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[Zkyire]

txgoldrush wrote...

Shut up and be grateful and stop whining.....

Whining? I am not whining. I am complaining.

[Atraiyu Wrynn]

ShdwFox7 wrote...

Tyrzun wrote...

Hydralysk wrote...

Tyrzun wrote...

You need to read what I wrote.  You're refusing to see the ending.  The Catalyst is Harbinger.  

Again, all books and movies  that fade to black and come back... leave you major plot holes or character acting out of character to WARN YOU it's not the real world.  Those "plot holes" that the Catalyst makes up were so you could realize AGAIN it was lies, like magically not having your armor on anymore and infinite ammo.  <---- they were your first major clues of "Dorthy, you aren't in Kansas."

Oh god...more indoc theory proponents. Look it's called a theory because there is no clear evidence that it's the ending bioware intended. Until Bioware comes out and says "Oh yeah, you guys figured it out that's totally what happened, here's the rest of the ending" then it's not "refusing to see the ending" it's just "refusing to see the ending the exact same way you do". Until Bioware confirms indoc theory, it holds as much weight as any other fanfic.

It's simply logic.

You are knocked out and you wake up

No plot holes if you resist indoctrination

When you rule out the impossible, whatever is left, however improbable is the answer.

So, instead of believe all the huge plot holes that happen while you are knocked out are there to make you realize that you are knocked out as Bioware showed you, and then you magically changed clothes, and have infinite ammoy... major breaks in the REAL world of Mass Effect... are in fact logically not happening.

You'd rather say Bioware is too stupid to right such a simple ending?  Is that it.  

You refuse to accept the no plot holes answer that is clear because if you choose destroy you DO WAKE UP!  It's the only one where you do wake up!  I'll say it again.  You wake up!  

You can't get more clear.

Now you are saying if Bioware said yes that's what happened... you would what?  Go away?  Be happy?  No.  Nor would any of the other people demanding they change all the "endings" when there is only 1 ending.  You live or you willingly give up to the Reapers.  They aren't here to accept what's going on as simple as it is. 

So, Bioware coming out and saying YES that's what happened wouldn't make any difference to these people.  They've said it themselves.  They'll say you never intended that.... 

Meanwhile, the REAL issue must be addressed.  The only legit complaint.  Getting to see how all of our choices played out to get our FULL ending.  The one we paid for.  They have to finish what happened after Shep gets up.

Him waking up is already in ME 3.  So, people can lie and say Bioware never intended him to wake up... and pretend he doesn't wake up if he chooses correctly all they want, but he does in the game.  I know already they will say Bioware never intended for him to wake up...

The "anger" in this thread isn't based on logic or what is happening in ME 3.  Plot holes are an excuse.  It's a simple matter of people not "liking" it because they didn't get it.  They don't get that Bioware took off the hand rails and didn't let "shep" figure this all out for them.  Mass Effect was about our story and when Bioware took it to another level people couldn't handle it.  Well, some people.

Whoa, whoa brother. This is why we believers are getting a bad reputation. Cool it a bit and respect their decision to not believe in it and maybe they'll respect our decision to believe in it.

Yeah, people who believe in indoctrinaion theory have gotten to the point where anyone who doesn't agree is just an idiot.  An unenlightened fool who is undeserving of Bioware's genuis.  

The writers of this series have never done subtle well.  So I don't believe they could have come up with the subtle hinting that the theory relies on.  It would be nice if I'm proven wrong, but it would also be nice if the believers acknowledged the very real possibility that you are grasping at straws and Bioware screwed the pooch.

[HooblaDGN]

Oh my Lord, no. Look, I've been a Bioware fan for much of my life, but being GRATEFUL because they're MAYBE giving me what I already PAID THEM MONEY FOR? (this being a solid ending piece to the trilogy)

Sure, some of my hope in Bioware may be restored, but I am not grateful toward them. I am a consumer and I pay for their products. They don't give them to me free.

They've already said in Twitter posts that they're not changing the ending, they're simply 'clarifying' or 'expanding.' This gives me hope that Indoc Theory is right, because if it is then you would just be able to add a lengthy climax and epilogue to what's already there.

But I already paid for their game and right now it doesn't really have an ending. So even then, disturbing at least. I don't look forward to a future of games released without their endings for media attention or additional DLC money. This release without an ending is terrifying for the industry.

[Tapkomet]

We are not whining, we are complaining.

[Menalaos1971]

txgoldrush wrote...
Shut up and be grateful and stop whining.....

Bioware hasn't done anything, yet, and from the very few comments laced with insults to their fans, it sounds like all they intend to do is "clarify" the existing ending as if we're too stupid to understand what they were going for.

[HawkOfMay]

txgoldrush wrote...
Seriously......

Be grateful they are going to fix the ending. You should be THANKING Bioware, not continue bashing them.
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Shut up and be grateful and stop whining.....

OP; you are proof that Old School PR tactics still have a chance.

What we have currently is sort of like the meat industry giving us 'lean finely textured beef'.  It is actually machine-seperated, ammonia sprayed, pink slime.   So, until 6 April I'm content to let people who are still finishing the game to have their say.

p.s.

Please read:  
http://social.biowar...4349/1#10084349 

[Nelzeben]

Tyrzun wrote...

Nelzeben wrote...

Tyrzun wrote...

Nelzeben wrote...

There are some plot holes you can't just fix by "explaining" them. For example: the crew members you took with you suddenly being on the Normandy. The Normandy fleeing the battle.

I assume they'll come up with some half-assed explanations, ignore the most glaring problems and all that still leaves us with a magical space god whose ludicrous opinion (and that's all his logic is) you can't even challenge.

I'd say most people are waiting for a result before they stop complaining.

That was all in your mind.

Once you accept that you'll see how clear the ending is.  But you refuse... because your not looking for truth.  

YOU can challenge him by saying no the reapers need to die and THEN you wake up back in London.  You obviously were NOT ever on the Citadel.  Seriously...

Ah, yes, indoctrination theory. Look - if you only take the in-game content into account, I completely agree with the theory. But think about things outside the game. What could Bioware possibly hope to achieve by doing this? More importantly, is there any way to make more money this way than if the ending had been brilliant to begin with? Nope. So, it's unlikely this was planned.

Let me get this straight and clear.  I am very angry with Bioware.

I believe it was planned which is why I am furious with Bioware.  I believe they fully inteded to charge us DLC to see the full ending.  They already charged us for From Ashes when it's been proven that the voice work was done for it at the same time as all other squad voice work.  So, it wasn't a last minute addition and indeed was inteded to be part of the main story.  They got greedy and charged us for content that should have been included.  I was really angry about that.

They've done that once with From Ashes so why wouldn't they pull that with the "full" ending?  The ending they said would tie up all loose ends and show us all of our "endings". 16 different endings really isn't that different 8 different yes or no choices equal that.  Rachni live or die etc... 

However, I will NOT pay for this new "full" ending and I will not give them another penny if they try that.  It better be for free because it should have been included from the start.

One guy called my a pro ender I find that very humerous.  My argument is the one that was picked up by Forbes and other media outlets.  Advertising one thing and then not delivering.  People complaining about "taste" aka not liking something is irrelevant.  They've done nothing "wrong" in the eyes of everyone else.  Advertising one thing and not delivering, everyone else sees that as wrong.  So, when you complain based on taste you are not helping the "cause" of getting what we were told we would be getting.  It makes us look rather ill favored.  Which is why I try and give a different perspective of the ending and let anyone that reads these threads know, not all of us are using "taste" as our rational. 

Hm, I do think I see what you mean, mostly. I agree that I think they'll charge us for the ending DLC and unless it's the holy grail of DLCs, I won't be buying it. I also agree about From Ashes - that was greedy and they only did it because they knew they'd get away with it.

Well, I suppose we'll see what happens. I remain doubtful that they'll be able to salvage this mess, but I hope they'll pull it off somehow.

[ShdwFox7]

alienatedflea wrote...

ShdwFox7 wrote...

alienatedflea wrote...

this vocal minority loves making big deals out of nothing. Its stupid. these people will not be happy no matter what bioware does. Bioware should do whatever they were planning to do (DLC wise) and start focusing on Mass Effect 4. Majority of gamers are happy with the game...even the ending.

Prove this please.

This.  Of the news agencies that have reported on this, all of them have stated in some way that this whole movement is a minority yet this minority forcefully love to say they represent the majority.  If you say you like the game, then the minority trolls the h3ll out of the thread and silences those who oppose them.  Much like the posters accusing the OP as a troll.  It's quite simple really.

    I have yet to see you bring any evidence to the table to support your claims. You claim "all" news stations have said were a minority. I have many articles from across the web, many that don't even regularly report about gaming events, that would suggest otherwise. Not to mention it wouldn't be the first time for a news station either purposely lie or get their facts wrong. Bottom line here is I'm saying at the end of the day you can't prove it, so just agree to disagree and let it go.

[katamuro]

So far they only said they will attend to the ending, they havent said what they will do.

[Kingthlayer]

I won't be thanking them even IF the ending is changed. What I will be doing is slowly allowing BioWare back into my trust circle, if they can then deliver constantly good DLC for Mass Effect 3 then I will preorder Dragon Age 3, and hope that my trust is well placed.

[Manton-X2]

Tacosauced wrote...
The optimism that my brain holds true just couldn't comprehend that so many people were being so mean. I'm sorry if I came out a bit strong in the beginning. I just don't like so many people bashing on them because they created one of my favorite game franchises of all time. Sigh. I just need to focus. I don't even know why I'm saying these things... I'm normally a lurker on forums.

I understand where you're coming from.  There are people here who are WAY over the top.  But I think a lot of the extra strength anger that is coming out is because people do geniunely love this franchise, do genuinely like Bioware and have gotten to know some of the employees here.

I think it's kind of like in real life where if a stranger steals from you you're pissed; but if you find out that a buddy stole from you, someone you trusted, you are livid.  "How the **** are you going to steal from me, man?  We're friends ... you're supposed to have my ******* back!!!  Damn you, man!!!" 


That's kind of how I feel, though the anger isn't at that level.  I trusted Bioware and they stole a great experience away from me.  To this day I remember the "WHOA OH MY GOD " feelings from the ME and ME2 endings:

ME1:  That feeling you get twice in short order when the alien fleets are getting plastered at the Citadel and they're going down and you give that order to save the Destiny Ascension and they switch to the DA bridge and the Asari say something like "Commander, we're picking up reinforcements!  It's the Alliance, thank the Goddess!!" and they start blasting the crap out of the Geth as the music rises hopefully and you're like, "YEA!"  Then the diving run at Soverign by the Normandy for the kill shot and you're like, "YEA!!!!"  And then finally, everything is sad and quiet and the rubble moves and you come running out of the destruction with the music swelling and then you stand their triumphant.  "YEA!!!! My name is Commander Shepard and THIS is my favorite spot on the CItadel."   

ME2: Same thing ... you get to the collector base and take on that damned collector ship that has been ruining your day going way back.  Your decision to get the resources and upgrade your main gun pays off .. "How do you like that, you sons a ****es?!!"  YEA .. bite me!!!  You take out the human form reaper and you start to make your escape after planting the device .. the tumbling platforms ... the music is building .. Harbinger is laying doing his best evil genius riff on you ... your way is cut off, the music builds to a climax and then you make -that- jump just as the music cuts off.   "HELL YEA!!"

Instead in ME3, I get a "WTF!!" ending and I feel completely cheated of my experience and disappointed in Bioware that they thought this was a great way to finish such an amazing series of games.

MX2

[Dartack]

txgoldrush wrote...
Clarifying IS fixing the problem...if things are clarified, the plot holes may be covered. And really, the ending plot holes are CAUSED BY the lack of clarity.

a polished turd is still a turd

[frostajulie]

txgoldrush wrote...

Seriously......

Be grateful they are going to fix the ending. You should be THANKING Bioware, not continue bashing them.

Lets look back.....Fallout 2 was rushed with a third of the game missing and the game a broken mess. It was never fixed. Fans had to fix it. A huge chunk of the game was even restored, including three towns.

Ultima IX was released as not only a busted broken mess, but with plot contradictions millions of times worse than ME3's ending, along with poor general writing. Never got fixed, got an off the record patch, and got  a fan dfialogue mod later.

Arcanum had to be fixed by fans with a restoration mod.

KOTOR II had many plot holes and a very poor ending because it was rushed out the door. LucasArts never let Obsdian fix it, fans had to. It now can stand with or even surpass the first game.

At least, ME3 is going to get an ending fix, unlike those games where fans had to do it.

Shut up and be grateful and stop whining.....

1. they are not fixing it they are "clarifying"  and offering "closure"  A polished turd is still a turd
2.  You shut up
3. I am not thanking a game company for lieing about the game they tricked me into purchasing.
4.  I don't GAF about those other games but I love ME and the universe.
5. What seems like whining to you is a well reasoned angry argument to me and many others.

[STAG IRONHIDE]

Why would we be thankful? The ending should stand alone, ESPECIALLY since it is concluding a trilogy. That ending was pure garbage and ruined the coherence of the series.

How anyone can justify spending $65 for the game, $10 for day-one on the disc DLC and now X amount of money for a real ending? Come on...

You are their favorite type of fan, OP, the one who will defend them and
gladly open their wallet when the DLC train pulls into the station

Modifié par STAG IRONHIDE, 29 mars 2012 - 09:09 .

[SillyNydia]

When you blatantly say that you defend your work and pretty much ignore fan feedback right away based off high critic reviews, forgive me if I don't give you all my trust in anything you have to say.

I'll believe what you say you're doing when you actually deliver on it.

[Valo_Soren]

Because people are impatient, and while they should all shut up and wait til PAX because thats when BIoware will be providing answers for some reason they decide to act like a bunch of whiny children instead.

[STAG IRONHIDE]

Valo_Soren wrote...

Because people are impatient, and while they should all shut up and wait til PAX because thats when BIoware will be providing answers for some reason they decide to act like a bunch of whiny children instead.

The game is already out, anything they say at PAX will be pointless.

[Lyryn22]

As a SP without access to MP was never able to achieve a 4000 readiness rating & Shepard always died. Very much hope BW evens the playing field in any DLC. Even for only a 2 sec gasp, If some MP's Shep lives, my Shepard should live!!
Emotionally, my heart hopes for answers, resolution etc. On a cognitive level, I have little, if any expectation for such.
Never contributed to a Forum prior to ME3. It was therapeutic .
Pretty much went though all 5 stages of ME3 grief and now am playing Skyrim,

[Dranks]

The ending could potentially be amazing if they add and clarify the right stuff.

BIOWARE BY ADD I MEAN ADD A WAY TO KEEP THOSE RELAYS

[Myrmedus]

Most of us simply aren't letting off because we're not sure what they're doing at the moment. There have been lots of words tossed around, conflicting statements etc. we're just reserving judgment until the announcement is made in April.

[julian08]

DJBare wrote...
I'll thank them when I see words turned into results and reality, fair enough?

This.

And I am not whining. I am complaining. (Edit: Yes, someone beat me to it. It's still true damn you!)

Of course I'm glad they admitted that there is a problem.
But so far, every response has been very vague, and we still don't know what they are going to do about the ending. Hell, they probably haven't even decided what they are going to do and are still collecting data. If we stop talking about our issues with the ending now, they might figure that the whole thing has blown over and they don't have to do anything major. I'll keep voicing my concerns until I have more facts about what their plans are.

Modifié par julian08, 29 mars 2012 - 09:38 .

[esideras]

txgoldrush wrote...

Seriously......

Be grateful they are going to fix the ending. You should be THANKING Bioware, not continue bashing them.

Lets look back.....Fallout 2 was rushed with a third of the game missing and the game a broken mess. It was never fixed. Fans had to fix it. A huge chunk of the game was even restored, including three towns.

Ultima IX was released as not only a busted broken mess, but with plot contradictions millions of times worse than ME3's ending, along with poor general writing. Never got fixed, got an off the record patch, and got  a fan dfialogue mod later.

Arcanum had to be fixed by fans with a restoration mod.

KOTOR II had many plot holes and a very poor ending because it was rushed out the door. LucasArts never let Obsdian fix it, fans had to. It now can stand with or even surpass the first game.

At least, ME3 is going to get an ending fix, unlike those games where fans had to do it.

Shut up and be grateful and stop whining.....

So you are aware that the gaming industry is hard to trust? Good. Then you know why people are still mad and confused, and we don't know if they will meet our expectations either. And dunno where the whine is coming from, haven't seen whine in a while. Disscussions and speculation on the other hand, that is what bioware wanted, no?

Question is, why are you whining?

[Namz89]

What, you'd stop complaining if you got a car, with 2 wheels missing, because the maker is so "noble" to put some air in the other two flat ones?

[Helmschmied]

Valo_Soren wrote...

Because people are impatient, and while they should all shut up and wait til PAX because thats when BIoware will be providing answers for some reason they decide to act like a bunch of whiny children instead.

We're not whining. We're just demanding what we were promised, and what we payed good money for.

[Tacosauced]

Manton-X2 wrote...

Instead in ME3, I get a "WTF!!" ending and I feel completely cheated of my experience and disappointed in Bioware that they thought this was a great way to finish such an amazing series of games.

MX2

I understand where you're coming from and I am quite disappointed in BioWare also. I repress my anger and disappointment though and look up to what's to come. I believe BioWare can fix this mess that they've created. I guess not everyone can really see it as I do though, so that's what initially disappointed me about the community. Sigh... I'll just have to accept it then.