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[dajohu83]

OK, I did a forum search for info on Traynor and didn't see anything that mentioned ths but here goes.  Every time I've went to the Citadel on 4 separate playthroughs (2 male, 2 female) Samantha Traynor has never even once been there. 

Is this intentional?  If so, I find it quite odd.  Cortez, your shuttle pilot shows up, Joker, your invalid pilot of the Normandy is there, as is EDI the actual freaking ship (more or less) but Traynor is forced to stay aboard?

 I'm hoping this was just an oversight and not intentional because otherwise it really sucks. 

Obviously, after you recruit Chakwas she doesn't show up either nor do the human engineers but since Traynor is a potential romance option it just feels odd that she never goes to the Citadel when every other romanceable character does. 

Even Liara, the freaking Shadow Broker takes some time off now and then to just chill out on the Presidium.

Any thoughts or ideas as to why this is would be appreciated.

Thanks!

Modifié par dajohu83, 29 mars 2012 - 11:13 .

[Apathy1989]

It would be nice to find out that its a bug, and she had scenes in the citadel.

[zombitologist]

Probably because it wasn't necessary.

[prizm123]

well, you have to sort of prod Esteban to go to the Citadel in the first place, but he also has a reason to go

[Sporothrix]

Yeah, she's the only romance option that has no scene on Citadel which really cheapens it. Also a fact that she has much lesser amount of dialogue than any other romanceable character doesn't help.

So, for lesbians, when it comes to real romances, not some written on a knee short flings, there is only Liara (but Casey Hudson specifically said that romance of FemShep with her is not lesbian). So much for Bioware's care about equal treatment of same sex romances...

Modifié par misoretu9, 04 avril 2012 - 01:38 .

[Mentxi]

No citadel? True, but she also has more dialogs/scene (I don't know how to call it...) in the Normandy than, for example, Kaidan (my LI). As mshep I really feel like I'm talking with Sam all the time and she is not even a romance option for him.

[LelianaHawke]

So, for lesbians, when it comes to real romances, not some written on a knee short flings, there is only Liara (but Casey Hudson specifically said that romance of FemShep with her is not lesbian). So much for Bioware's care about equal treatment of same sex romances...

There's Kelly. I don't count Kelly as a 'fling'. You tell each other you love each other and talk about your life after the war.

Modifié par LelianaHawke, 04 avril 2012 - 02:08 .

[Sporothrix]

Jumbocactus wrote...

No citadel? True, but she also has more dialogs/scene (I don't know how to call it...) in the Normandy than, for example, Kaidan (my LI). As mshep I really feel like I'm talking with Sam all the time and she is not even a romance option for him.

Yeah, she informs you about your mails and other secretary's duty stuff. When it comes to personal conversations, there's only two, and it's the same no matter if you are male or female or want to romance her or not, aside of one last line. And actually, if you romance her, you get LESS dialogue, as it skips her (a bit) character depth bulding chess scene and goes directly to tasteless shower sex.

I've seen Kaidan romance on YT so I absolutely disagree with you. And even when compared to Cortez (which Sam is direct counterpart), I really felt like I had more of a relationship with him than with Sam, as there were much more dialogues and emotional bonding, while Sam = very few and very shallow conversations about nothing and then suddenly out of nowhere sex and we're supposed to believe it's romance.

 

LelianaHawke wrote...
There's Kelly. I don't count Kelly as a 'fling'. You tell each other you love each other and talk about your life after the war. 

So just because she says that she loves you make it full-fledged romance option, even though it has less of everything (dialogues and even lack of any particular scene)?

Modifié par misoretu9, 04 avril 2012 - 02:48 .

[TheAwesomologist]

Tali only appears on the citadel twice, and you can miss one of them if you don't go to the citadel during the Rannoch portion of the story. Garrus spends a lot of time at the docks. James, Liara, Joker, and EDI, are always on the Citadel taking shore leave. Javik only goes once as well.

In general, with the Citadel being the only hub in the game you would think they would have utilized it a little more. Makes me miss Omega and Illium.

[Forevergray]

She's self conscious about her bad breath, not having her toothbrush and all, so she stays on board?

[draken-heart]

^ nah, Sam is just busy flagging messages analyzing data and gathering war asset information for the Computer in the war room for you to see how you are doing in getting help for earth. combine that with the fact that EDI is busy with keeping the Ship from being killed by pirates (Sam actually does not want to burden EDI with non-ship preservation issues) and you can see why she does not get out much. that and i think she rarely got out during her time at Oxford.

@misoretu9: let me guess the lack of  actual Dialogue and no Citadel date scene what makes Samantha worse than Kaidan or Steve. NEWSFLASH: there is a reason for those Zaeed-esque exchanges, i still got to know about her and her development from R&D labworker to full-fledged marine from those. and also everyon has less dialogue than they did in ME1-ME2, heck even Steve does not have much dialogue other than helping him with getting over his dead husband. also offering Samantha a shower=/=romance until you decide to join her. you can offer it to her, but choose the bottom option (shepard says good luck with that) and you still get the chess scene (bottom option while she is in the shower is the same as turning her down)

Modifié par draken-heart, 04 avril 2012 - 04:34 .

[ThatDancingTurian]

misoretu9 wrote...

So just because she says that she loves you make it full-fledged romance option, even though it has less of everything (dialogues and even lack of any particular scene)?

Oh, there's a sex scene. She takes you into the back of an open storage crate for a quickie in front of aaaaall the refuguees. If that doesn't scream romantic, I just don't know what to say!

Modifié par Aris Ravenstar, 04 avril 2012 - 04:37 .

[draken-heart]

misoretu9 wrote...

Jumbocactus wrote...

No citadel? True, but she also has more dialogs/scene (I don't know how to call it...) in the Normandy than, for example, Kaidan (my LI). As mshep I really feel like I'm talking with Sam all the time and she is not even a romance option for him.

Yeah, she informs you about your mails and other secretary's duty stuff. When it comes to personal conversations, there's only two, and it's the same no matter if you are male or female or want to romance her or not, aside of one last line. And actually, if you romance her, you get LESS dialogue, as it skips her (a bit) character depth bulding chess scene and goes directly to tasteless shower sex.

I've seen Kaidan romance on YT so I absolutely disagree with you. And even when compared to Cortez (which Sam is direct counterpart), I really felt like I had more of a relationship with him than with Sam, as there were much more dialogues and emotional bonding, while Sam = very few and very shallow conversations about nothing and then suddenly out of nowhere sex and we're supposed to believe it's romance.

 

LelianaHawke wrote...
There's Kelly. I don't count Kelly as a 'fling'. You tell each other you love each other and talk about your life after the war. 

So just because she says that she loves you make it full-fledged romance option, even though it has less of everything (dialogues and even lack of any particular scene)?

i am going to say this plainly Miso, use your imagination, that is what i do, i head canon that they talk after they shower together and "get to know each other".

[Sporothrix]

draken-heart wrote...

^ nah, Sam is just busy flagging messages analyzing data and gathering war asset information for the Computer in the war room for you to see how you are doing in getting help for earth. combine that with the fact that EDI is busy with keeping the Ship from being killed by pirates (Sam actually does not want to burden EDI with non-ship preservation issues) and you can see why she does not get out much. that and i think she rarely got out during her time at Oxford.

And Liara as Shadow Broker suddenly has a lot of free time so she goes into Citadel EVERY time they dock. Ah, I forgot, as you explained her WI suddenly can do all the Shadow Broker's job in substitution of her.

When it comes to game narrative, there could be any weak excuse why we didn't get even slightly similarly developed options like other people did. But it doesn't concern me as a player. 

 So please, if they wanted they would put more effort into it.  

draken-heart wrote...

and also everyon has less dialogue than they did in ME1-ME2, heck even Steve does not have much dialogue other than helping him with getting over his dead husband.

That's possible, but I didn't compare ME3 romances to romances from other games, but Samantha's romance to any other ME3 romance. And that 'even Steve's' romance has WAY more content than Samantha's. So, if according to you even Steve doesn't have much dialogues, then I'm not sure how Traynor should be described..

draken-heart wrote...

also offering Samantha a shower=/=romance until you decide to join her. you can offer it to her, but choose the bottom option (shepard says good luck with that) and you still get the chess scene (bottom option while she is in the shower is the same as turning her down)

And who said that? I wrote that shower sex (joining her in the shower, which is BTW the first and only romance option you can choose, which speaks for itself about quality and of how much effort they had put into this romance) cuts off chess part, which significantly decrease very small amount of dialogues you could have with her.

i am going to say this plainly Miso, use your imagination, that is what i do, i head canon that they talk after they shower together and "get to know each other".

Sorry, I'm tired of using my imagination to recompensate myself a fact that I'm treated as second class player because I'm lesbian. Gay men got ones of the most developed romances in this game only because they didn't follow your advice. They were angry and vocal about it.

[His Name was HYR!!]

She's a workaholic.

[draken-heart]

sure the other ME3 romances are better than Sam's, but only Liara's actually works, Steve's is basically you help him get over his hubby, then all of a sudden he wants you, which makes no sense. Kaidan's is "if it's you, then it's okay" still bad writing. Shepard-sexual characters like Kaidan, Liara, Allers and Kelly equals bad writing. sad to say but the DA2 romances were well done, but it made no sense to have all the romance-able, non-DLC party members being attracted to Hawkes of both genders. Same with Kaidan. Steve should take more time to get Robert off his mind for good instead of "hey you helped me get over my husband, i love you almost immediately after all that Shepard".

point is the entire game is bad writing forget about that mess with Samantha and focus on the writing of then ending and the game in general.

[Apathy1989]

draken-heart wrote...

sure the other ME3 romances are better than Sam's, but only Liara's actually works, Steve's is basically you help him get over his hubby, then all of a sudden he wants you, which makes no sense. Kaidan's is "if it's you, then it's okay" still bad writing. Shepard-sexual characters like Kaidan, Liara, Allers and Kelly equals bad writing. sad to say but the DA2 romances were well done, but it made no sense to have all the romance-able, non-DLC party members being attracted to Hawkes of both genders. Same with Kaidan. Steve should take more time to get Robert off his mind for good instead of "hey you helped me get over my husband, i love you almost immediately after all that Shepard".

point is the entire game is bad writing forget about that mess with Samantha and focus on the writing of then ending and the game in general.

Yeah Cortez comes over as weird romance, Samantha just comes over as a shallow fling. Its a shame.

Have to disagree with shepard-sexuality though. I'd much rather only have a few, very well written bisexual romances (like DA2) than loads of gender specific ones that leave some people annoyed they are cutt off.

Modifié par Apathy1989, 04 avril 2012 - 06:26 .

[draken-heart]

@Misoretu9: did you ever think that Samantha's feelings for Shepard began when she saved Traynor from when the collectors attacked Horizon while little miss-not-enough-dialogue-or-citadel-scene-for-romance-option was visiting her family, and that's why she does not need to asks Shepard for anything unless Shepard offers her a use of her(Shepard's) shower. ME3 in my opinion is designed for the player to use their imagination on a lot of things. that or Samantha just does not do dates or basic relationship fluff that you would like to see.

if that is the case, then all you who hate Samantha's romance might as well petition Bioware for a New female squaddie that is gay/bi and has a full romance and make them drop Samantha to Diana Fling status.

Modifié par draken-heart, 04 avril 2012 - 06:35 .

[draken-heart]

hey Misoretu9 i have a question for you. If Samantha got a date scene on the Citadel before or after the tasteless Shower sex-scene, would you give samantha a second chance?

[LelianaHawke]

So just because she says that she loves you make it full-fledged romance option, even though it has less of everything (dialogues and even lack of any particular scene)?

The romance with Kelly is slowly built up over both ME2 and ME3. It's not just ME3.

Kelly also has 4 unique dialgue scenes, and two unique 'click only dialogues' (things she only says once if you click on her but aren't a full conversation). You also get the chance to save her life.

I'm aware that she's not given as much screen time as Liara, and that's a bad thing, but she's a serious option. And at least was for my Shepard.

Modifié par LelianaHawke, 04 avril 2012 - 09:09 .

[EmGo]

 It wasn't necessary, Traynor as a less important character already has a lot of scenes. She has as much scenes as characters from ME1 and ME2 why did she should have a scene on the citadel? They gave her scene with chess and Cortez with the Memroial scene. So... what's the problem here?

[MACharlie1]

EmGo wrote...

 It wasn't necessary, Traynor as a less important character already has a lot of scenes. She has as much scenes as characters from ME1 and ME2 why did she should have a scene on the citadel? They gave her scene with chess and Cortez with the Memroial scene. So... what's the problem here?

She also had an additional (in a weird soft core porn sense) sex scene to...everyone else. So I think it kind of balances itself out. 

[Sporothrix]

MACharlie1 wrote...

EmGo wrote...

 It wasn't necessary, Traynor as a less important character already has a lot of scenes. She has as much scenes as characters from ME1 and ME2 why did she should have a scene on the citadel? They gave her scene with chess and Cortez with the Memroial scene. So... what's the problem here?

She also had an additional (in a weird soft core porn sense) sex scene to...everyone else. So I think it kind of balances itself out. 

Old thread, but I didn't see that post before. She's supposed to be romance option, the only lesbian one (as devs, Hudson namely, insisted that romance with Liara is not lesbian), so what's weird in fact that she has (poorly done btw) sex scene? 

But if you go for romance then you don't get that chess scene, which contains significant part of her overall dialogues. So by romancing her you get to know her even less. Cortez has actually few scenes on Citadel, which are not cut by pursuing romance with him.

And I believe that indeed for devs Traynor was less important character, as she almost has no dialogues compared with others. Option for lesbians, so who cares, when it comes to looking progressive it's only gay male options that press will look at, so just write few lines on the knee, all the effort focus on "hawt" shower sex scene to please straight boys.

[Sarcastic Tasha]

Didn't Traynor say she got her chess set from the Citadel? Maybe she just doesn't go to the same places Shepard does. It did suck that Traynor didn't get a scene on the Citadel though.

Overall I liked the Traynor romance. It isn't as good as the Liara romance but considering it was all in one game I thought it was pretty good. I thought there was quite a bit of good banter between Traynor and Shepard. Could have done with a few more proper conversations but still. I wasn't really fussed on the shower scene especially since it replaces the chess scene. The chess scene could have been a good opportunity for Traynor and Shepard to flirt a bit before jumping right into erm the shower. But its not a huge problem, I've just had to headcanon the shower scene a bit differently. Which is a lot easier than having to headcanon a different ending to the game.