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[locsphere]

BioWare.... Just doesn't get it. Must be too deep for them. At least they donated them!

[mxfox408]

Well bioware didn't like the lack of choices since no matter what they choose it was the same with the color difference, but glad some kids got them.bioware didn't like the lack of choice

[bkp360]

GoblinSapper wrote...

And here was Biowares response.

Today, we received the 400 cupcakes you collectively sent us through your donations to express your feelings about the endings of Mass Effect 3. We want you to know; we are indeed listening to all fan response and acknowledge your feedback. We appreciate creative and thoughtful attempts like this one.

The gesture certainly gained our attention both with its creativity and deliciousness. However, while we do appreciate that fans were creative in how they expressed their views, after a lot of discussion, we decided ultimately the reason that they were sent was not done in the context of celebrating the work or accomplishment of the Mass Effect 3 team. This is a subtle, but important aspect in determining how to pass the feedback to the team.

BioWare regularly works with many deserving charities, as such it was decided that rather than passing out the cupcakes to staff or wasting good food, to donate them on behalf of our fans to a local Edmonton youth shelter. We know that for the kids that have to use this facility, something as simple as a cupcake is a rare treat and would definitely brighten up their day. Thank you to the fine folks at the local youth shelter for accepting the donation and to the fans who donated the cupcakes.

Please keep providing your feedback on Mass Effect 3, we’re still listening.

THEY TURNED THE CUPCAKES AWAY.

Actually I think this was a class act move.  Hard to eat a cupcake which is really an insult.  But rather than throw them away they used them for a good cause.  In this case it was win/win.  Now if BW treats the customers with as much care and class we may be OK.

[Godlysnack]

Jagri wrote...

I think irony would be a rather delicious word at the moment.

Bioware was given three choices...
Blue, Red, or Green and guess what!
They picked a fourth option.

Now Bioware all we ask is for our fourth option...

[bkp360]

The Angry One wrote...

Paulomedi wrote...

They're right not to accept it. It's a reminder of dissatisfaction, not a nice treat to them.

Great that you donated it Bioware folks. Kudos to you.

However, by choosing an option other than the 3 presented to them, they disregarded our desire to end this event the way we wanted and infringed upon our artistic integrity.

Nice.  good one.

[MeganHunter]

I was never actually angry like a lot of the posters I've seen. Irrational as it might be, I hadn't gotten earnestly mad at anything until I heard about the cupcake refusal. I'm trying to see where they're coming from, but the notion that the cupcakes are inherently mean-spirited just doesn't hold any water with me. Who doesn't like cupcakes? I read what Chris wrote originally and a later post, so I get his reasons. But yeah, still very angry about the cupcakes.

It just feels like if they wanted to put their foot down about one of these things, there's plenty on these forums or articles/blogs online that are actually deserving. Doing it to the cupcakes just sounds petty, even if it isn't.

Modifié par MeganHunter, 30 mars 2012 - 04:09 .

[ThePasserby]

Eterna5 wrote...

ThePasserby wrote...

Community manager Chris Priestly posted the following statement on BioWare's forums:
 However, while we do appreciate that fans were creative in how they expressed their views, after a lot of discussion, we decided ultimately the reason that they were sent was not done in the context of celebrating the work or accomplishment of the Mass Effect 3 team. This is a subtle, but important aspect in determining how to pass the feedback to the team.

It's clear that Bioware can't take what it dishes out. But more importantly, I am greatly perturbed by the sentence in bold. Does Bioware seriously think that they are entitled to feedback that are prefaced with "I love your game! And here is how I think it'll make it even better: ... "

So, on the one hand they denigrate us, their customers, as being too simple-minded to "get" their "artsy" and "profound" ending, but they expect us to treat them with kids' gloves when we tell them our opinion of the ending? Are they children who can't appreciate criticism, even when it is presented in a humourous form?

 No, they don't want hundreads of cupcakes showing up on their steps in such a derogatory manner. It's not the cupcakes they don't like, it's the message behind and the ultimately immature reason for them being sent. 

You do realise I'm not talking about the cupcakes, right? It's their response to the message that belies their claim that they're listening. And it's not derogatory. It is a playful criticism of the game they made.

Modifié par ThePasserby, 30 mars 2012 - 04:14 .

[cutegigi]

what?
they create the 3 color ending. They should be happy with the three color cake. 
what they want ? 16 color cake ???

Modifié par cutegigi, 30 mars 2012 - 04:09 .

[lordofdogtown19]

Balmung31 wrote...

lordofdogtown19 wrote...

 omg did anyone else see the last picture in the article with the note attached to it? 

 http://media1.gamein...upcakes6104.jpg 

It's so ****ing hilarious 

Okay, now I see why they wouldn't accept.  That IS a thinly-veiled insult. 

Still, now they know how it feels.  As cruel as that may be, that IS how I felt with the ending. 

If Bioware doesn't like being insulted, don't insult the fans.  Simple, no? 

While it's an insult, it's a tasty one. 

But seriously, not surprised they didn't accept them. Glad they gave them to a good cause instead of throwing them away. Very classy move. Now use some of that class and fix the endings.........plz?

[mxfox408]

Well looks like they took the same answer we did, give those three same choices the finger.

[Darthlawsuit]

Billabong2011 wrote...

I wish I could respect Bioware's decision to donate them to those children.
While I'm over the moon that those kids were the ones receiving such nice treats, I feel it was a defensive action on Bioware's part to deflect our "creative/thoughtful" attempt at bringing their attention to the endings and, in essence, trying to compensate for rewriting them instead by being charitable. Essentially, they have 'gained the upper hand.'
I mean, am I the only one who thinks Bioware's decision is pretty see-through?

It is obvious to anyone that thinks stuff through. To people that don't use their brain as much they see it as donating to charity.

[Ender99]

I've recuperated from the fact that they rejected our cupcakes. It still irks me a little, but I can be satisfied by the fact that they did get the message. Plus it went to a child's charity. It's kinda hard to be mad about that.

What feels like a slap in the face though, is this last line Priestly said:

Please keep providing your feedback on Mass Effect 3, we’re still listening.

We know they've been on the forums, we know they've read our posts. Which means they know how much we're making fun of and getting frustrated by those "we're listening" comments. Yet he still tacked it on there. Now that makes me angry.

[Shinobu]

omskman wrote...

I wish I could give the endings to a charity.

You want to make disadvantaged kids suicidal?!

Seriously, though, I bet most of the employees were sad not to get cupcakes. They understood it wasn't mean-spirited. It did go to a good cause, though, so not a total loss.

Not liking the PR spin of the response.
"Thank you for your satirical cupcakes. Do not send us more. We are listening. Even though our employees would have liked the cupcakes, we don't allow them to accept anything that points out faults in our product. But we are listening. No, really."

Makes me more worried about what will happen at PAX.

[Balmung31]

Darthlawsuit wrote...

Billabong2011 wrote...

I wish I could respect Bioware's decision to donate them to those children.
While I'm over the moon that those kids were the ones receiving such nice treats, I feel it was a defensive action on Bioware's part to deflect our "creative/thoughtful" attempt at bringing their attention to the endings and, in essence, trying to compensate for rewriting them instead by being charitable. Essentially, they have 'gained the upper hand.'
I mean, am I the only one who thinks Bioware's decision is pretty see-through?

It is obvious to anyone that thinks stuff through. To people that don't use their brain as much they see it as donating to charity.

The same could be said of the Retake movement by the other side. 

I'd be careful about bashing on Bioware too much for this, since the obvious retort would be the Child's Play charity and the motives behind it. 

It's far better to see this as Bioware admitting defeat with their own ending(s) logic.  You don't like the options presented?  Do something else entirely from what was presented.  Something HOPEFUL. 

It's Bioware that needs to be careful on how they proceed with this ending stuff now.  The evidence is in that they themselves will not accept an insulting gesture, no matter how "colorful" it is. 

Neither will we. 

Modifié par Balmung31, 30 mars 2012 - 04:27 .

[KadivyaSky]

sean10mm wrote...

Bioware didn't want to pick from A, B, or C either!

This.

[lucidfox]

GoblinSapper wrote...

This is Art. You can't argue with the Bakers artistic integrity.

[Reptilian Rob]

Great job everyone, proud of us!

Also, don't let Bioware be party poopers.

[Spanking Machine]

I'm one of the people who donated money for the cupcakes, and I'm totally fine with Bioware giving them to kids. My purpose was to send a snarky message while doing something nice, and both of those goals were met. I just hope Bioware realizes we aren't their enemies in this; we're only fighting so hard because we love Mass Effect so much.

[Chakuura]

I bet those kids thought it was ****ty that they looked different but were ultimately the same.

It was good of Bioware to donate them I guess, as long as they got the message.

[Billabong2011]

Balmung31 wrote...

Darthlawsuit wrote...

Billabong2011 wrote...

I wish I could respect Bioware's decision to donate them to those children.
While I'm over the moon that those kids were the ones receiving such nice treats, I feel it was a defensive action on Bioware's part to deflect our "creative/thoughtful" attempt at bringing their attention to the endings and, in essence, trying to compensate for rewriting them instead by being charitable. Essentially, they have 'gained the upper hand.'
I mean, am I the only one who thinks Bioware's decision is pretty see-through?

It is obvious to anyone that thinks stuff through. To people that don't use their brain as much they see it as donating to charity.

The same could be said of the Retake movement by the other side. 

I'd be careful about bashing on Bioware too much for this, since the obvious retort would be the Child's Play charity and the motives behind it. 

It's far better to see this as Bioware admitting defeat with their own ending(s) logic.  You don't like the options presented?  Do something else entirely from what was presented.  Something HOPEFUL. 

It's Bioware that needs to be careful on how they proceed with this ending stuff now.  The evidence is in that they themselves will not accept an insulting gesture, no matter how "colorful" it is. 

Neither will we. 

I agree with you.
Not once did I ever try to justify the Retake/Child's play movement.
Does that mean I still didn't contribute? Of course I did - I've continued to donate myself to Child's Play because it's a wonderful cause.
I merely find it hypocritical that the movement was so self-righteously put down, only to be reenacted not a week later.

[lucidfox]

CaptinDuckPants wrote...

Community manager Chris Priestly posted the following statement on BioWare's forums:

<...> However, while we do appreciate that fans were creative in how they expressed their views, after a lot of discussion, we decided ultimately the reason that they were sent was not done in the context of celebrating the work or accomplishment of the Mass Effect 3 team. This is a subtle, but important aspect in determining how to pass the feedback to the team.
BioWare regularly works with many deserving charities, as such it was decided that rather than passing out the cupcakes to staff or wasting good food, to donate them on behalf of our fans to a local Edmonton youth shelter.

Translation from PR-speak to plain English: "We're too proud to accept donations that are really a snarky jab at our brilliant artistic ending".

[Sublime82]

Guess the cupcakes were a little too bittersweet.

[Aznable Char]

From the other thread :

Aznable Char wrote...

I propose a follow up cupcake campaign:

1. We donate all of these cupcakes to a shelter somewhere or an orphanage , what have you
2. it's another 1000 dollar quick campaign
3. We promise the kids 16 different flavours
4. We ACTUALLY GIVE THE KIDS 16 DIFFERENT FLAVOURS

BioWare did a good thing by giving their cupcakes away . But just like they did to us , they gave away the same flavour cupcakes .

Why don't we show them that this is what it feels like when kids receive 16 different flavours to choose from ?

Win for the kids
Win for Retake

And the message of Retake with this one is not "oh hey , we are giving to charity look at us"

It's "Look at how much 16 different flavours is really so much better and we're SHOWING that by feeding kids for free"

Therefore the message will have NOTHING to do with a 'game should have a new ending !' but rather "hey kids , would you rather have 1 flavour or 16' ?

 

[theBurgerface]

Speculation for everyone?