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[Manton-X2]

robertm2 wrote...

welcome to bsn people will whine and complain to the bitter end. there was nothing wrong in the first place but a very loud minority can apparently make a huge difference.

Welcome to BSN where people will whine and complain about people whining and complaining and not see the irony.

[Edrick1976]

Because they have lied to use more then once, so why should we believe ANYTHING that anyone from that company has to say now? Thats at least MY reason for still holding the line...

[durasteel]

The whole AI issue is resolved--at least for my paragon--before the ending sequence. This unit has a soul, joker has a girlfriend, the issue has closure. Shepard is not trying to champion the meatbags against the evil toasters. The Reapers are the enemy because they are giant space monsters trying to fornicate the galaxy, not because they are machines.

The ending sequence says to Shepard "You can't save the galaxy, it's gonna get fornicated one way or another. Now I will force you to make a decision on an issue you don't really care much about, because it has already been resolved to your satisfaction."

A few lines of dialog, a few seconds of animation, a few screens of texts... these cannot fix the ending. The ending is broken because it derails the central conflict and replaces it with something else, then forces a choice among "solutions" which make no sense and further disregard and trample the central themes and conflict that has carried Shepard through the trilogy and through the third game.

If you cannot grasp that, let me put it to you a different way. Across three games, BioWare has done a great job of making the conflict personal to Shepard and the player. Virmire makes you hate Sovereign, the collectors make you hate Harbinger. In the third game, you are reminded of and connected to the people and places that you're fighting for, so by the time you reach the ending it isn't even about the Galaxy... it is about Tali's house on Rannoch, it is about Wrex's family, it is about the future of the Krogan and Geth and Rachni as they finally get a chance to overcome the prejudice of the galactic community and join it. There are things that have hope for the future because Shepard has fought to give it to them.

The ending throws all of that away to force you to resolve a conflict that doesn't even matter any more on the pretext of ending the 50,000 year cycle of death.

It is easy to focus on the nonsensical space magic that drives the red/blue/green cinematics, but the real problem with the ending--the part of it that cannot be "clarified" away--is the very basic premise of the ending itself, and the fact that it does not rationally relate to the rest of the games or the trilogy.

If the relays are destroyed, everyone on the Citadel is dead, every allied race's fleet stranded in the Sol system, and all of my crew stranded on Gilligan's Planet, then I really don't give a crap about the reapers. Might as well just let them kill everyone and have done with it.

[Raizo]

Because there has been a lack of clarity and info about what Bioware intend to do about ME3's endings.

[Mbednar]

Why are you whining about us whining?

Sounds like a whiny paradox.

[Icinix]

I don't mean to be devils advocate..well... I do. But I believe the ending not being the ending and having the game continue after the ending we got was planned all along..but anyway.

BioWare have said they will.

They also said the epic community event would see a year round of global activities for all fans. Did not eventuate. (nothing was ever said of it again)
They told us not to sweat because DA2 would not do everything the nay sayers were saying it would. It did. (Even I told people to back off and trust BioWare, man did I feel stoopid.)
They told us ME3 would never have multiplayer. It did. (I think this is fine btw)
They told us Shep would never be homosexual. Shep was. (Thought this should have been in ME from day 1)

Now don't get me wrong, they've done lots they've said they will or won't do as well - BUT - I can understand why people are still at them about it and why so many haven't zipped it.

..and I don't blame them. Until they have something that addresses their concerns - BioWare hasn't done anything yet.

Like I said though - I don't believe they ever intended it to be the final ending - and the players are being pulled through the greatest gaming twist of all time.

Modifié par Icinix, 30 mars 2012 - 08:00 .

[robertm2]

Manton-X2 wrote...

robertm2 wrote...

welcome to bsn people will whine and complain to the bitter end. there was nothing wrong in the first place but a very loud minority can apparently make a huge difference.

Welcome to BSN where people will whine and complain about people whining and complaining and not see the irony.

touche'

[DarthSyphilis59]

another stupid thread whining about other people whining.......

[iSkelzor]

whineception up in this bizzatch

[EsterCloat]

I don't really see us as whining; we're making it known that we find the ending rather incoherent and, in essence, bad and being cautious about how they respond as it's easy to construe it as PR double-speak.

Those who complain about us are whining, especially as they seem to find it necessary to make the same thread over and over again saying how wrong we are to have an opinion and making it known.

Modifié par EsterCloat, 30 mars 2012 - 08:08 .

[Sir Fluffykins]

@robertm2: "Nothing wrong in the first place". So you're perfectly fine not knowing what happened at the end of a trilogy?

Also this is why people are worrying about this "clarify" statement.

I'm waiting and will see what happens in April, which seems very short notice to add anything to the game -one of the reasons I'm worrying.

If this was planned all along and it "brings clarity and closure" I'll apologize and applaud Bioware, if not and we get some meaningless addition, or worse, something like a text release that isn't even apart of the game I'll freak out.

Also keep in mind, if the indoctrination theory is correct, the game never had an ending, so I'm really worrying about that too...

[Necrotron]

They have written they do not intend to 'change' the ending, thusly, the majority of the fanbase is still up in arms.

Either their 'elaboration' will be satisfactory or the starchild will always be remembered as the greatest disappointment in gaming history.

[durasteel]

robertm2 wrote...

welcome to bsn people will whine and complain to the bitter end. there was nothing wrong in the first place but a very loud minority can apparently make a huge difference.

Many people have put a lot of effort into explaining in every concievable way the narrative disfunction of the endings of Mass Effect 3.  There have been pages and pages of well organised, cogent, example-laden discourse in addition to several well-produced and accessible video on this subject.

If at this point in this discussion you seriously cannot acknoledge that there was something wrong with the ending to the game, then it is no longer to anyone's benefit to take you seriously. Even people who claim to like the ending generally acknowledge that it had nonsensical parts.

If you think that the number of people who are dissatisfied with the ending is a minority, you fail at statistics. While it is true that for any given poll or survey the sample size is a fraction of the total number of games sold, an overwhelming majority of those respondents express a negative opinion of the endings.

As with most issues, the majority of the effected population declines to offer an opinion. Extrapolating the opinions that are offred to the population as a whole introduces a margin of error. Negative opinon of the ending exceeds positive by many multiples of the margin of error on every poll or survey I've seen.

Modifié par durasteel, 30 mars 2012 - 08:25 .

[Joccaren]

Until the ending is sufficiently addressed so that its problems are removed, and so that an ending I am happy with can be achieved, I will not stop complaining. As of yet, they are being 'Clarified', which fixes only a couple of issues with it overall. It needs to be added to, and extra options included. Hell, if I had it my way I'd have the entire end sequence rewritten. ATM that is unreasonable though. So until I see this DLC, and that it definitely fixes my problems, I will not stop complaining. There is no reason to stop.

[Skirlasvoud]

txgoldrush wrote...

Seriously......

Be grateful they are going to fix the ending. You should be THANKING Bioware, not continue bashing them.

They haven't comitted to anything yet. They've just claimed that "they were looking into it".

Lets look back.....Fallout 2 was rushed with a third of the game missing and the game a broken mess. It was never fixed. Fans had to fix it. A huge chunk of the game was even restored, including three towns.

Black Isle was a small time developer that went broke. They didn't have the time or effort to patch things up.

Is Bioware a small time developer about to go broke? No?

Besides, even Fallout 2 managed to give us more endings.

Ultima IX was released as not only a busted broken mess, but with plot contradictions millions of times worse than ME3's ending, along with poor general writing. Never got fixed, got an off the record patch, and got  a fan dfialogue mod later.

Because they too got shut down by EA or pushed into a position they weren't able to fix the endings anymore, as they were slowly disassembled.

KOTOR II had many plot holes and a very poor ending because it was rushed out the door. LucasArts never let Obsdian fix it, fans had to. It now can stand with or even surpass the first game.

Right, because the publisher didn't allow them. Because we didn't hold the line. Right now, we have an opportunity to do otherwise.

At least, ME3 is going to get an ending fix, unlike those games where fans had to do it.

Shut up and be grateful and stop whining.....

Yet, they haven't really comitted to anything. We need to vangaurd that these changes are brought in a satisfying way. Not just payed DLC for three more colors.


We are very much still needed. Hold the line!