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[Adamantium93]

One: Get off your high horse

Two: I'll thank them when we have results.

Three: They aren't changing it.

[gmboy902]

Just because they have said they'll do something with the ending doesn't mean they'll really fix it. Many people are rightfully concerned that it will just be a decoy for them to say "Well, we did something, buy our DLC". They still hide behind the walls of "artistic integrity". Why can't they just admit their flaws? Why not outright admit their ending mistake, like Todd Howard/Bethesda with Fallout 3, or make up for it, like CD Projekt Red with their free upgrade to Enhanced Edition The Witcher 2? Nobody is too big to screw up, nobody is too big to admit they screwed up.

Finally, please learn the difference between whining and petitioning. Most of us are petitioning (continually) because we feel that, as consumers of a good in a capitalist society, we reserve the right to see that we get our money's worth. You are whining because we just won't shut up about it.

[Butcher_of_Torfan]

At best this thread is just more "a true fan should..." fanboy rage at people who dont like something he likes, with a little bit of sucking upto any mods or developers who may read it.

At worst, its trolling. Why are you all bumping this to 7 pages? Seriously

Modifié par Butcher_of_Torfan, 29 mars 2012 - 10:17 .

[Tritium315]

Because words don't mean **** until we actually see what they do. Clarification mean anything from IT being true to the addition of a 5 second cutscene of the Normandy swooping down and picking up your crew.

[Tyrzun]

ShdwFox7 wrote...

alienatedflea wrote...

ShdwFox7 wrote...

alienatedflea wrote...

this vocal minority loves making big deals out of nothing. Its stupid. these people will not be happy no matter what bioware does. Bioware should do whatever they were planning to do (DLC wise) and start focusing on Mass Effect 4. Majority of gamers are happy with the game...even the ending.

Prove this please.

This.  Of the news agencies that have reported on this, all of them have stated in some way that this whole movement is a minority yet this minority forcefully love to say they represent the majority.  If you say you like the game, then the minority trolls the h3ll out of the thread and silences those who oppose them.  Much like the posters accusing the OP as a troll.  It's quite simple really.

    I have yet to see you bring any evidence to the table to support your claims. You claim "all" news stations have said were a minority. I have many articles from across the web, many that don't even regularly report about gaming events, that would suggest otherwise. Not to mention it wouldn't be the first time for a news station either purposely lie or get their facts wrong. Bottom line here is I'm saying at the end of the day you can't prove it, so just agree to disagree and let it go.

No offense bub, but if any of you actual read what's important you could have easily shut that guy down.  WHO cares what the media says?

Any time some rather uninformed person says you are the minority just say this.

Dr. Ray Muzyka said "So, it’s incredibly painful to receive feedback from our core fans that the game’s endings were not up to their expectations."

That's right he called the people that were not happy that their expectations were met the CORE.... read that again... CORE of Bioware.  AKA the foundation.  So, why does it matter if some other person with no opinion that matters says you are the minority?

HOWEVER, Ray is not talking about people complaining about "taste".  He's talking about not meeting expectations.  Those "features" we didn't get were tying up all the loose ends and seeing the effects of our choices.  Such as Rachni live or die etc...  They never "promised" you'd like the ending.  It's preposterous to ever even try to make something everyone likes.

For instance I despise bacon, so your belief that everyone likes bacon or it makes it better was just debunked.  Welcome ot the show.

[durasteel]

I do not want the existing ending to be clarified. It sucks, and more clarification will just make it more obvious that it sucks.

I don't want to be able to smell the dog turd more clearly, I want the dog turd removed and replaced with an ending of comparable quality and consistency to the rest of the game.

That's why I'm not acting "grateful" yet. If you would like, I can clarify that a little more...

[NReed106]

They said they'd clarify, never said they would change them

[Plasma Prestige]

 I've stopped making threads about Bioware needing to change it, but it's not time to thank them. The devil is always in the details, and until we know the price as well as content, this is all just a PR placating mechanism. 

[sistersafetypin]

txgoldrush wrote...

Atraiyu Wrynn wrote...

They are not changing the ending. Please reread Ray's statement.

addressing it...fixed.

Why are we still talking about it? Because we can. Because some of us have bought every game, every dlc, every book: comic or otherwise... And once we reached the ending, we'd kind of wished brain bleach existed

[Alamar2078]

We don't have enough information on what they are planning or not planning to do at this point. Seeing that BW seems to be choosing to wait until after many of the "returnt periods" for the games expire before announcing something concrete is extra frustrating.

[MassEffect762]

On my death bed I'll look back at what I left those I cared about, I'll also think back to how horrible an ending ME3 had.

That's how bad it is imo.

[clarkusdarkus]

why bite the hand that feeds them, im sure at some point someone somewhere will realise the fans are what keep a company relevant. they'll sort us out hopefully, but with dragon age 2, and now mass effect 3, the pressure really is on them to deliver. and the one thing we all can agree on this site is that we all want bioware to deliver so we can continue to play some great games.

[txgoldrush]

frostajulie wrote...

txgoldrush wrote...

Seriously......

Be grateful they are going to fix the ending. You should be THANKING Bioware, not continue bashing them.

Lets look back.....Fallout 2 was rushed with a third of the game missing and the game a broken mess. It was never fixed. Fans had to fix it. A huge chunk of the game was even restored, including three towns.

Ultima IX was released as not only a busted broken mess, but with plot contradictions millions of times worse than ME3's ending, along with poor general writing. Never got fixed, got an off the record patch, and got  a fan dfialogue mod later.

Arcanum had to be fixed by fans with a restoration mod.

KOTOR II had many plot holes and a very poor ending because it was rushed out the door. LucasArts never let Obsdian fix it, fans had to. It now can stand with or even surpass the first game.

At least, ME3 is going to get an ending fix, unlike those games where fans had to do it.

Shut up and be grateful and stop whining.....

1. they are not fixing it they are "clarifying"  and offering "closure"  A polished turd is still a turd
2.  You shut up
3. I am not thanking a game company for lieing about the game they tricked me into purchasing.
4.  I don't GAF about those other games but I love ME and the universe.
5. What seems like whining to you is a well reasoned angry argument to me and many others.

1. Nevermind the endings problem IS A LACK OF CLARIFICATION AND CLOSURE!!!!!!
2. Seem like another whiney fan to me.;
3. Be thankful they are even attempting to fix the problem.
4. Yet people GAF....hell if it wasn't for Ultima THERE WOULD BE NO BIOWARE!!!!! And the FINALE of that series was NEVER fixed.
5. No, you people are whining, continously making topics about how the ending sucks, claiming to be the majority when its not proven to be, wishing the game to fail (it hasn't) to teach Bioware "a lesson".

Really be thankful that Bioware even GAF about fans like you. Many other great artists will tell you to ****** off if you don't like their work.

[txgoldrush]

DJBare wrote...

ShdwFox7 wrote...

alienatedflea wrote...
this vocal minority loves making big deals out of nothing. Its stupid. these people will not be happy no matter what bioware does. Bioware should do whatever they were planning to do (DLC wise) and start focusing on Mass Effect 4. Majority of gamers are happy with the game...even the ending.

Prove this please.

It's bait, we know we are not in the minority, they only need to look at the facebook's for Retake and pro-enders, what was that? pro-enders?, yup, kinda makes my point.

Doesn't prove crap...if we go by the internet, Ron Paul would easily win the presidency.....oh wait, he is not (and I support him and hate everyone else)...because there is more to the situation than the internet.

[KingKhan03]

txgoldrush wrote...

DJBare wrote...

ShdwFox7 wrote...

alienatedflea wrote...
this vocal minority loves making big deals out of nothing. Its stupid. these people will not be happy no matter what bioware does. Bioware should do whatever they were planning to do (DLC wise) and start focusing on Mass Effect 4. Majority of gamers are happy with the game...even the ending.

Prove this please.

It's bait, we know we are not in the minority, they only need to look at the facebook's for Retake and pro-enders, what was that? pro-enders?, yup, kinda makes my point.

Doesn't prove crap...if we go by the internet, Ron Paul would easily win the presidency.....oh wait, he is not (and I support him and hate everyone else)...because there is more to the situation than the internet.

Not whining but waiting until April patiently if they change the ending cool if they don't then the ending remains broken.

[Quietness]

Hi there, your opinions seem loud and outspoken. Where do i subscribe for further literature?

[KingKhan03]

And judging by the title of the thread i'm guessing your posing as a retaker but are really pro-ending.

[leewells]

Actually the head Dev said just 3 days ago (ish) that they were not "changing" anything about the ending, they were just clarifying it.

[kookie28]

I'm only watching from the sidelines until Bioware announces something. But GOD FORBID someone has an issue with their product.

Yes, all hail Bioware. YOU should thank THEM for that 60 dollar purchase. Such entitlement, I swear.

[txgoldrush]

KingKhan03 wrote...

txgoldrush wrote...

DJBare wrote...

ShdwFox7 wrote...

alienatedflea wrote...
this vocal minority loves making big deals out of nothing. Its stupid. these people will not be happy no matter what bioware does. Bioware should do whatever they were planning to do (DLC wise) and start focusing on Mass Effect 4. Majority of gamers are happy with the game...even the ending.

Prove this please.

It's bait, we know we are not in the minority, they only need to look at the facebook's for Retake and pro-enders, what was that? pro-enders?, yup, kinda makes my point.

Doesn't prove crap...if we go by the internet, Ron Paul would easily win the presidency.....oh wait, he is not (and I support him and hate everyone else)...because there is more to the situation than the internet.

Not whining but waiting until April patiently if they change the ending cool if they don't then the ending remains broken.

Why do they need to CHANGE the ending? Its their work and their story. Just because you don't like it doesn't mean its broken.

I think it is broken from mechanical reasons, storytelling flaws, not because of what they tried to portray.

Not clarifying what happens to the crew during the endgame is a problem, seperating them from Shep and stranding them is not. The Catalyst conversation being so rushed that it may open up percieved plotholes is a problem, his presence and role isn't, even his logic isn't a problem....the problem is that it is never debated. Hell, he could have millions of years of examples to fit his view and you have only two.

Bioware seems to be planning to clarify what is happening and provide better closure, they DO NOT NEED TO DO ANYTHING ELSE.

[GigaTheToast]

If you try to mod ME3 Origin bans your account.

[clos]

The official statements have wiggle room wide enough to drive the Normandy through it. I don't trust Bioware PR department at their words anymore, too many lies and false statements.

We are holding the line. We don't trust what they say and we won't until they prove it or lose us as customers.

[txgoldrush]

KingKhan03 wrote...

And judging by the title of the thread i'm guessing your posing as a retaker but are really pro-ending.

or that I am in the smart moderate position where I respect what the storytellers were trying to portray but have a problem with how they portray it.

It seems retakers want a happy ending where their Shep and his or her LI ride of into the galaxy with the mass relays still on, destroying any themes the series had. Bioware is just not going to do this....and the very notion that their has to have a happy ending to make choices matter has been proven false again and again. Hell, The Witcher 2 is going to prove it wrong once again April 17th.

[usmack5]

Hydralysk wrote...

Because they haven't said they're going to fix the ending, despite what media sites have been claiming. Just some vague allusions to 'clarification' and 'closure' which doesn't actually sound like they are fixing the ending issues, just adding a 3 minute epilogue and maybe some deleted scenes.

We want an ending(s) that addresses the glaring plot holes and delivers on the promises made to us prerelease (i.e. vastly different endings that reflect the choices you've made during the series). Until they tell us just what exactly they are doing about this ending debacle then they haven't really told us anything.

^^^ Precisely. Plus, if we cease our constant flow of constructive criticism and pressure from threats to their future $, they will be forced to listen in some way, shape, or form, which at least increases the chances of us getting what was promised to us.

[Whybother]

txgoldrush wrote...

KingKhan03 wrote...

And judging by the title of the thread i'm guessing your posing as a retaker but are really pro-ending.

or that I am in the smart moderate position where I respect what the storytellers were trying to portray but have a problem with how they portray it.

It seems retakers want a happy ending where their Shep and his or her LI ride of into the galaxy with the mass relays still on, destroying any themes the series had. Bioware is just not going to do this....and the very notion that their has to have a happy ending to make choices matter has been proven false again and again. Hell, The Witcher 2 is going to prove it wrong once again April 17th.

Stop with the strawman arguments.  People want an ending that makes coherent sense, it doesn't have to be a "happy" ending.

The ending as created has so many logical inconsistencies ("why can't I just shut the Reapers down but not the Geth? how come I CAN just control the Reapers but not the geth? how does this synthesis thing work?") that it is broken.