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[tjmax]

Orthodox Infidel wrote...

tjmax wrote...

AtlasMickey wrote...

That Catalyst made the Reapers as a solution to chaos. THAT'S IT. Not out of altruism. Not out of a protective instinct. These things are mentioned, yes, but they are secondary to the purely selfish reason that he prefers order to chaos. Any time the altruism card is played or a Reaper says, "we are your salvation" Shepard rightly calls bull****. Yes, it's in the narrative. When you post "yo dawg" you are adding nothing. Nothing! Shepard already calls foul. Many many times.

Catalyst did not make the reapers. He controls them.

"They are my solution" implies he came up with the idea of having them rape everything every 50k years. Whether he hand crafted them himself in his space magic workshop is irrelevant.

Ok i am tired of explaining this over and over lol so i will make a whole post about the star kid of my own ;P

[The Angry One]

Anyone get tired of these people making threads then vanishing when their flimsy assertions are challenged?

[AlexXIV]

dreman9999 wrote...

Orthodox Infidel wrote...

tjmax wrote...

AtlasMickey wrote...

That Catalyst made the Reapers as a solution to chaos. THAT'S IT. Not out of altruism. Not out of a protective instinct. These things are mentioned, yes, but they are secondary to the purely selfish reason that he prefers order to chaos. Any time the altruism card is played or a Reaper says, "we are your salvation" Shepard rightly calls bull****. Yes, it's in the narrative. When you post "yo dawg" you are adding nothing. Nothing! Shepard already calls foul. Many many times.

Catalyst did not make the reapers. He controls them.

"They are my solution" implies he came up with the idea of having them rape everything every 50k years. Whether he hand crafted them himself in his space magic workshop is irrelevant.

That doesn't say he made them. I can have a bug problem in my yard. I can go out a buy insectiside and call it my salution to the bug pest problem. I clearly did not make the insectiside.

And who is to blame for you using insecticide? Not you? It doesn't matter who made the weapon that you use to murder someone either. This is just about semantincs and doesn't add anything to the discussion.

[FenixWylde]

Let's just call the ghostbusters and put him where he belongs.. in the containment unit!

[AlexXIV]

The Angry One wrote...

Anyone get tired of these people making threads then vanishing when their flimsy assertions are challenged?

The principle of mobbing.

[The Angry One]

AlexXIV wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

Anyone get tired of these people making threads then vanishing when their flimsy assertions are challenged?

The principle of mobbing.

If their arguments were sound it wouldn't matter.

[razor150]

dreman9999 wrote...

Orthodox Infidel wrote...

tjmax wrote...

AtlasMickey wrote...

That Catalyst made the Reapers as a solution to chaos. THAT'S IT. Not out of altruism. Not out of a protective instinct. These things are mentioned, yes, but they are secondary to the purely selfish reason that he prefers order to chaos. Any time the altruism card is played or a Reaper says, "we are your salvation" Shepard rightly calls bull****. Yes, it's in the narrative. When you post "yo dawg" you are adding nothing. Nothing! Shepard already calls foul. Many many times.

Catalyst did not make the reapers. He controls them.

"They are my solution" implies he came up with the idea of having them rape everything every 50k years. Whether he hand crafted them himself in his space magic workshop is irrelevant.

That doesn't say he made them. I can have a bug problem in my yard. I can go out a buy insectiside and call it my salution to the bug pest problem. I clearly did not make the insectiside.

Yet whether or not you made said insecticide is still irrelevant to the issue of your solution. It is a quibble that doesn't matter. 

[dreman9999]

The Angry One wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

He says he's preserving organic life, but ignores the fact that the only one creating a problem for organic life requiring them to be preserved is himself.

And yeah, Shepard calls foul. SO WHY DOESN'T SHE DO IT AT THE END?
Don't say injuries or I'll post the vid where Shep runs like an Ethiopian Olympic sprinter again.

I think we need to look at a history book sometime.....Organics have a massivehistory of self destrution, via war nad via massivly messing up there environment. We have a tendence to blow everythting to hell and overcomsume...
If your say the reapers are causing the problem, you ignoring the fact the organic was doing a fine enough job killing themselves.

Irrevant. Whether or not some organics blow themselves up, organic life has never, NEVER gone extinct.
Spacebrats assertions are wrong. The only one going around causing galactic extinction level events is him.

Irrelivent...That the reapers main point.
Sovergin...
http://www.youtube.c...IFIjTGt0#t=109s
Rennoch reaper...
http://www.youtube.c...fl5xqHiM#t=365s




Sheperd:Why are you doing this?
Star child:this is my salution.
Shepard :To what...?
Starchild:Chaos.
...
Also, It not som organics...ME2 made it clear that  there constant conflict and degade of environment. And we all most had the technologic synergy everyone say we never were close too...Project overlord....

So yes, we are very self destructive.

[dreman9999]

AlexXIV wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Orthodox Infidel wrote...

tjmax wrote...

AtlasMickey wrote...

That Catalyst made the Reapers as a solution to chaos. THAT'S IT. Not out of altruism. Not out of a protective instinct. These things are mentioned, yes, but they are secondary to the purely selfish reason that he prefers order to chaos. Any time the altruism card is played or a Reaper says, "we are your salvation" Shepard rightly calls bull****. Yes, it's in the narrative. When you post "yo dawg" you are adding nothing. Nothing! Shepard already calls foul. Many many times.

Catalyst did not make the reapers. He controls them.

"They are my solution" implies he came up with the idea of having them rape everything every 50k years. Whether he hand crafted them himself in his space magic workshop is irrelevant.

That doesn't say he made them. I can have a bug problem in my yard. I can go out a buy insectiside and call it my salution to the bug pest problem. I clearly did not make the insectiside.

And who is to blame for you using insecticide? Not you? It doesn't matter who made the weapon that you use to murder someone either. This is just about semantincs and doesn't add anything to the discussion.

But the point is that it being a salution doesn't mean  he made it.

[Evil_medved]

Evidently, he does not.

[AlexXIV]

The Angry One wrote...

AlexXIV wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

Anyone get tired of these people making threads then vanishing when their flimsy assertions are challenged?

The principle of mobbing.

If their arguments were sound it wouldn't matter.

No the principle of mobbing is spreading lies and rumors, best in a way it can't be backtracked to you. There is no argueing because they know they are wrong. They just know how group dynamics work. I am almost sure people are sent here just to cause trouble. Some do so probably unwittingly. But as you said, they start threads, catch attention and then never back anything up. It is a demoralizing strategy.

[The Angry One]

AlexXIV wrote...

No the principle of mobbing is spreading lies and rumors, best in a way it can't be backtracked to you. There is no argueing because they know they are wrong. They just know how group dynamics work. I am almost sure people are sent here just to cause trouble. Some do so probably unwittingly. But as you said, they start threads, catch attention and then never back anything up. It is a demoralizing strategy.

Oh I see what you mean now, yeah.

[AlexXIV]

dreman9999 wrote...

AlexXIV wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Orthodox Infidel wrote...

tjmax wrote...

AtlasMickey wrote...

That Catalyst made the Reapers as a solution to chaos. THAT'S IT. Not out of altruism. Not out of a protective instinct. These things are mentioned, yes, but they are secondary to the purely selfish reason that he prefers order to chaos. Any time the altruism card is played or a Reaper says, "we are your salvation" Shepard rightly calls bull****. Yes, it's in the narrative. When you post "yo dawg" you are adding nothing. Nothing! Shepard already calls foul. Many many times.

Catalyst did not make the reapers. He controls them.

"They are my solution" implies he came up with the idea of having them rape everything every 50k years. Whether he hand crafted them himself in his space magic workshop is irrelevant.

That doesn't say he made them. I can have a bug problem in my yard. I can go out a buy insectiside and call it my salution to the bug pest problem. I clearly did not make the insectiside.

And who is to blame for you using insecticide? Not you? It doesn't matter who made the weapon that you use to murder someone either. This is just about semantincs and doesn't add anything to the discussion.

But the point is that it being a salution doesn't mean  he made it.

And why is it imporant who made them and how do you know they didn't? Does anyone ever claim or say that Reapers are made by anyone else but the race of the starchild?

[The Angry One]

dreman9999 wrote...

Also, It not som organics...ME2 made it clear that  there constant conflict and degade of environment. And we all most had the technologic synergy everyone say we never were close too...Project overlord....

So yes, we are very self destructive.

Again, irrelevant. This does not threaten the overall order of the galaxy.
Again, the Protheans brought order. The Asari and the Council brought order.
The Reapers brought chaos.

The Reapers are the problem.

[dreman9999]

AlexXIV wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

He says he's preserving organic life, but ignores the fact that the only one creating a problem for organic life requiring them to be preserved is himself.

And yeah, Shepard calls foul. SO WHY DOESN'T SHE DO IT AT THE END?
Don't say injuries or I'll post the vid where Shep runs like an Ethiopian Olympic sprinter again.

I think we need to look at a history book sometime.....Organics have a massivehistory of self destrution, via war nad via massivly messing up there environment. We have a tendence to blow everythting to hell and overcomsume...
If your say the reapers are causing the problem, you ignoring the fact the organic was doing a fine enough job killing themselves.

And the Reapers didn't make it any better or did they?

The reaper are using the concept of results over means. To them in the end product is what all that matter. All organic will be made into reapers and everything will be at peace......

Lets know that  I would reather die ten thousand time over before having that type of peace happen.....They are not going to make me this...
 

[Shallyah]

If the created will always rebel against the creator, why haven't the Reapers found a way to eat the stupid Catalyst in the millions years they've been Reaping?

It would've saved us some ending annoyance...

[dreman9999]

razor150 wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Orthodox Infidel wrote...

tjmax wrote...

AtlasMickey wrote...

That Catalyst made the Reapers as a solution to chaos. THAT'S IT. Not out of altruism. Not out of a protective instinct. These things are mentioned, yes, but they are secondary to the purely selfish reason that he prefers order to chaos. Any time the altruism card is played or a Reaper says, "we are your salvation" Shepard rightly calls bull****. Yes, it's in the narrative. When you post "yo dawg" you are adding nothing. Nothing! Shepard already calls foul. Many many times.

Catalyst did not make the reapers. He controls them.

"They are my solution" implies he came up with the idea of having them rape everything every 50k years. Whether he hand crafted them himself in his space magic workshop is irrelevant.

That doesn't say he made them. I can have a bug problem in my yard. I can go out a buy insectiside and call it my salution to the bug pest problem. I clearly did not make the insectiside.

Yet whether or not you made said insecticide is still irrelevant to the issue of your solution. It is a quibble that doesn't matter. 

The point I made was not aim to the fact that the salution is right...It to the fact that his logic.."Created rebel ageinst their creators" is not a hypocriticism.

[tjmax]

http://biggerthankol...u-like-his.html

Modifié par tjmax, 30 mars 2012 - 12:02 .

[G_Tech TM]

Hexley UK wrote...

Or just get the reapers to kill all synthetics evey cycle....

MIND=BLOWN

[Baronesa]

Why is chaos worse than order?

The Universe IS chaotic... We only see order in things because we consciously self impose it...

[AlexXIV]

dreman9999 wrote...

AlexXIV wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

He says he's preserving organic life, but ignores the fact that the only one creating a problem for organic life requiring them to be preserved is himself.

And yeah, Shepard calls foul. SO WHY DOESN'T SHE DO IT AT THE END?
Don't say injuries or I'll post the vid where Shep runs like an Ethiopian Olympic sprinter again.

I think we need to look at a history book sometime.....Organics have a massivehistory of self destrution, via war nad via massivly messing up there environment. We have a tendence to blow everythting to hell and overcomsume...
If your say the reapers are causing the problem, you ignoring the fact the organic was doing a fine enough job killing themselves.

And the Reapers didn't make it any better or did they?

The reaper are using the concept of results over means. To them in the end product is what all that matter. All organic will be made into reapers and everything will be at peace......

Lets know that  I would reather die ten thousand time over before having that type of peace happen.....They are not going to make me this...
 

It would still be easier to wipe out ALL life. Before ME3 I think many if not all theories about the Reapers circled around Reapers needing us. Our genetic material. That's also what was part of the dark energy ending. They gathered 'personel' to help them work on the dark energy problem. Something along that at least, I didn't really get that one either 100%.

[Elyiia]

@The Angry One, don't forget he doesn't just run like an Ethiopian Olympic sprinter, he also makes a jump that would put an Olympic long jumper to shame.

The Catalyst's logic is flawed. He wants to impose order upon chaos but the universe is naturally chaotic. The only way to impose order would be to destroy everything.

[dreman9999]

AlexXIV wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

AlexXIV wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Orthodox Infidel wrote...

tjmax wrote...

AtlasMickey wrote...

That Catalyst made the Reapers as a solution to chaos. THAT'S IT. Not out of altruism. Not out of a protective instinct. These things are mentioned, yes, but they are secondary to the purely selfish reason that he prefers order to chaos. Any time the altruism card is played or a Reaper says, "we are your salvation" Shepard rightly calls bull****. Yes, it's in the narrative. When you post "yo dawg" you are adding nothing. Nothing! Shepard already calls foul. Many many times.

Catalyst did not make the reapers. He controls them.

"They are my solution" implies he came up with the idea of having them rape everything every 50k years. Whether he hand crafted them himself in his space magic workshop is irrelevant.

That doesn't say he made them. I can have a bug problem in my yard. I can go out a buy insectiside and call it my salution to the bug pest problem. I clearly did not make the insectiside.

And who is to blame for you using insecticide? Not you? It doesn't matter who made the weapon that you use to murder someone either. This is just about semantincs and doesn't add anything to the discussion.

But the point is that it being a salution doesn't mean  he made it.

And why is it imporant who made them and how do you know they didn't? Does anyone ever claim or say that Reapers are made by anyone else but the race of the starchild?

But thats the main agrument made by the joke....
"Yo , dawg..I heard you don't want to be killed by synthetics ...So I made synthetics to kill you every 50000 years so you won'tbe killed by synthetics."

My comment is aimed at that.

[AlexXIV]

dreman9999 wrote...
The point I made was not aim to the fact that the salution is right...It to the fact that his logic.."Created rebel ageinst their creators" is not a hypocriticism.

Unless the race of the starchild created the Reapers. Anyway, any slaves will eventually rebel against their oppressors. That's actually a theory that is proven in real life, unlike the Bioware asspull. And Reapers are bascially slaves or tools, despite their superior intelligence. Because the starchild seems to control them.

Modifié par AlexXIV, 30 mars 2012 - 12:07 .

[Jenonax]

Please, the Universe survives through chaos. Its made from chaos. Besides our little tiny corner of it being pruned or whatever it is they're doing would not make one iota of difference in the grand scheme of things. Starchild is flawed.