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[MartialArtsMaster]

You know all those guides on "how to get the quarians and geth to make peace," and they all say your chances are smaller if you rewrite the geth but you get more war assets if you still manage to achieve peace?

Based on one of my own playthroughs it turns out that's not accurate. You actually get (at least in total) the same amount of war assets even if you destroyed the geth, it's just that the heretic geth don't detract from the quarian score in that case.

Here's how it works: If you rewrite the heretic geth (Paragon decision), the Geth Fleet gets a single score boost of +150, but the Quarian Heavy Fleet, Quarian Civilian Fleet, and Quarian Patrol Fleet each get a detraction of -50 each, for a total of -150.

If you destroy the heretic geth (Renegade decision), the Geth Fleet gets a single score detraction of -150, but each of the three quarian fleet gets a boost of +50 each, for a total of +150.

So, for those of you Renegades who don't want to be screwed out of your war assets and are happy that destroying the heretics makes peace a more viable option, this should come as a relief.

[O______O]

Your chances are smaller at making peace if you rewrite the Geth. By destroying them you gain 2 "peace points" and rewriting them gains you zero. If you rewrite the Geth then you need to get every single peace point possible in ME3 to make peace.

Thats what people mean by your chances are smaller. Destroy the Geth, don't get Tali exiled, and suddenly you only need 1 peace point.

Modifié par O______O, 29 mars 2012 - 09:14 .

[Mr. Big Pimpin]

It's nice to know that there's a choice for which renegade is the easily superior option.

[MartialArtsMaster]

Mr. Big Pimpin wrote...

It's nice to know that there's a choice for which renegade is the easily superior option.

I tend to lean towards Paragon myself, but I should probably inform you that there are actually more Renegade choices that are the better options.

For example, it's better to kill Rana Thanoptis all the way back in ME1 so she doesn't appear in ME2. Otherwise you get an e-mail in ME3 that she became indoctrinated and killed several asari (this won't actually impact your War Asset, it just happens to be a bad outcome).

Furthermore, getting Kelly to change her identity rather than promising to be back to see her is the better choice.

Also, while curing the genophage is much better if Wrex is in charge, if Wreav is in charge the superior option is to leave the sabotage unfixed, since Wreav won't take away any krogan assets, doesn't give you any advantages, and you can get the 150 Salarian 1st Fleet.

And don't forget saving the Collector Base is better than destroying it, you get a 110 Reaper Brain if you Renegade save the base, while only a 100 Reaper Heart if you Paragon destroy the base.

Modifié par MartialArtsMaster, 29 mars 2012 - 09:31 .

[Ravennus]

.....aaaaand if you play multiplayer, you can fairly easily promote multiple classes resulting in a boost of 75 war assets each time.

I'm sitting at +300 now, and I didn't even try (just wanted to respec some builds).
After this weekend, I'll likely have promoted all 6 classes at least once, giving me another 450.

That's 750 right there... damn, that's more than some of the races total values in ME3. O.o


Sorry for going slightly off topic.... it just kind of amuses me.
And it helps if you don't want to worry about making every 'right' decision to maximize your score.

Though really.... so far it really doesn't amount to much in the end. But we'll see what happens in April!


EDIT:  The 10 point loss in destroying the collector base is pathetic, honestly.  So much for it having a big impact on ME3......

Modifié par Ravennus, 29 mars 2012 - 09:48 .

[GIVic05]

destroying the geth was the Paragon decision ad rewrite was Renegade one, ou got them upside down.

[emblemsage]

GIVic05 wrote...

destroying the geth was the Paragon decision ad rewrite was Renegade one, ou got them upside down.

No destroying is Renegade, I got +30 ren. points for it.

[Orthodox Infidel]

In that case, the only choice you get penalized for is choosing not to do Legion's loyalty mission at all, and simultaneously not achieving peace. Or for choosing the side that doesn't win the bonus points if you did Legion's mission.

[MartialArtsMaster]

Ravennus wrote...

.....aaaaand if you play multiplayer, you can fairly easily promote multiple classes resulting in a boost of 75 war assets each time.

I'm sitting at +300 now, and I didn't even try (just wanted to respec some builds).
After this weekend, I'll likely have promoted all 6 classes at least once, giving me another 450.

That's 750 right there... damn, that's more than some of the races total values in ME3. O.o


Sorry for going slightly off topic.... it just kind of amuses me.
And it helps if you don't want to worry about making every 'right' decision to maximize your score.

Though really.... so far it really doesn't amount to much in the end. But we'll see what happens in April!


EDIT:  The 10 point loss in destroying the collector base is pathetic, honestly.  So much for it having a big impact on ME3......

I apologize if I was unclear, Ravennus; those were just the Renegade choices I could think of off the top of my head as I was writing them.

There are a lot more "superior choices that turn out to be Renegade," but a lot of them are in Mass Effect 3 itself, rather than in ME1 or ME2 itself.

Example #1: After you complete the Admiral Koris mission, Admirals Tali and Xen have an argument. I don't remember what the argument is about exactly, but I think it's about the relative merits of Xen diverting Patrol Fleets to do something nice, which is what Tali wants, or instead using them to discover more research, which is what Xen wants (again, I'm not sure I'm remembering this correctly). You get +2 Paragon for supporting Tali, and +2 Renegade for supporting Xen. But you don't gain any other advantages for supporting Tali, while supporting Xen gets you a War Asset boost.

Example #2: At the end of the Grissom Academy mission, you can recommend the students take a support role or form an attacking company. Paragon has them supporting 103rd Marine Division, while Renegade has them form a separate "Biotic Company" War Asset. But Biotic Company is numerically worth more than the boost to 103rd Marine Division a supporting group would give.

Example #3: When you come across Angry C-Sec Officer and Patient C-Sec Officer arguing, the Renegade decision is to agree with the Angry one...but that gets you a Citadel Defense Force score increase since they tighten up their security.

Modifié par MartialArtsMaster, 30 mars 2012 - 01:09 .

[MegumiAzusa]

I didn't even know that it isn't just based on Reputation... I beat up the one Quarian and switched between paragon and renegade answers as I saw fit and got the peace oO

[psychocandy]

the renegade option in ME 2 was to give Legion to Cerberus, thus making peace impossible and having to fight legion @ TIM's base

[Gnoster]

Ravennus wrote...

.....aaaaand if you play multiplayer, you can fairly easily promote multiple classes resulting in a boost of 75 war assets each time.

I apologize for going offtopic, but is these points permanent?

[MartialArtsMaster]

Gnoster wrote...

Ravennus wrote...

.....aaaaand if you play multiplayer, you can fairly easily promote multiple classes resulting in a boost of 75 war assets each time.

I apologize for going offtopic, but is these points permanent?

Yes. I've only promoted 1 character, but all of my saves (at least the ones I began after that promotion) now have that N7 Special Ops 75 War Asset.

[MadCat221]

O______O wrote...

Your chances are smaller at making peace if you rewrite the Geth. By destroying them you gain 2 "peace points" and rewriting them gains you zero. If you rewrite the Geth then you need to get every single peace point possible in ME3 to make peace.

Thats what people mean by your chances are smaller. Destroy the Geth, don't get Tali exiled, and suddenly you only need 1 peace point.

Actually... Destroy the heretics, Exonerate Tali, and resolve the Tali / Legion loyalty conflict on the spot (paragon only?  Or renegade too?) and you then need none.  If you hate Koris, you can leave him to die (though that really hurts the Civilian Fleet).

Also, as to which of Destroy/Rewrite gives you more assets...  I think it's about even.  It affects the Geth Fleet, and each of the Quarian Fleets.  Rewrite = Geth Fleet + 150, Quarian Fleets = -50 each (total of -150).  Destroy?  Geth fleet = -150, Quarians = +50 each (total of +150).  So if you achieve peace... it doesn't really matter.

Modifié par MadCat221, 30 mars 2012 - 03:31 .

[Chokladglass]

*Sigh* I wanted to create peace so badly. I can't figure out what I've done wrong.

According to the point system people have been talking about, I should have enough "peace points". Does the real Legion have to be alive? I've heard people say no, but I'm not so sure.

Tali is exiled, but from what I've heard that isn't a dealbreaker. My reputation meter is maxed (1 part renegade, 4 parts paragon). I honestly don't know what to do except blindly replay from before the suicide mission in ME2. That's 44 hours of gaming lost.