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[Robhuzz]

Jackal7713 wrote...

Really how hard is it to say "yes we are fixing the issues, more to follow."

That would be a promise.

Common PR says you should not confirm nor deny anything. Or say anything meaningfull for that matter. Something BioWare has been rather good at so far.

Modifié par Robhuzz, 29 mars 2012 - 08:15 .

[Mr.House]

I'll only thank them when I see the so called fix ending. The thing that would make me happy is if they just got rid of the end choice all together and Starchild and you know, YOUR CHOICES IMPACTED the ending like Bioware promised.

[sargon1986]

We are whining because we care.

[HappyBuddha99]

Only indoctrination will make sense of the ending

[DarkBladeX98]

futile attempt by a pro-ender to silence the community by claiming he's part of the group "we"

[CasbynessPC]

[Tyrzun]

Mev186 wrote...

We are still "whining" because Bioware is sending some very wrong signals. They keep hinting that any change will seek to "clarify" the ending. The fact of the matter is, the entire ending is broken. If you have to explain why it should work then it doesn't work at all. The entire ending needs to be re-written and re-done.

No, you need to accept the ending you didn't "get" and let go of how angry you are that you didn't get it.

One setence clarfiies the ending totally.  Harbinger knocks you out and text pops on the screen "NONE OF WHAT YOU ARE ABOUT TO SEE IS HAPPENING IN THE REAL WORLD."

So, all of your perceived ployholes mean nothing at all, they were plot holes to try and get you to go ":wait a minute... that's not how it works.  So, you would get what's going on."

Many many many movies and books use the same tool over and over.  Some gets in a crash, or an explosion etc... the screen goes black.... they wake up in different clothes like SHEP does, he's not wearing armor, and then things start happening that don't make sense... then the protagonist realizes things are not right and refuses to believe and wakes up.

The DIFFERENCE is this is your story, they let you just blindly refuse to wake up and beleive the crazy stuff being told to you by your enemy.

If you choose destroy you wake up right where you feel. 

There is nothing more they could have done to make anything more clear than put text on the screen telling you it's all in your mind.  IF they did that, then they would be making the "choice" for you to see the indoctrination or not.

It was brilliant, they just gave people too much credit.  Everyone said they wanted to be deeper and deeper in the THEIR story, yet when Bioware took off the hand rails... and they feel for the indoctrination they are now here complaining about how poorly it was written blah blah blah

I have a legit issue with Bioware.  I want the ending finished like they promised and I want to see how all of my choices mattered at the end.  I will not accept less than what they said we'd get.  Nor am I happy we didn't get the complete ending that is coming where we keep fighitng after we get up after we woke up at the end of ME 3.

[psrz]

"Adressing" is vague at best.
And they said they're not changing it. So we might get codex entries for StarChild and its early adventures as a way providing "more answers and more closure" to some "passionate fans"....

[Renew81]

txgoldrush wrote...

Seriously......

Be grateful they are going to fix the ending. You should be THANKING Bioware, not continue bashing them.

Lets look back.....Fallout 2 was rushed with a third of the game missing and the game a broken mess. It was never fixed. Fans had to fix it. A huge chunk of the game was even restored, including three towns.

Ultima IX was released as not only a busted broken mess, but with plot contradictions millions of times worse than ME3's ending, along with poor general writing. Never got fixed, got an off the record patch, and got  a fan dfialogue mod later.

Arcanum had to be fixed by fans with a restoration mod.

KOTOR II had many plot holes and a very poor ending because it was rushed out the door. LucasArts never let Obsdian fix it, fans had to. It now can stand with or even surpass the first game.

At least, ME3 is going to get an ending fix, unlike those games where fans had to do it.

Shut up and be grateful and stop whining.....

Thank you for putting more fuel on the fire , and insulting people doesnt contribute
anything either , this thread is a fail.<_<

[ShdwFox7]

    As a person who now officially believes in the indoctrination theories one-hundred percent, as many others do, we still have a legit reason to "whine". Actually let me rant about that for a second. I'm getting sick and tired of all this "entitlement" nonsense. Using such words as "whine" and "entitlement" in such derogatory fashions, as if were all spoiled children; is ridiculous. Gamers on average are thirty-seven years old. People like you need to start giving us proper respect, as the adults we are, if we're going to start respecting you in turn.

    Now that that's over I'll continue. So my next question is why would Bioware do this? Why not release the part of the game that explains that if it was all indoctrination with the main game, why cut that out? As people have already said about the "From The Ashes" DLC, it's just wrong for a developer to withhold game content that was intended for the main game. Now whether or not that was true with the Ashes DLC is irrelevant. The point is that it's not right to withhold that kind of content and put a price tag on it later. Especially if it's done with the ending.

    The only "why?" reason I can come up with is simple greed and/or EA's influence. They wanted people to hold on to their copies of the game and buy the DLC or DLCs (that explains all of the ending's oddities). That means less supply on the used games market, and more demand for those used games. Ultimately resulting in a price increase less people are willing to pay. Fits right in with EA's policies about buying used video games. But at the end of the day it's selfish, absolutely selfish. They've seen the PR backlash from this, and they've let their fans rage, rant, and sell their copy of the game for a few weeks now. All the while acting smug about it from a distance. Was it all worth it then? I'd say not.

Modifié par ShdwFox7, 29 mars 2012 - 08:25 .

[alienatedflea]

this vocal minority loves making big deals out of nothing. Its stupid. these people will not be happy no matter what bioware does. Bioware should do whatever they were planning to do (DLC wise) and start focusing on Mass Effect 4. Majority of gamers are happy with the game...even the ending.

[masseffectfan94]

You are the persian

[ShdwFox7]

alienatedflea wrote...

this vocal minority loves making big deals out of nothing. Its stupid. these people will not be happy no matter what bioware does. Bioware should do whatever they were planning to do (DLC wise) and start focusing on Mass Effect 4. Majority of gamers are happy with the game...even the ending.

Prove this please.

Modifié par ShdwFox7, 29 mars 2012 - 08:28 .

[ObserverStatus]

Whining? I am not whining, I am complaining, do you want to hear whining? Thiiiis is whiiiiining:

Ooooh, the endings are all the same! Can't my choices impact it? AAAAHHH the plotholes hurt and it's so corny! Why didn't you proof-read it first? It's all colored exploooooosions and the dlc is too expensive. Why do I have to buy it?

[Nelzeben]

Tyrzun wrote...

Nelzeben wrote...

There are some plot holes you can't just fix by "explaining" them. For example: the crew members you took with you suddenly being on the Normandy. The Normandy fleeing the battle.

I assume they'll come up with some half-assed explanations, ignore the most glaring problems and all that still leaves us with a magical space god whose ludicrous opinion (and that's all his logic is) you can't even challenge.

I'd say most people are waiting for a result before they stop complaining.

That was all in your mind.

Once you accept that you'll see how clear the ending is.  But you refuse... because your not looking for truth.  

YOU can challenge him by saying no the reapers need to die and THEN you wake up back in London.  You obviously were NOT ever on the Citadel.  Seriously...

Ah, yes, indoctrination theory. Look - if you only take the in-game content into account, I completely agree with the theory. But think about things outside the game. What could Bioware possibly hope to achieve by doing this? More importantly, is there any way to make more money this way than if the ending had been brilliant to begin with? Nope. So, it's unlikely this was planned.

[Tyrzun]

Hydralysk wrote...

Tyrzun wrote...

You need to read what I wrote.  You're refusing to see the ending.  The Catalyst is Harbinger.  

Again, all books and movies  that fade to black and come back... leave you major plot holes or character acting out of character to WARN YOU it's not the real world.  Those "plot holes" that the Catalyst makes up were so you could realize AGAIN it was lies, like magically not having your armor on anymore and infinite ammo.  <---- they were your first major clues of "Dorthy, you aren't in Kansas."

Oh god...more indoc theory proponents. Look it's called a theory because there is no clear evidence that it's the ending bioware intended. Until Bioware comes out and says "Oh yeah, you guys figured it out that's totally what happened, here's the rest of the ending" then it's not "refusing to see the ending" it's just "refusing to see the ending the exact same way you do". Until Bioware confirms indoc theory, it holds as much weight as any other fanfic.

It's simply logic.

You are knocked out and you wake up

No plot holes if you resist indoctrination

When you rule out the impossible, whatever is left, however improbable is the answer.

So, instead of believe all the huge plot holes that happen while you are knocked out are there to make you realize that you are knocked out as Bioware showed you, and then you magically changed clothes, and have infinite ammoy... major breaks in the REAL world of Mass Effect... are in fact logically not happening.

You'd rather say Bioware is too stupid to right such a simple ending?  Is that it.  

You refuse to accept the no plot holes answer that is clear because if you choose destroy you DO WAKE UP!  It's the only one where you do wake up!  I'll say it again.  You wake up!  

You can't get more clear.

Now you are saying if Bioware said yes that's what happened... you would what?  Go away?  Be happy?  No.  Nor would any of the other people demanding they change all the "endings" when there is only 1 ending.  You live or you willingly give up to the Reapers.  They aren't here to accept what's going on as simple as it is. 

So, Bioware coming out and saying YES that's what happened wouldn't make any difference to these people.  They've said it themselves.  They'll say you never intended that.... 

Meanwhile, the REAL issue must be addressed.  The only legit complaint.  Getting to see how all of our choices played out to get our FULL ending.  The one we paid for.  They have to finish what happened after Shep gets up.

Him waking up is already in ME 3.  So, people can lie and say Bioware never intended him to wake up... and pretend he doesn't wake up if he chooses correctly all they want, but he does in the game.  I know already they will say Bioware never intended for him to wake up...

The "anger" in this thread isn't based on logic or what is happening in ME 3.  Plot holes are an excuse.  It's a simple matter of people not "liking" it because they didn't get it.  They don't get that Bioware took off the hand rails and didn't let "shep" figure this all out for them.  Mass Effect was about our story and when Bioware took it to another level people couldn't handle it.  Well, some people.

[Zemore]

they are still hoping this just goes away if they just gave in right away it would set a precident where any random thing that people moan about for a period of time should be fixed.

However if we persist for a peroid of time where its proven we think this matters then its more likley they would eventually comply due to it not being just a passing phase.

[Stonesoundjam]

OP:

[ShdwFox7]

Tyrzun wrote...

Hydralysk wrote...

Tyrzun wrote...

You need to read what I wrote.  You're refusing to see the ending.  The Catalyst is Harbinger.  

Again, all books and movies  that fade to black and come back... leave you major plot holes or character acting out of character to WARN YOU it's not the real world.  Those "plot holes" that the Catalyst makes up were so you could realize AGAIN it was lies, like magically not having your armor on anymore and infinite ammo.  <---- they were your first major clues of "Dorthy, you aren't in Kansas."

Oh god...more indoc theory proponents. Look it's called a theory because there is no clear evidence that it's the ending bioware intended. Until Bioware comes out and says "Oh yeah, you guys figured it out that's totally what happened, here's the rest of the ending" then it's not "refusing to see the ending" it's just "refusing to see the ending the exact same way you do". Until Bioware confirms indoc theory, it holds as much weight as any other fanfic.

It's simply logic.

You are knocked out and you wake up

No plot holes if you resist indoctrination

When you rule out the impossible, whatever is left, however improbable is the answer.

So, instead of believe all the huge plot holes that happen while you are knocked out are there to make you realize that you are knocked out as Bioware showed you, and then you magically changed clothes, and have infinite ammoy... major breaks in the REAL world of Mass Effect... are in fact logically not happening.

You'd rather say Bioware is too stupid to right such a simple ending?  Is that it.  

You refuse to accept the no plot holes answer that is clear because if you choose destroy you DO WAKE UP!  It's the only one where you do wake up!  I'll say it again.  You wake up!  

You can't get more clear.

Now you are saying if Bioware said yes that's what happened... you would what?  Go away?  Be happy?  No.  Nor would any of the other people demanding they change all the "endings" when there is only 1 ending.  You live or you willingly give up to the Reapers.  They aren't here to accept what's going on as simple as it is. 

So, Bioware coming out and saying YES that's what happened wouldn't make any difference to these people.  They've said it themselves.  They'll say you never intended that.... 

Meanwhile, the REAL issue must be addressed.  The only legit complaint.  Getting to see how all of our choices played out to get our FULL ending.  The one we paid for.  They have to finish what happened after Shep gets up.

Him waking up is already in ME 3.  So, people can lie and say Bioware never intended him to wake up... and pretend he doesn't wake up if he chooses correctly all they want, but he does in the game.  I know already they will say Bioware never intended for him to wake up...

The "anger" in this thread isn't based on logic or what is happening in ME 3.  Plot holes are an excuse.  It's a simple matter of people not "liking" it because they didn't get it.  They don't get that Bioware took off the hand rails and didn't let "shep" figure this all out for them.  Mass Effect was about our story and when Bioware took it to another level people couldn't handle it.  Well, some people.

Whoa, whoa brother. This is why we believers are getting a bad reputation. Cool it a bit and respect their decision to not believe in it and maybe they'll respect our decision to believe in it.

Modifié par ShdwFox7, 29 mars 2012 - 08:37 .

[FortitudeSon]

We'll see in April when their details are supposed to come out. Until then, it's only beneficial to Bioware that we continue to provide feedback and communicate what we want to see addressed.

[malra]

I will very politely say Thank You to Bioware when they fix a product that was broken on its release or when they do more than release vaguely worded statements. For the record, trying to compare Bethesda and Bioware is really like trying to compare apples and oranges. At this point in the Bioware ladder of business success, Bioware has attained a much greater position of trust and story telling renown than Bethesda had achieved when they released Fallout 2. In fact, I would suggest that Bethesda still has not achieved the Bioware level of trustworthiness or story telling renown, although they are looking better and better. The whole reason Bioware gets kicked so much because of ME3 is because we expected so much more from them.

[alienatedflea]

ShdwFox7 wrote...

alienatedflea wrote...

this vocal minority loves making big deals out of nothing. Its stupid. these people will not be happy no matter what bioware does. Bioware should do whatever they were planning to do (DLC wise) and start focusing on Mass Effect 4. Majority of gamers are happy with the game...even the ending.

Prove this please.

This.  Of the news agencies that have reported on this, all of them have stated in some way that this whole movement is a minority yet this minority forcefully love to say they represent the majority.  If you say you like the game, then the minority trolls the h3ll out of the thread and silences those who oppose them.  Much like the posters accusing the OP as a troll.  It's quite simple really.

[Lietuvis]

We should thank them because they screwed their own game?I mean no offence, but just sounds simply stupid. Ofcourse i'll be thankful, IF they fix the ending, but for now we can do the only thing we can - complain and maybe, just maybe we will be heard.

[Tyrzun]

Nelzeben wrote...

Tyrzun wrote...

Nelzeben wrote...

There are some plot holes you can't just fix by "explaining" them. For example: the crew members you took with you suddenly being on the Normandy. The Normandy fleeing the battle.

I assume they'll come up with some half-assed explanations, ignore the most glaring problems and all that still leaves us with a magical space god whose ludicrous opinion (and that's all his logic is) you can't even challenge.

I'd say most people are waiting for a result before they stop complaining.

That was all in your mind.

Once you accept that you'll see how clear the ending is.  But you refuse... because your not looking for truth.  

YOU can challenge him by saying no the reapers need to die and THEN you wake up back in London.  You obviously were NOT ever on the Citadel.  Seriously...

Ah, yes, indoctrination theory. Look - if you only take the in-game content into account, I completely agree with the theory. But think about things outside the game. What could Bioware possibly hope to achieve by doing this? More importantly, is there any way to make more money this way than if the ending had been brilliant to begin with? Nope. So, it's unlikely this was planned.

Let me get this straight and clear.  I am very angry with Bioware.

I believe it was planned which is why I am furious with Bioware.  I believe they fully inteded to charge us DLC to see the full ending.  They already charged us for From Ashes when it's been proven that the voice work was done for it at the same time as all other squad voice work.  So, it wasn't a last minute addition and indeed was inteded to be part of the main story.  They got greedy and charged us for content that should have been included.  I was really angry about that.

They've done that once with From Ashes so why wouldn't they pull that with the "full" ending?  The ending they said would tie up all loose ends and show us all of our "endings". 16 different endings really isn't that different 8 different yes or no choices equal that.  Rachni live or die etc... 

However, I will NOT pay for this new "full" ending and I will not give them another penny if they try that.  It better be for free because it should have been included from the start.

One guy called my a pro ender I find that very humerous.  My argument is the one that was picked up by Forbes and other media outlets.  Advertising one thing and then not delivering.  People complaining about "taste" aka not liking something is irrelevant.  They've done nothing "wrong" in the eyes of everyone else.  Advertising one thing and not delivering, everyone else sees that as wrong.  So, when you complain based on taste you are not helping the "cause" of getting what we were told we would be getting.  It makes us look rather ill favored.  Which is why I try and give a different perspective of the ending and let anyone that reads these threads know, not all of us are using "taste" as our rational. 

[DJBare]

ShdwFox7 wrote...

alienatedflea wrote...
this vocal minority loves making big deals out of nothing. Its stupid. these people will not be happy no matter what bioware does. Bioware should do whatever they were planning to do (DLC wise) and start focusing on Mass Effect 4. Majority of gamers are happy with the game...even the ending.

Prove this please.

It's bait, we know we are not in the minority, they only need to look at the facebook's for Retake and pro-enders, what was that? pro-enders?, yup, kinda makes my point.