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[Getorex]

Il Divo wrote...

The ending was somewhat decent. I've never really been a fan of the hero death "fakeout", so it didn't really catch on to me.

Virtually any and all endings are cliche.  There is no such thing as a new or unique ending. 

There are only so many tricks to play.

The hero/heroic death sacrifice ending is done to death (pun intended) too...cliche.

[What a Succulent Ass]

secretagentbw wrote...

Does anyone feel that the graphics (with the characters especially) in ME1 & ME2 were better than they are in ME3? I remember playing ME1 and even my sisters who don't play video games were were impressed with the graphics. ME2 was pretty good as well, but for some reason the characters in ME3 seem especially fake to me. Particularly that reporter Diana Allers, but even the returning characters don't seem as realistic as they did in the original... Or maybe it was just because that was the first game?

I think you're conflating graphics and aesthetics. Graphically, ME3 is far superior to the previous instalments. Aesthetically, I'd say ME2 wins. ME3 can be just exceptionally ugly, especially NPCs. Everyone looks slightly dead.

[amp1236]

Drew Karpshyn was lead writer of Mass Effect 1.
I consider him this generation's George Lucas.

He didn't help with Mass Effect 3, and it shows.
We will miss you Drew!

[Il Divo]

Getorex wrote...

Il Divo wrote...

The ending was somewhat decent. I've never really been a fan of the hero death "fakeout", so it didn't really catch on to me.

Virtually any and all endings are cliche.  There is no such thing as a new or unique ending. 

There are only so many tricks to play.

The hero/heroic death sacrifice ending is done to death (pun intended) too...cliche.

I didn't say that my dislike of the ME1 ending had to do with it being a cliche`. I just don't enjoy that particular brand of cliche`.

Modifié par Il Divo, 30 mars 2012 - 03:43 .

[Spectre_Shepard]

ME1 story was amazing.

ME2 gameplsy was amazing.

ME3 almost topped both... then it didn't.

[Deflagratio]

I liked Mass Effect 2's focus on character more. The gap is nearly negligible, though.

I don't like to justify Mass Effect 2 over ME1 by sake of Gameplay, because even though the combat was tighter, we lost a lot in the transition too (Lots of RPG/Character differentiation) so I say they're about even, but just vastly different.

[Acidrain92]

Spectre_Shepard wrote...

ME1 story was amazing.

ME2 gameplsy was amazing.

ME3 almost topped both... then it didn't.

this. And actually it did top both. The storytelling in ME3 is a lot better than the storytelling in ME1 and 2...until the ending that is.

Overall, its a better game than ME1 and ME2 though. Aside from that stupid ass journal <.<

Modifié par Acidrain92, 30 mars 2012 - 04:20 .

[Han Shot First]

I think Mass Effect 3 had a stronger story than Mass Effect 1. That is, until the last 5 minutes of the game. From then on it just all sort of all went downhill. I think that is also part of the reason why the fallout over the endings has been so loud and protracted. For a lot of gamers it was sort of like climbing to the summit of Mt Everest, only to tumble off the side before getting to enjoy the view.

Overall I'd give Mass Effect 1 the edge, since the writers managed the hold the whole thing together from start to finish, but I can't help but feel disappointed that ME3 was almost the best game in the series. It had the best gameplay, but what had been an amazing story unravelled in the last few minutes.

Modifié par Han Shot First, 30 mars 2012 - 05:06 .

[Euno17]

Han Shot First wrote...

I think Mass Effect 3 had a stronger story than Mass Effect 1. That is, until the last 5 minutes of the game. From then on it just all sort of all went downhill. I think that is also part of the reason why the fallout over the endings has been so loud and protracted. For a lot of gamers it was sort of like climbing to the summit of Mt Everest, only to tumble off the side before getting to enjoy the view.

Overall I'd give Mass Effect 1 the edge, since the writers managed the hold the whole thing together from start to finish, but I can't help but feel disappointed that ME3 was almost the best game in the series. It had the best gameplay, but what had been an amazing story unravelled in the last few minutes.

WHAT??? That is blasphemous!  ME-3 had a STRONGER story then ME-1??? WHAT!!!!!

Please, please tell me why you think somehow in DETAILED FORM (save for the last five minutes of ME-3) you thought ME-3 had a stronger story.

Good-luck with that. Seriously - I WANT to see you attempt.

Lmao - ME-1 had the best story hands down. HAND's DOWN. (How is ME-3 even in the conversation here?) IF you say ME-3 had the best story - feel free to replay ME-1 because you clearly forgot the pacing and just how good ME-1's story was. The fact you had so much more control over the conversations is what made the story for me.

How many times did you feel like something awesome was happening in ME-1? fifty million times? The first mission when you find your training spectre officer dead and Saren trying to escape maybe?  Or when you found the first prothean beacon?  or when you become the first human spectre? There are so many awesome moments in ME-1!

Sovereign is by far the best Reaper (with the best lines). Everything about ME-1's story is great. Saren being a renegade Spectre and you hunting him down.

Saren was by far the best mini-boss/encounters you face in the trilogy (Don't get me started on the Assasin arc of the ME-3 story - that was so forced it was pathetic. I was pissed off at how many times he 'magically' wins. What a poorly done mini-boss/character.).

You also fight a Matriarch in ME-1 (and also save or kill a Rachni Queen) a thorian . . . you have prothean beacons to uncover (which worked so much better then those stupid dreams in ME-3). Saren also tries to 'control' the Krogan and build his own army . . .

Lets not forget the ending to ME-1. You oepning up the relay to let the 5th fleet in - man what a feeling.

Everything about ME-1's story was all leading down a single path - to bring down Saren (or stop him - either one) and it worked so damn well. Saren was a great enemy opposite of Shepard.

How many 'exciting' or 'thrilling' moments did you have in ME-3? I had a 'few' but it was far between. Perhaps Tali's mission. Hmm, The Battle for Earth wasn't even that great, I admit for a few moments during the inital 'victory-fleet' scene I felt awesome but other then that . . .

[Lord Phoebus]

My problem with ME1's story was that it followed the BioWare formula to the letter, linear start, visit several hubs, then have a linear slog through to the end, coupled with a plot twist around the start of the slog that was predictable from the start. I found ME1 really derivative of Bio's earlier stuff to the point of being lazy. I don't know if it's because after playing NWN (where that formula was used for the first three acts), KotOR and JE by the time ME came around I was tired of it. It just struck me as KotOR reset in a new IP. The bad gameplay didn't help either.

If you weren't familiar with BioWare's earlier stuff I could see how people would like it.

Modifié par Lord Phoebus, 30 mars 2012 - 06:37 .

[Embrosil]

tehturian wrote...

 All I can say is...what an ending. This is perhaps the 6th or 7th time I've completed it however I still get shivers down my spine when I see Shepherd emerging from the rubble with a smirk. It's a shame that the other Mass effect games couldn't capture that "f yeah" emotion. 

Yup, I finished ME1 for the 10th time a week ago. The end is excellent. The arrival of the mighty Alliance fleet, saving the Ascension, perfect. Simply perfect. I still can not believe how we got from such an excellent ending to such crappy one in ME3.

[Rorschachinstein]

ME2 was the best in the series. Good combat and intense story.

[Acidrain92]

Euno17 wrote...

How many 'exciting' or 'thrilling' moments did you have in ME-3? I had a 'few' but it was far between. Perhaps Tali's mission. Hmm, The Battle for Earth wasn't even that great, I admit for a few moments during the inital 'victory-fleet' scene I felt awesome but other then that . . .

Im sorry, what? Fighting on Palaven's moon and going up against the Brutes for the first time as Reapers thunder in the background and a bleeding Palaven overlooks everything? Finding the ruins in Tuchanka, the giant thresher maw taking down the reaper as it tries to crush you? The mission at the monestary and fighting the banshees for the first time, which is seriously intense and creepy. Finally bringing peace between the Geth and the Quarians/CURING THE GENOPHAGE. BRINGING TALI BACK TO HER HOME PLANET???

Not to mention what could have happened if you let Tali die/betrayed mordin/betrayed Wrex only for him to try to kill you on the citadel. And there is that whole thing with Thane saving you by sacrificing himself. Not to mention the Rachni mission in THIS game which was just as great.

There are so many epic story moments that happen before the ending in Mass Effect 3 that have been built up for two games. I admit Mass Effect 1 had really awesome moments with Saren. Everything was very mysterious, and that was the whole appeal of the game. But still, ME3 trumps its story in a lot of ways.

Modifié par Acidrain92, 30 mars 2012 - 06:45 .

[Cainne Chapel]

ME1 story was good, very good, but it also had the advantage of being the first game int he series where everything is new and fresh

ME2 I felt was decent story wise but it focused more on characters and thus they all became more fleshed out and background information was cranked up more than in ME1

ME3 I felt had a LOT of great epic moments and Shepard was central in the turn around of a LOT of species, curing the genophage, ending the quarian exile, making peace with the geth (and all the other little permutations from previous games that can change those outcomes) were some of the best in the series.

So while i feel ME3 had the best stories in a lot of ways (being the culmination of two games worth of build up) I also felt the ending kinda let everything down as i'm one who wants to know what happened to everyone (ending left a lot of questions more than answers... which shouldnt happen at the END of the series).

But I cant rate one game higher than the other, especially considering each ones builds upon the foundation of the one before it. So all 3 have a great story to me.

[Verethele]

Shepard's conversation with Sovereign, I mourn thee.

[DaJe]

The final hours in ME1 are the most emotionally involving, breathtaking and well paced in the series.

Alone the intro of ME3 shows that that they try hard but just can't hit the spot and thus have one of the most important moments in the franchise feel kinda lackluster, simply below expectations.

[mybudgee]

ME1>ME2>Hunger games movie>Dumb & Dumber>ME3

[Acidrain92]

DaJe wrote...

The final hours in ME1 are the most emotionally involving, breathtaking and well paced in the series.

Alone the intro of ME3 shows that that they try hard but just can't hit the spot and thus have one of the most important moments in the franchise feel kinda lackluster, simply below expectations.

The intro to ME3 and the ending are the worst parts of ME3 and do not reflect the game as a whole.

[Crilloan]

tehturian wrote...

I actually grew to like the Mass Effect combat, I preferred the more tactical element of it rather than the go in rambo style of Mass Effect 2 and 3.

That is an important distinction.
I found ME combat to be much more tactical and I used my squad much more than Ive done on #2 and #3, which are more of a glorified "gun-and-run"
C

[DJBare]

Rorschachinstein wrote...

ME2 was the best in the series. Good combat and intense story.

Opinion, but yes, I preferred ME2, but it was more about interactivity with the world and it's denizens, I still greatly enjoy ME1 but it has an awkwardness about it that I find a little difficult to ignore.

[Litefire]

Spectre_Shepard wrote...

ME1 story was amazing.

ME2 gameplsy was amazing.

ME3 almost topped both... then it didn't.

would pretty much agree with this,  ME3 had me completely enthralled easily rivaled the story of ME1, contained the better combat from me2 without the klunky factor of constantly pressing shift to order squad mates around.  And then we get to the ending, which fell flat on it's face.     If the ending was at least as epic as the Everyone dies on collectors mission + explosion then the game would have easily been the best in the series.. But without that level of ending. it's becomes the worst in the series and drags the entire series down.

[Cainne Chapel]

Crilloan wrote...

tehturian wrote...

I actually grew to like the Mass Effect combat, I preferred the more tactical element of it rather than the go in rambo style of Mass Effect 2 and 3.

That is an important distinction.
I found ME combat to be much more tactical and I used my squad much more than Ive done on #2 and #3, which are more of a glorified "gun-and-run"
C

Interesting you'd say that.  I find cover much more of a neccessity in ME2 and ME3 over ME1 in which I was virtually unstoppable past level 20.

Problem with ME1 is that the combat doesn't scale, once you hit a certain point, you are virtually impossible to kill and only need one biotic to pretty much lock down a whole base.

Thus I found tactical use of powers and power combining more useful and needed in ME2 and ME3 over ME1 which my shepard alone could run rough shod over any and all combatants.

Even then, still not seeing the whole "Tactical" approach in ME1.  I mean come on, you can take out creatures meant for the mako/tank on foot and you could literally mod a weapon to never overheat thus allowing you virtual unlimited ammo, not very much tactical approach in a "God Mode".

That said, Sometimes I do miss the overpowered squad of ME1

[Embrosil]

Rorschachinstein wrote...

ME2 was the best in the series. Good combat and intense story.

Umm, no, the story is the most stupid I have ever seen.

[Spaghetti_Ninja]

ME2 was the best in the series character-wise, story-wise, AND gameplay wise.

I honestly don't get all the love for the ME1 ending. It was only special because the rest of the game was pretty drab and uneventful, besides meeting Sovereign on Virmire.

ME1 ending was fairly good and felt epic. ME2 felt epic ALL THE WAY THROUGH and ME3 even overdid it a little.

[Spaghetti_Ninja]

Acidrain92 wrote...

Euno17 wrote...

How many 'exciting' or 'thrilling' moments did you have in ME-3? I had a 'few' but it was far between. Perhaps Tali's mission. Hmm, The Battle for Earth wasn't even that great, I admit for a few moments during the inital 'victory-fleet' scene I felt awesome but other then that . . .

Im sorry, what? Fighting on Palaven's moon and going up against the Brutes for the first time as Reapers thunder in the background and a bleeding Palaven overlooks everything? Finding the ruins in Tuchanka, the giant thresher maw taking down the reaper as it tries to crush you? The mission at the monestary and fighting the banshees for the first time, which is seriously intense and creepy. Finally bringing peace between the Geth and the Quarians/CURING THE GENOPHAGE. BRINGING TALI BACK TO HER HOME PLANET???

I agree with this 100%. People probably like ME1 because it of sentimentality, but objectively, the two sequels have it beat in every department, including story and ending.

In ME1, you stand around motionless listening to Tali droning on about the fleet and what Quarians are.

In ME2, you actually visit her people and have an adventure.

In ME3, you attempt to take back their planet and decide the fate of their entire species AND that of the Geth.

Modifié par Spaghetti_Ninja, 30 mars 2012 - 08:25 .