...because the bulk of Mass Effect was so incredibly well-conceived* and executed, to have an ending that undermines and undoes it all so utterly is just such a terrible waste. Mass Effect really deserves better - much better.
*to the point that it really has transcended being 'just' a video game - when people talk about great sci-fi universes that are well-written, thought-provoking and imaginatively fleshed-out, people bring up Star Trek, Star Wars, Battlestar Galactica, etc. ...and Mass Effect. It's earned that reputation. And if holding the line goes some way to prevent a bad judgment call from the creative team sinking the proverbial ship, then it's entirely worthwhile, IMO.
Why do YOU hold the line?
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Posté 30 mars 2012 - 01:45
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Likely not, his logic seems to be: "Got a complaint about the game? Must have no life".DeinonSlayer wrote...
You'll invest around 200 hours in a complete playthrough for a single character. I was working on my second. Some people have, literally, dozens. I bought the DLC for the previous titles. At the end, I feel cheated. Is that good enough for you?AJRimmsey wrote...
DeinonSlayer wrote...
It's always hilarious watching a high-and-mighty "mature" pro-ender condescend to the rest of us with appalling grammar...
Think what you want of me for it: I hold the line for the characters we've been groomed to care about from the beginning. They're our link to the universe Bioware put together, and by the end of the second game, my motivation to keep going was to see my people safely through to the end. They deserve better than this.
pro ender ?
i am no pro ender,i played a game,and it ended
maybe this is the problem,mistaken a video game ending for a life changing experience.
if you and others are fixated on a video game,then maybe its just too unhealthy a pastime for some people.
but after seeing harry potter freaks spend 3 days sat in the rain and dog shyte to buy a book i do understand reality and fiction have become blurred for some.
so when i say "its just a game"..you see it as a major part of your life.
and i find that really peculiar
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Posté 30 mars 2012 - 01:47
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I hold the line because I have come to care about the ME universe after three games and I want to see the trilogy end on a note worthy of its greatness. Plus, I'm simply still mad at BW for even releasing such a poor excuse for an ending and destroying any extended universe for Mass Effect.
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Posté 30 mars 2012 - 01:48
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To get a better ending and/or a better closure for Shepard and everyone else. Haven't replayed anything that bears the name Mass Effect ever since I got the awful endings.
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Posté 30 mars 2012 - 01:48
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Yeah... we've all been getting that from the beginning.aLucidMind wrote...
Likely not, his logic seems to be: "Got a complaint about the game? Must have no life".DeinonSlayer wrote...
You'll invest around 200 hours in a complete playthrough for a single character. I was working on my second. Some people have, literally, dozens. I bought the DLC for the previous titles. At the end, I feel cheated. Is that good enough for you?
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Posté 30 mars 2012 - 01:57
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Because I don't want to lose my place or I'll have to go all the way to the back again just to get a burger........ oh wait, what are we talking about?
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Posté 30 mars 2012 - 02:06
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because the story was good enough to deserve a worthy ending, you know one that actually fits in with the rest of the story and makes sense.
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Posté 30 mars 2012 - 02:07
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Thetri wrote...
because Captain Kirrahe said so
Best. Answer. Ever.
It's funny how a simple question and spark so much anger. Hold. The. Line. Being "pro-ending" as it's cool to call it I guess, I find a lot of responses interesting. The obvious common ground is for a new/altered ending, but some feel the need for more than just an ending. Some believe that they didn't get what was deserved, or some feel that the game was broken (which even a pro-ender cannot deny that there are portions of the game that are broken *coughfaceimportcough*).
But what's also noticeable is the fact that there are anti-ender's too stubborn to look at the other side of the matter. If anyone gives an opinion on why they liked the ending, they're quick to say they don't know what they're talking about. It's a double standard. People that didn't like the ending are free to say whatever the hell they want, but when someone that did like it explains why, their thread is flooded with hate and such. I won't lie, there are pro-enders that do the same to anti-enders.
Can't we all just...get along? Give peace a chance?
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Posté 30 mars 2012 - 02:10
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You know, if it were a bad product, I would be ok. But it's more than that. Those who say it shouldn't be changed, they make the argument that it's art. And they're right. It is art. Which is why we're so passionate about it. Art is supposed to be a life changing experience. You're supposed to internalize it. If you can make a connection with it, then good art does have the power to change you. To inspire you to be better, or to show you something you might never have seen, or to prompt you to take action, or to make you think about something in a way you've never thought before, or to make you feel something, or in many other different ways.DeinonSlayer wrote...
You'll invest around 200 hours in a complete playthrough for a single character. I was working on my second. Some people have, literally, dozens. I bought the DLC for the previous titles. At the end, I feel cheated. Is that good enough for you?AJRimmsey wrote...
maybe this is the problem,mistaken a video game ending for a life changing experience.
if you and others are fixated on a video game,then maybe its just too unhealthy a pastime for some people.
but after seeing harry potter freaks spend 3 days sat in the rain and dog shyte to buy a book i do understand reality and fiction have become blurred for some.
so when i say "its just a game"..you see it as a major part of your life.
and i find that really peculiar
The line between fact and fiction should be blurry. Fiction should be a distorted reflection of our reality - what it is, how we got there, and what it can be. And when it makes an impact, it does become part of our life. "I have a dream" is art. "the only thing we have to fear is fear itself" is art. "We hold these truths to be self evident..." is art. Think of how many expressions we have that come from great works of art.
So yes, I'm passionate about this game. I want it to be better not because I feel like I got ripped off by an incomplete product, but because I see the potential for this to become something great, one of the first great mythologies, one of the first great epic tales, for this generation, and in this new, powerful media.
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Posté 30 mars 2012 - 02:11
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I don't.
In fact, I'm quite pissed that such an awesome part of Mass Effect 1 has been ruined by association with angry people shouting it at every opportunity in every thread. It used to be cool.
I should start a "Retake Hold The Line" movement.
In fact, I'm quite pissed that such an awesome part of Mass Effect 1 has been ruined by association with angry people shouting it at every opportunity in every thread. It used to be cool.
I should start a "Retake Hold The Line" movement.
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Posté 30 mars 2012 - 02:11
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Because Mass Effect, specially Mass Effect 3 deserves more than going out on a whimp
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Posté 30 mars 2012 - 02:13
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I hold the Line because fans do matter
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Posté 30 mars 2012 - 02:14
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Hoping they give us a better ending.
Yep, that's it.
Yep, that's it.
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Posté 30 mars 2012 - 02:19
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Because Mass Effect didn't deserve to get "Matrix'd", and have a terrible ending ruin the series. And because the fact that I'll be getting Xenoblade in just over a week is proof that holding the line works.
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Posté 30 mars 2012 - 02:20
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I "Hold the Line" because if I present any type of Pro-Bioware or Pro-Mass Effect opinion, I get hate messages sent to my account saying things like, "eat sh*t and die you c***sucking Biobot. Thanks angry user who just opened an account to send me that message.
Plus, the endings left way too much open, the plotholes are crazy deep.
Plus, the endings left way too much open, the plotholes are crazy deep.
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Posté 30 mars 2012 - 02:21
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AJRimmsey wrote...
long winded reasons abound.
the truth is they have nothing better to do.
i mean if they cant see the stupidity in all this just over an ending to a video game you cant expect them to turn thier attention 180 degrees and see what they are actually crying over.
its been nothing but rude and ignorant from day 1.
no wonder theres so many therapists these days,all trying to combat selfish entitlment issues.
Looks like some people have problem with democratie here. : )
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Posté 30 mars 2012 - 02:22
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TJ_Mullet wrote...
Because the series didn't deserve to get "Matrix'd", and have a terrible ending ruin the series. And because the fact that I'll be getting Xenoblade in just over a week is proof that holding the line works.
So with that in mind, why wasn't anything like this done with the Matrix? Or with any other game/movie trilogies that didn't end the way the fans wanted it to? What makes Mass Effect a special case?
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Posté 30 mars 2012 - 02:22
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I am tired of EA dictating their ways onto subsidiaries, but if you try harming anything, harm them in another way which wont hurt Bioware, like stop buying freaking Sports games every year, be content with Madden 2011 and just stop..... new rosters aren't worth 60 bucks.
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Posté 30 mars 2012 - 02:28
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Movies don't have DLCMaestroX101 wrote...
TJ_Mullet wrote...
Because the series didn't deserve to get "Matrix'd", and have a terrible ending ruin the series. And because the fact that I'll be getting Xenoblade in just over a week is proof that holding the line works.
So with that in mind, why wasn't anything like this done with the Matrix? Or with any other game/movie trilogies that didn't end the way the fans wanted it to? What makes Mass Effect a special case?
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Posté 30 mars 2012 - 02:29
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aLucidMind wrote...
Movies don't have DLCMaestroX101 wrote...
TJ_Mullet wrote...
Because the series didn't deserve to get "Matrix'd", and have a terrible ending ruin the series. And because the fact that I'll be getting Xenoblade in just over a week is proof that holding the line works.
So with that in mind, why wasn't anything like this done with the Matrix? Or with any other game/movie trilogies that didn't end the way the fans wanted it to? What makes Mass Effect a special case?
...no further questions. lolEdit: Although, you could count the Animatrix as something similar to DLC
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Posté 30 mars 2012 - 02:30
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MaestroX101 wrote...
TJ_Mullet wrote...
Because the series didn't deserve to get "Matrix'd", and have a terrible ending ruin the series. And because the fact that I'll be getting Xenoblade in just over a week is proof that holding the line works.
So with that in mind, why wasn't anything like this done with the Matrix? Or with any other game/movie trilogies that didn't end the way the fans wanted it to? What makes Mass Effect a special case?
Well Mass Effect 3 promoted its endings in advertisements and interviews that didn't match up with the product. Some like the Rachni quote aren't even close to being true. Which is funny since it was made after the game had gone gold.
We had great expectations for Mass Effect 3 that were fueled by the information put out by the developer. People may have hated the second and third films in the Matrix series but it wasn't promoted in a way that gave its fans the wrong idea. Plus the second one was bad, not just the third one.
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Posté 30 mars 2012 - 02:31
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MaestroX101 wrote...
So with that in mind, why wasn't anything like this done with the Matrix?
Hold The Line wasn't invented yet.
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Posté 30 mars 2012 - 02:33
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MaestroX101 wrote...
TJ_Mullet wrote...
Because the series didn't deserve to get "Matrix'd", and have a terrible ending ruin the series. And because the fact that I'll be getting Xenoblade in just over a week is proof that holding the line works.
So with that in mind, why wasn't anything like this done with the Matrix? Or with any other game/movie trilogies that didn't end the way the fans wanted it to? What makes Mass Effect a special case?
That's a really good question. I'm firmly on the side of wanting it changed, but I've never seen anything like this, and couldn't really explain why it's affected me this much. Why do you think it is, that ME is such a special case?
