colors, no matter how many EMS you get oh, if you are lucky, Shepard will breath!

[bluewolv1970]

[quote]wizardryforever wrote...

It's accurate because there is no "optimal" ending.  The breathing scene is hardly indicative of a better ending.  It's basically just a little easter egg that you get for being dedicated to both facets of the game (single and multi).  You can successfully complete the game and get the best ending in sinlge-player only.  There are "worse" endings to the game if you don't have enough war assets, like Earth being destroyed.  You can easily avoid such endings with just single-player.  That's what Jarret was saying.

Not getting the breathing scene is not "punishment."  That's just asinine.  It's a reward for those who like to play both single and multiplayer.  That lack of that (very minor) reward does not constitute a punishment.  Just like the lack of a carrot does not


where does it say on the game box when you purchase mass effect 3, that some of tthe SP content is only accessible if you have an internet connection, xbox gold account, adn or an iphone...therefore is is misleading, if not flat out false advertising since some of the content in SP does require the PURCHASE of other items and or eqiipment...and to such Shepard living should be a "reward" for those who play both SP and MP is silly since the WHOLE series was SP game ABOUT shepard

[ncknck]

Malcroix wrote...


Are you for real? Shepard surviving is not a better ending? That is beyond ludicrous.

An ending where the main character does not survive is obviously WORSE than an ending where he does, all other things being equal.

Why do you think Shepard surviving makes for better ending, aside from "obviously"? I think you are confusing a better ending for Shepard with a better ending for the story and player. Obviously, Bioware means the latter.

[Gatt9]

Kub666 wrote...

BTW, here's a quote from ME twitter, answering my question about this issue:

@kub666 We've reported people's difficulty achieving this, though we have heard many reports of people garnering over 4k with only SP.

So, thanks a lot all of you people who are confusing EMS with War Assets and make Bioware think that everything works fine.

It's a deflecting statement,  they know as well as we do that it's impossible.  It takes 5 minutes to do "Find all references" (in this project) on warAssets and add them up. 

They're trying to play on the reader's inability to search the project,  most people's inability to datamine,  and the uncertainty factor  it introduces to pretend it's possible.

They're just going to keep pretending it's possible rather than make an official statement and hope it goes away.  Sadly for them,  what's going away is this customer,  I'm definitely not buying any further EA/Bioware products.

[bluewolv1970]

Gatt9 wrote...

Kub666 wrote...

BTW, here's a quote from ME twitter, answering my question about this issue:

@kub666 We've reported people's difficulty achieving this, though we have heard many reports of people garnering over 4k with only SP.

So, thanks a lot all of you people who are confusing EMS with War Assets and make Bioware think that everything works fine.

It's a deflecting statement,  they know as well as we do that it's impossible.  It takes 5 minutes to do "Find all references" (in this project) on warAssets and add them up. 

They're trying to play on the reader's inability to search the project,  most people's inability to datamine,  and the uncertainty factor  it introduces to pretend it's possible.

They're just going to keep pretending it's possible rather than make an official statement and hope it goes away.  Sadly for them,  what's going away is this customer,  I'm definitely not buying any further EA/Bioware products.

of course they know it is not possible - just like they knew before release about the face import issue (that or they have the worst QA people on the planet) - they just do not care anymore - Bioware acts like  a bank towards there customers - they mislead, use technicalities or fein ignorance rather than simply admit a problem and fix it.  In the end Bioware views us as a money grab and that is it - and the irony is that they then tell us they want to have open and honest discussion regarding issues with ME3 - yet Jarret Lee's thread is a testimony to the contrary

Modifié par bluewolv1970, 31 mars 2012 - 05:22 .

[Reorte]

ncknck wrote...

Malcroix wrote...


Are you for real? Shepard surviving is not a better ending? That is beyond ludicrous.

An ending where the main character does not survive is obviously WORSE than an ending where he does, all other things being equal.

Why do you think Shepard surviving makes for better ending, aside from "obviously"? I think you are confusing a better ending for Shepard with a better ending for the story and player. Obviously, Bioware means the latter.

How can it not, especially considering that the appeal of the Mass Effect series is primarily the characters?

[wizardryforever]

Malcroix wrote...

wizardryforever wrote...

It's accurate because there is no "optimal" ending.  The breathing scene is hardly indicative of a better ending.

Are you for real? Shepard surviving is not a better ending? That is beyond ludicrous.

It's basically just a little easter egg that you get for being dedicated to both facets of the game (single and multi).  You can successfully complete the game and get the best ending in sinlge-player only.

An ending where the main character does not survive is obviously WORSE than an ending where he does, all other things being equal.

There are "worse" endings to the game if you don't have enough war assets, like Earth being destroyed.  You can easily avoid such endings with just single-player.  That's what Jarret was saying.

No, what he said was that it is possible to get the "BEST ENDING" WITHOUT PLAYING MULTIPLAYER.

Not getting the breathing scene is not "punishment."  That's just asinine.  It's a reward for those who like to play both single and multiplayer.

The ending with that scene is BETTER than the endings without the scene.

Therefore, it is the BEST ending.

Therefore, according to Jarrett, we should be able to get it without MP.

But, we can't. To get it, we have to play MP (or hack the game).

Clear enough for you?

A 5 second scene in which someone who may or may not be Shepard takes one gasping breath is hardly something to get so upset about.  Hell, it could be that it is Shepard's dying breath.  It really doesn't make that much of a difference.  I don't think Bioware considers such a small teaser to be an "ending," as it takes place after the ending as I recall.

Anyway, "best" is subjective.  Some people like the idea of the heroic sacrifice, and some people want the protagonist to survive things that no human could survive (like the destruction of a space station without some kind of protection from vacuum).  I don't think this scene makes any more difference than the scene at the end of Halo 3 after beating it on Legendary, or the scene after the credits in X-Men 3.  It's meant to make you go "holy crap!"  It's not meant to be taken as gospel and have people get up in arms about having to play the other half of the game in order to get it.

And seriously, considering how many people despise the endings anyway, this small scene is hardly the most important aspect to get upset about.  If you want to interpret Jarrett's statement as a lie, go right ahead, but strictly speaking, it isn't a lie.

And what the hell is wrong with playing one or two matches in multi-player on the lowest difficulty?  It plays more or less like the single-player anyway, except that your teammates are (usually) worth a damn, so you don't have to do everything yourself.

[KBomb]

wizardryforever wrote...

A 5 second scene in which someone who may or may not be Shepard takes one gasping breath is hardly something to get so upset about.  Hell, it could be that it is Shepard's dying breath.  It really doesn't make that much of a difference.  I don't think Bioware considers such a small teaser to be an "ending," as it takes place after the ending as I recall.

Anyway, "best" is subjective.  Some people like the idea of the heroic sacrifice, and some people want the protagonist to survive things that no human could survive (like the destruction of a space station without some kind of protection from vacuum).  I don't think this scene makes any more difference than the scene at the end of Halo 3 after beating it on Legendary, or the scene after the credits in X-Men 3.  It's meant to make you go "holy crap!"  It's not meant to be taken as gospel and have people get up in arms about having to play the other half of the game in order to get it.

And seriously, considering how many people despise the endings anyway, this small scene is hardly the most important aspect to get upset about.  If you want to interpret Jarrett's statement as a lie, go right ahead, but strictly speaking, it isn't a lie.

And what the hell is wrong with playing one or two matches in multi-player on the lowest difficulty?  It plays more or less like the single-player anyway, except that your teammates are (usually) worth a damn, so you don't have to do everything yourself.

 
Well, what the hell is wrong with not wanting to play multi-player at all? Or are you one of those people who think “I like something, so it's only logical that everyone else should, too.”?

[wizardryforever]

KBomb wrote...

wizardryforever wrote...

A 5 second scene in which someone who may or may not be Shepard takes one gasping breath is hardly something to get so upset about.  Hell, it could be that it is Shepard's dying breath.  It really doesn't make that much of a difference.  I don't think Bioware considers such a small teaser to be an "ending," as it takes place after the ending as I recall.

Anyway, "best" is subjective.  Some people like the idea of the heroic sacrifice, and some people want the protagonist to survive things that no human could survive (like the destruction of a space station without some kind of protection from vacuum).  I don't think this scene makes any more difference than the scene at the end of Halo 3 after beating it on Legendary, or the scene after the credits in X-Men 3.  It's meant to make you go "holy crap!"  It's not meant to be taken as gospel and have people get up in arms about having to play the other half of the game in order to get it.

And seriously, considering how many people despise the endings anyway, this small scene is hardly the most important aspect to get upset about.  If you want to interpret Jarrett's statement as a lie, go right ahead, but strictly speaking, it isn't a lie.

And what the hell is wrong with playing one or two matches in multi-player on the lowest difficulty?  It plays more or less like the single-player anyway, except that your teammates are (usually) worth a damn, so you don't have to do everything yourself.

 
Well, what the hell is wrong with not wanting to play multi-player at all? Or are you one of those people who think “I like something, so it's only logical that everyone else should, too.”?

Nothing, it's acting like you're entitled to a reward for neglecting a significant portion of the game that I have a problem with.

[RiouHotaru]

Yeah, best is horribly subjective. Plus, the change of scene only occurs on ONE ending, and one ending alone. That doesn't make that ending the "optimal" one.

[Iakus]

It's the only one that even hints at Shepard being alive. Therefore it is the "best" ending to many people.

[thunderhawk862002]

Unless you have a PC and look into the coding, Shepard being alive is complete speculation. Everyone takes a breath before they die. Not to mention dying from mortal wounds suffered in combat isn't unheard of. A certain Drell gets mortally wounded and dies, just not right away.