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[KreeCapt]

Farbautisonn wrote...

Im past caring about the game or the franchise really. I think its bleeding out before our eyes.

Im "holding the line" to keep Bioware to their words and their promises (or lack of same).

This.

What's a shame is that I was a huge supporter of the franchise to expand and go into other mediums, new stories etc etc. Now, who cares.

[Jaulen]

Dridengx wrote...

MaestroX101 wrote...

 It seems many people have their own "right" reason for holding the line. What do you think is the REAL purpose for this Retake movement?

I enjoy how you emphasize on 'right' as if to say its only right in their minds and not in a literal sense. What do I think the 'real' purpose of Retake is. I think its a poorly structured group of kids who are desperately trying everything in their power to use hate and threats to get their way. Least, that's how they have been expressing themselves over the media and their posts. They all seem to have different agendas personally but carry the same banner which is to say they are all in agreement OR they simply don't care about their members just the sheer size of their group as a whole to throw their weight around to seem more 'powerful' so they simply cannot be dismissed or labeled minorities which they are.

Obviously you havent been involved in the RetakeME3 movement, or really had any interaction with the Retake group. We seem to be pretty decently structured, and police ourselves when it's called for.

I havent seen any hate or threats from the Retake group, and I'm on there daily.

I'm not a child or a kid. I'm 39. I'm also not stupid. I have a masters degree in Hydrology, and an bachelor of science degree in Geology. 

Plus, when is giving consumers 'choice' bad. You like the endings, fine. Keep them, any 'fix' to the endings probably won't be mandatory to satisfy the seemingly 10 to 15% of the people that were okay with them. But when ~85% of your customer base is upset, you screwed up...and it's not the way to stay in business. Personally, I want Bioware to stay in business and keep making games. 

I hold the line since I think the ending and the pure mind-bending that needs to be done to ignore all the plot holes or other issues with the edning, was a poor service rendered to a very strong storyline and some much beloved characters.

Modifié par Jaulen, 30 mars 2012 - 12:52 .

[TheRealJayDee]

aLucidMind wrote...

To get an ending that actually has closure and narrative cohesion with the rest of the trilogy.

This!

[MegaSovereign]

I don't.

Never really saw the ending hate as rational. Probably never will.

[AJRimmsey]

Jaulen wrote...


I'm not a child or a kid. I'm 39. I'm also not stupid. I have a masters degree in Hydrology, and an bachelor of science degree in Geology. 

and you joined a group who is crying about the ending of a video game ?

and you dont think its stupid ?

39 ?

so you remember the zx spectrum days ...and you joined a group for a game ending ?

your parents must be so proud,but i suspect they dont know 

[BiancoAngelo7]

BeefoTheBold wrote...

Metalunatic wrote...

My uneducated guess would be to get a better ending.

Yeah, this.

*scratches head*

Trick question by OP?

Sure sounds like it...I'm with Metalunatic though.

[mybudgee]

Because I really like lines...
Also, in B4 the lock!

[kbct]

AJRimmsey wrote...

and you joined a group who is crying about the ending of a video game ?

and you dont think its stupid ?

You realize you're posting on a game forum? At least we're trying to affect change.

[Spectre_Shepard]

so that 5 years of hope aren't wasted

[AJRimmsey]

kbct wrote...

AJRimmsey wrote...

and you joined a group who is crying about the ending of a video game ?

and you dont think its stupid ?

You realize you're posting on a game forum? At least we're trying to affect change.

you REALLY havent thought what changes this will bring ?

instead of a blinkered view of getting another ending,you really REALLY need to think what else is going to happen because of all this.

try and think of biowares side and what they will HAVE to avoid in any future games.

so entitled and selfish you all simply forgot to take into account what bioware will do from now on.

and you wont be able to moan or complain about what happens in the future.

BECAUSE YOU CAUSED IT.

[Dridengx]

aLucidMind wrote...

Some have, not the entire group like you make it sound. Every group has it's idiots and every group has it's mature ones, even the "pro-ending" group; and generalizing everyone only makes you come off as one of the idiots on your side. And where is your proof that they're the "minority"?

I'm not on anyone's side, make no mistake. I never joined any group. I'm a fan of Bioware and I love their games. I enjoyed ME3, and I think Retake is silly. That puts me in a group? really? I'm an idiot because I body everyone who tries to argue with me? I have yet to see anyone on Retake who can properly defend their cause without name calling or acting like a child.

You want proof? What exactly will you do with it? I've posted numerous times facts and all Retake does is disgard it, ignore it, run around in circles and keep bringing up a poll of 52k votes as proof to defend themselves. hardly proof when Jessica Merizan calls you 9% and Ray Muzyka calls you a minority. hell every major publication is calling you vocal minorities. I don't need to provide anything to you actually, you have to prove to the world you are not at this point

Modifié par Dridengx, 30 mars 2012 - 01:12 .

[BeefoTheBold]

AJRimmsey wrote...

kbct wrote...

AJRimmsey wrote...

and you joined a group who is crying about the ending of a video game ?

and you dont think its stupid ?

You realize you're posting on a game forum? At least we're trying to affect change.

you REALLY havent thought what changes this will bring ?

instead of a blinkered view of getting another ending,you really REALLY need to think what else is going to happen because of all this.

try and think of biowares side and what they will HAVE to avoid in any future games.

so entitled and selfish you all simply forgot to take into account what bioware will do from now on.

and you wont be able to moan or complain about what happens in the future.

BECAUSE YOU CAUSED IT.

*scratches head*

They'll have to avoid making promises about things and not delivering? What future devastation are people who are, for the most part politely (certainly more politely than the people with your viewpoint in this thread) expressing their dissatisfaction with a small part of an expensive luxury good causing?

Modifié par BeefoTheBold, 30 mars 2012 - 01:12 .

[Jaulen]

Let's see, I'm also a real late comer to the ME series....I just started playing in January. So I'm not some rabid fanboi screaming for blood. 

Change? What change do I want to affect? I want Bioware to THINK about their story line endings, and actually write something decent and worthwhile. If this was a book, I'd probably never buy another one from that author....I might get their next book from the library. If it was a movie director, I wouldn't go see any more of their movies, might rent it, but wouldn't see it in the theater.

Unfortunately for me, and maybe Bioware, is that they use the internet a lot for interaction and feedback from their fans, and that's my preferred way of interacting with businesses now. It says something about what I think about their products to actually take the time to get involved and voice my displeasure instead of becoming one of those 'has been customers'. [edit: added] You know...because of my age, and my job....I have $ to burn on products I like and with companies I like.

And I have no clue what zx spectrum days are.

It's also telling that I'm being more polite than you.

Modifié par Jaulen, 30 mars 2012 - 01:18 .

[kbct]

AJRimmsey wrote...

kbct wrote...

AJRimmsey wrote...

and you joined a group who is crying about the ending of a video game ?

and you dont think its stupid ?

You realize you're posting on a game forum? At least we're trying to affect change.

you REALLY havent thought what changes this will bring ?

So what will these changes bring?

[DeinonSlayer]

aLucidMind wrote...

AJRimmsey wrote...

you REALLY havent thought what changes this will bring ?

instead of a blinkered view of getting another ending,you really REALLY need to think what else is going to happen because of all this.

try and think of biowares side and what they will HAVE to avoid in any future games.

so entitled and selfish you all simply forgot to take into account what bioware will do from now on.

and you wont be able to moan or complain about what happens in the future.

BECAUSE YOU CAUSED IT.

Literally the only thing they will need to do is not screw up the narrative cohesion of the story. If you see other things that they will need to do that has nothing to do with that, express them without acting like you're somehow more mature than others because you do not complain about something you like or do not complain about what you dislike.

And it is not selfish behavior to want an ending that isn't ruined by so many rookie mistakes.

It's always hilarious watching a high-and-mighty "mature" pro-ender condescend to the rest of us with appalling grammar...

Think what you want of me for it: I hold the line for the characters we've been groomed to care about from the beginning. They're our link to the universe Bioware put together, and by the end of the second game, my motivation to keep going was to see my people safely through to the end. They deserve better than this.

Modifié par DeinonSlayer, 30 mars 2012 - 01:17 .

[kbct]

DeinonSlayer wrote...

It's always hilarious watching a high-and-mighty "mature" pro-ender condescend to the rest of us with appalling grammar...

And they just don't have the good sense to stop either.

[AJRimmsey]

DeinonSlayer wrote...

aLucidMind wrote...

AJRimmsey wrote...

you REALLY havent thought what changes this will bring ?

instead of a blinkered view of getting another ending,you really REALLY need to think what else is going to happen because of all this.

try and think of biowares side and what they will HAVE to avoid in any future games.

so entitled and selfish you all simply forgot to take into account what bioware will do from now on.

and you wont be able to moan or complain about what happens in the future.

BECAUSE YOU CAUSED IT.

Literally the only thing they will need to do is not screw up the narrative cohesion of the story. If you see other things that they will need to do that has nothing to do with that, express them without acting like you're somehow more mature than others because you do not complain about something you like or do not complain about what you dislike.

And it is not selfish behavior to want an ending that isn't ruined by so many rookie mistakes.

It's always hilarious watching a high-and-mighty "mature" pro-ender condescend to the rest of us with appalling grammar...

Think what you want of me for it: I hold the line for the characters we've been groomed to care about from the beginning. They're our link to the universe Bioware put together, and by the end of the second game, my motivation to keep going was to see my people safely through to the end. They deserve better than this.

pro ender ?
i am no pro ender,i played a game,and it ended

maybe this is the problem,mistaken a video game ending for a life changing experience.

if you and others are fixated on a video game,then maybe its just too unhealthy a pastime for some people.
but after seeing harry potter freaks spend 3 days sat in the rain and dog shyte to buy a book i do understand reality and fiction have become blurred for some.

so when i say "its just a game"..you see it as a major part of your life.

and i find that really peculiar

[BadlyBrowned]

Holding the line because I refuse to be nickel and dimed by game developers and publishers. I expect a complete and unbroken product when I purchase it.

[DeinonSlayer]

AJRimmsey wrote...

DeinonSlayer wrote...

It's always hilarious watching a high-and-mighty "mature" pro-ender condescend to the rest of us with appalling grammar...

Think what you want of me for it: I hold the line for the characters we've been groomed to care about from the beginning. They're our link to the universe Bioware put together, and by the end of the second game, my motivation to keep going was to see my people safely through to the end. They deserve better than this.

pro ender ?
i am no pro ender,i played a game,and it ended

maybe this is the problem,mistaken a video game ending for a life changing experience.

if you and others are fixated on a video game,then maybe its just too unhealthy a pastime for some people.
but after seeing harry potter freaks spend 3 days sat in the rain and dog shyte to buy a book i do understand reality and fiction have become blurred for some.

so when i say "its just a game"..you see it as a major part of your life.

and i find that really peculiar

You'll invest around 200 hours in a complete playthrough for a single character. I was working on my second. Some people have, literally, dozens. I bought the DLC for the previous titles. At the end, I feel cheated. Is that good enough for you?

Modifié par DeinonSlayer, 30 mars 2012 - 01:43 .

[Legion64]

Because I want an ending where my Shepard's sacrifice is not in vain. BRING BACK THE MASS RELAYS!

[daecath]

That right there. This should be a classic. It should go down in history as one of the best works of fiction in quite a while. It should inspire a lasting movement that rivals even Star Wars. And they were so close. Yeah, it has it's problems, nothing is perfect, but across all 3 games, what they did well, they did brilliantly, and what they did not so well, for the most part could be overlooked pretty easily. And then that ending....

I want an ending worthy of this franchise. I want an ending worthy of this company, an ending that reflects what we know they can do. I want endings that will evoke powerful emotions because of the story itself, not because of how awful they are. This should conclude the way the rest of the games have gone - with choices and consequences ranging from uplifting, inspiring, and joyful; all the way to dark, bleak, and sorrowful; and everything in between.

I don't know what happened here (ok, let's be honest, yEAh we do), but whatever happened, it was an effort that wasn't worthy of their loyal fans, and it was an effort that wasn't worthy of them as a company. Yeah, they took one on the chin, but now it's time to get back up and do what we know they can do.