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[ScotGaymer]

I have to say that i see where the folk who are complaining are coming from.

But like i said none of these bugs are game breaking and to sit whinging about how you expect the game to "work" as "intended" upon release is just naive as well as no small measure of stupid.
Not sayin that to be rude, but its nonetheless true.

The game is fairly well balanced (perhaps Mages especially Arcane Warriors need nerfed a bit), and heres the thing it DOES WORK. Heres how I know...

Does it go into the computer? Yes.
Does it meet the specs? Yes.
Does it run when you double click the icon? Yes.
Does the game do what its stated to do? More or less.
Are there any major CTD bugs? Not that ive encountered.
Are there any major flaws/issues with the game? Only the memory leak problem which obviously isnt easily fixed.

Im sorry guys but face it. As irritating as they are the VAST majority of the bugs for this game as fairly small.
Its not like any of the game fundamentals are broken like in Fallout 3 (the broken in a patch then sorta fixed in a later patch VATS anyone?)
The only bug outside of the memory leak that could be considered "game breaking" is the Dexterity bug. Its something thats part of the game mechanics thats not working as intended which has been fixed in a hotfix.

Are there issues with this game? Certainly.
Are some of them serious and seriously annoying? Very much so.
Will the be resolved? I virtually guarantee it.

Once again I feel the need to reiterate that while Bioware operates under the general umbrella of EA corp; they are not the same thing. And Bioware can not be responsible for EAs poor support. They do as much as they can within their partnership agreement with EA allows them to.

Some of the threads on this forum about bugs are complete and utter overreactions.

No game EVER has been released without bugs. Even in the days without Da InterWebz™. I defy anyone to name even one game ever that did have literally no bugs whatsoever.

Again while I think some of the views aired have a point, I think folk often make things out to be much worse than they are.
"OMG! Cant get Shale! This like totally breaks my game!!!!!!!!!111111!!!1111!"
No it doesnt. its annoying, pain in the ass, serious bug yes. But you can continue playing without getting Shale. It IS seperate DLC that most folk got free. Thus it is not by any definition Game Breaking.

Modifié par FitScotGaymer, 03 décembre 2009 - 12:24 .

[Apex Sammoth]

Dex1701 wrote...

FitScotGaymer wrote...
Yes its all due to Biowares hard work, awesome writing staff, and amazing development team. But as much as it pains me to admit; none of it would have been possible without EA footing the bill for it.

Not true.  Dragon Age was all but finished when EA bought Bioware.

Apex Sammoth wrote...
I
know your not talking about me? Because If I choose to run 32 bit.s
there is a Reason. Also if you knew anything about Vista Ultimate it
comes with both 32 and 64 bit edtions. If I did post Alienware in my
Direct X Diag. it was there when I cut and pasted it I didn't type
anything extra. If you are talking about me I am running 4gigs of Mem
** that Vista sees since there last SP DXdiag doesn't for another
reason. I guess your so smart that you would of knew these things.

If you're using 32-bit Vista it is not seeing your 4GB of RAM.  Due to reserved I/O addresses in their architecture all 32-bit Microsoft OS's can only recognize 3.25GB of RAM.  Some server OS's that can use PAE to get around the addressing issue can use more than 3.25, but none of the desktop OS's can.  Here:
http://www.codinghor...ves/000811.html

Apex Sammoth wrote...
 Please
give me a break it still has ntohing to do with the fact that EA/
Bioware hasn't addressed the issue with the game. I agree you can't
make everyone Happy but, you are paying for the product period. Yes I
do think they should take some time testing it on other types of
systems hence why there are Beta Testers.

No games company can test with every system configuration.  Do you have any idea how many different combinations that is?  They would have to purchase literally millions of computers and hire a legion of testers.  They'd have to charge >9,000 for the game to pay for it.  Not to mention all of the nasty configuration problems, registry problems, outdated drivers, oddball 3rd-party devices, etc. that there's no way for them to know about.  Things like this happen.  You just got unlucky this time around (or there's something wrong with your PC or OS configuration).

No offense, but your complaint is...unrealistic.  Bioware's handling of the game's issues so far has been above and beyond what most companies are willing to do.  Wait for the patch...they're working hard on it.  It takes a lot of time and effort to create, test, and QA a patch for a game like this.  Have a little patience and play something else while you're waiting.  If you can't handle having a little glitch every now and then you might want to consider switching to gaming on consoles before you have a coronary.

Mightyg wrote...
Either way, not having a major patch
after almost a month is disappointing, especially when there's so many
issues that are affecting the game. there's 235 threads in the pc
support forum alone. That's far from insignificant. I also find it
strange that so many people that aren't having problems are lurking the
tech support area. Bioware is a great company, but they did not do a
good job this time around.

Um...really?  They released a patch a few days after the game was released, and they're working on the next one.  Since when do game companies release their first major patch after the first month?  That's really, REALLY unusual.

Aside from that, 235 threads in the PC support forum is nothing for a game that sold as many copies as DA:O did.  I lurk and post regularly in more than a few PC support forums on game dev sites, and a month out from release there's typically a lot more activity than this.  Were you around the Bethesda forums when Oblivion and Fallout 3 were released?  Hoo boy...

I understand why it doesn't see my 4gigs. I have enough knowledge to undertand that. My Problem has a lot to do with the game and it's long  Load Times, %100 Processor Usage, and CTD issues. I find them to be game breaking period. No It is not Unrealistic about how I feel esp. when they can send Betas out for people to test on Numerous configurations. I know how gamming development works im not a moron. What I am saying is they rushed this product before it was tested "Properly".  Know whats funny is your Defending them and saying this is ok. No It's NOT Ok....if you haven't read any threads on this support page about having the same issues. Most have different configs but, within the REQ SPECS on the back of the box. This is not my Doing this is EA/ Biowares doing. I did not Advertise my product to work under these specs THEY did. Quit defending them it get's kinda old when someone has a difference of opinion about issues with a game that has issues (Bioware has addressed the issue with the game FACT) yet you still try to blame the consumer for it's faults (Aka:Nothing wrong with my sysem. Yes My Drivers are Up to Date.). Not True every other game I own works fine (This one works fine untill load times and CTD). That says something.  It is still a crappy release of a game.The Problem has aot to to with being 1 month after release and the game has no real Patches that work on Fixing these Major issues. As I have stated before it's a sad thing because Bioware has had such a good track record with patches etc. I do Really Enoy DAO but, these issues really make me think twice about buying another product by them or EA.

Again while I think some of the views aired have a point, I think folk often make things out to be much worse than they are.
"OMG! Cant get Shale! This like totally breaks my game!!!!!!!!!111111!!!1111!"
No it doesnt. its annoying, pain in the ass, serious bug yes. But you can continue playing without getting Shale. It IS seperate DLC that most folk got free. Thus it is not by any definition Game Breaking.

When the Games load times are 5 min to zone, %100 Processor Usages and CTD in the middle of the game is not a Small Bug.

Who cares about system setups? Or O/S architecture? ****, the issue is that some of us are experiencing problems with running DA:O as intended.

Quoted for the Truth. This is what im saying in short.
 

If you can't handle having a little glitch every now and then you might want to consider switching to gaming on consoles before you have a coronary.

Why do you have to be an **** seriously ?

Modifié par Apex Sammoth, 03 décembre 2009 - 05:48 .

[Jab0r]

The Problem has aot to to with being 1 month after release and the game has no real Patches that work on Fixing these Major issues.

Patches get released when they're ready. Not before.

A working patch that arrives after a couple of months and fixes the issues is preferable to day-1 patch that fixes one bug but introduces a heap more elsewhere.

When the Games load times are 5 min to zone, %100 Processor Usages and CTD in the middle of the game is not a Small Bug.

And if those issues are caused by a buggy driver on your system, rather than being the fault of the game itself?

[magor1988x]

I've never had a single problem with Bioware products ever. While I've found a handful of bugs in the game none have been game breaking and all have been easily solved, usually by going back to the last save made.



I'll also note that I've downloaded several player made addons and even those have not broken the game.



Patches are released when they are ready and if they are needed. I haven't seen any issue where the game is so broken it is unplayable.

[jableskage]

Jab0r wrote...

The Problem has aot to to with being 1 month after release and the game has no real Patches that work on Fixing these Major issues.

Patches get released when they're ready. Not before.
A working patch that arrives after a couple of months and fixes the issues is preferable to day-1 patch that fixes one bug but introduces a heap more elsewhere.

When the Games load times are 5 min to zone, %100 Processor Usages and CTD in the middle of the game is not a Small Bug.

And if those issues are caused by a buggy driver on your system, rather than being the fault of the game itself?

"Patches get released when they're ready. Not before"

wow major contradiction, looks like the game should have been released when it was ready?

[Apex Sammoth]

Jab0r wrote...

The Problem has aot to to with being 1 month after release and the game has no real Patches that work on Fixing these Major issues.

Patches get released when they're ready. Not before.
A working patch that arrives after a couple of months and fixes the issues is preferable to day-1 patch that fixes one bug but introduces a heap more elsewhere.

When the Games load times are 5 min to zone, %100 Processor Usages and CTD in the middle of the game is not a Small Bug.

And if those issues are caused by a buggy driver on your system, rather than being the fault of the game itself?

Again another person who keeps defending them. Look What you said is a double standard. You can't say should be ready when the game wasn't ready for release. 2nd there is and I will say it again no problems with my system. I have a ton of other games that have HIgher System Req then this game that work just fine. The Problem is DOA period. It has been talked about enough on these threads to understand and Even Bioware has admitted to the problems that it's not peoples systems.

Stop Being Such a Fanboy the game has issues more then your willing to admit. At least Bioware has why can't you ?

Modifié par Apex Sammoth, 03 décembre 2009 - 11:27 .

[Dex1701]

[quote]Apex Sammoth wrote...
I understand why it doesn't see my 4gigs. I have enough knowledge to undertand that. My Problem has a lot to do with the game and it's long  Load Times, %100 Processor Usage, and CTD issues.
[/quote]
I've seen none of these things.

[quote]Apex Sammoth wrote...
No It is not Unrealistic about how I feel esp. when they can send Betas out for people to test on Numerous configurations. I know how gamming development works
[/quote]
I don't think you do.  If you did you'd know that it's impossible to test for every PC configuration.

[quote]Apex Sammoth wrote...
What I am saying is they rushed this product before it was tested "Properly".  Know whats funny is your Defending them and saying this is ok. No It's NOT Ok....if you haven't read any threads on this support page about having the same issues. Most have different configs but, within the REQ SPECS on the back of the box.
[/quote]
No, it's not ok, but it happens with every major game release to somebody.  It's just happening to you this time, and you're acting all entitled about it.   Every major PC game is going to have issues on some machines, either because those machines have some kind of a problem, bad/old drivers, etc., or because the developer didn't anticipate something about their system configuration.  It happens all the time.  Dragon Age is no different.

[quote]Apex Sammoth wrote...
This is not my Doing this is EA/ Biowares doing. I did not Advertise my product to work under these specs THEY did. Quit defending them it get's kinda old when someone has a difference of opinion about issues with a game that has issues (Bioware has addressed the issue with the game FACT) yet you still try to blame the consumer for it's faults (Aka:Nothing wrong with my sysem. Yes My Drivers are Up to Date.).
[/quote]
Every game has bugs or problems with some systems.  How many different ways can I say this?

[quote]Apex Sammoth wrote...
Not True every other game I own works fine (This one works fine untill load times and CTD). That says something. 
[/quote]
Actually, it doesn't.  Let me tell you a story.  I had no end of CTD problems with VTM: Bloodlines when it came out.  I swore it was the game.  I had no problems whatsoever with 10+ other games I had installed on my system.  Finally I tested my RAM and found that I had a bad memory module.  I replaced it and all of my problems went away.  The ONLY application that the module caused a problem for was that one game, yet the bad module was, in fact, the problem.  The fact that other games work fine doesn't mean that there isn't a problem with your system.  I remember having a problem with Oblivion because of the version of FFDSHOW I had installed...it didn't affect any other game, but upgrading FFDSHOW fixed the issue in Oblivion.

[quote]Apex Sammoth wrote...
It is still a crappy release of a game.The Problem has aot to to with being 1 month after release and the game has no real Patches that work on Fixing these Major issues.
[/quote]
Again, nobody releases major patches within a month of a game's release.  It takes longer than that to get a patch together and test it. 

[quote]Apex Sammoth wrote...
When the Games load times are 5 min to zone, %100 Processor Usages and CTD in the middle of the game is not a Small Bug.
[/quote]
The thing is that not everyone is experiencing this.  I'm sure that Bioware is working on a fix for the configurations that are having this issue.  All games are released with some issues.  Seriously, you just have to wait for the patch to be ready.  Why is this so hard to understand?

[quote]Apex Sammoth wrote...
[quote]Who cares about system setups? Or O/S architecture? ****, the issue is that some of us are experiencing problems with running DA:O as intended.[/quote]
Quoted for the Truth. This is what im saying in short.
[/quote]
Lol...yes, and every other game has problems like this until they are patched.  What's your point?
 
[quote]Apex Sammoth wrote...
[quote]If you can't handle having a little glitch every now and then you might want to consider switching to gaming on consoles before you have a coronary.[/quote]

Why do you have to be an **** seriously ?


[/quote]
I'm not.  Why are you acting like you're the only person that's ever had a problem with a newly released game?  There is nothing out of the ordinary going on here.  I'm sorry that you're having problems.  It happens.

[quote]jableskage wrote...
"Patches get released when they're ready. Not before"

wow major contradiction, looks like the game should have been released when it was ready?
[/quote]
It's not, really.  All PC games have issues on some system when they're released.  They can't test for every configuration...some issues have to get patched later.  This is always how it is.  So, since you're having a problem you'd prefer that Bioware release a buggy patch that causes more problems than it solves? 

Modifié par Dex1701, 03 décembre 2009 - 11:37 .

[Apex Sammoth]

magor1988x wrote...

I've never had a single problem with Bioware products ever. While I've found a handful of bugs in the game none have been game breaking and all have been easily solved, usually by going back to the last save made.

I'll also note that I've downloaded several player made addons and even those have not broken the game.

Patches are released when they are ready and if they are needed. I haven't seen any issue where the game is so broken it is unplayable.

It doesn't happen to everyone. Some people with Quad/ Dual processors. AMD config have some issues. There have also been issues with some ATI cards. It really depends. Then again this is why they are supposed to release a Beta to test it on certain system configs to see if things are working right before release. The problem is there are too many people with issues with different configs is a major problem. Since there is no real way to back track everyone issues including people who dont have there driver up to date etc. What pisses me off is im beig patronized for telling how it is. The fact that people on these boards still blame everyone on there system configs and driver issues is utter crap. When the real problem lays within the game programming to begin with esp. after a Bioware rep already stated there was an issue.

[Nwalya42]

I really love the fact that certain people think they are smarter than others, despite being the minority. Dex has the right of it. There are issues with EVERY game. The devs have to crawl through hundreds of lines of code to find a single problem, then look and see what else uses the same code to make sure that it is fixed everywhere. It is impossible to test EVERY computer configuration - OP, you are just unfortunate enough to be one of the ones who's configuration was not tested completely, or you have issues with your computer that affect this game specifically (software conflicts, hardware errors, unsupported drivers)

[Apex Sammoth]

[quote]Dex1701 wrote...

[quote]Apex Sammoth wrote...
I understand why it doesn't see my 4gigs. I have enough knowledge to undertand that. My Problem has a lot to do with the game and it's long  Load Times, %100 Processor Usage, and CTD issues.
[/quote]
I've seen none of these things.

[quote]Apex Sammoth wrote...
No It is not Unrealistic about how I feel esp. when they can send Betas out for people to test on Numerous configurations. I know how gamming development works
[/quote]
I don't think you do.  If you did you'd know that it's impossible to test for every PC configuration.

[quote]Apex Sammoth wrote...
What I am saying is they rushed this product before it was tested "Properly".  Know whats funny is your Defending them and saying this is ok. No It's NOT Ok....if you haven't read any threads on this support page about having the same issues. Most have different configs but, within the REQ SPECS on the back of the box.
[/quote]
No, it's not ok, but it happens with every major game release to somebody.  It's just happening to you this time, and you're acting all entitled about it.   Every major PC game is going to have issues on some machines, either because those machines have some kind of a problem, bad/old drivers, etc., or because the developer didn't anticipate something about their system configuration.  It happens all the time.  Dragon Age is no different.

[quote]Apex Sammoth wrote...
This is not my Doing this is EA/ Biowares doing. I did not Advertise my product to work under these specs THEY did. Quit defending them it get's kinda old when someone has a difference of opinion about issues with a game that has issues (Bioware has addressed the issue with the game FACT) yet you still try to blame the consumer for it's faults (Aka:Nothing wrong with my sysem. Yes My Drivers are Up to Date.).
[/quote]
Every game has bugs or problems with some systems.  How many different ways can I say this?

[quote]Apex Sammoth wrote...
Not True every other game I own works fine (This one works fine untill load times and CTD). That says something. 
[/quote]
Actually, it doesn't.  Let me tell you a story.  I had no end of CTD problems with VTM: Bloodlines when it came out.  I swore it was the game.  I had no problems whatsoever with 10+ other games I had installed on my system.  Finally I tested my RAM and found that I had a bad memory module.  I replaced it and all of my problems went away.  The ONLY application that the module caused a problem for was that one game, yet the bad module was, in fact, the problem.  The fact that other games work fine doesn't mean that there isn't a problem with your system.  I remember having a problem with Oblivion because of the version of FFDSHOW I had installed...it didn't affect any other game, but upgrading FFDSHOW fixed the issue in Oblivion.

[quote]Apex Sammoth wrote...
It is still a crappy release of a game.The Problem has aot to to with being 1 month after release and the game has no real Patches that work on Fixing these Major issues.
[/quote]
Again, nobody releases major patches within a month of a game's release.  It takes longer than that to get a patch together and test it. 

[quote]Apex Sammoth wrote...
When the Games load times are 5 min to zone, %100 Processor Usages and CTD in the middle of the game is not a Small Bug.
[/quote]
The thing is that not everyone is experiencing this.  I'm sure that Bioware is working on a fix for the configurations that are having this issue.  All games are released with some issues.  Seriously, you just have to wait for the patch to be ready.  Why is this so hard to understand?

[quote]Apex Sammoth wrote...

[quote]Who cares about system setups? Or O/S architecture? ****, the issue is that some of us are experiencing problems with running DA:O as intended.[/quote]
Quoted for the Truth. This is what im saying in short.
[/quote]
Lol...yes, and every other game has problems like this until they are patched.  What's your point?
 
[quote]Apex Sammoth wrote...

[quote]If you can't handle having a little glitch every now and then you might want to consider switching to gaming on consoles before you have a coronary.[/quote]

Why do you have to be an **** seriously ?


[/quote]
I'm not.  Why are you acting like you're the only person that's ever had a problem with a newly released game?  There is nothing out of the ordinary going on here.  I'm sorry that you're having problems.  It happens.

[quote]jableskage wrote...
"Patches get released when they're ready. Not before"

wow major contradiction, looks like the game should have been released when it was ready?
[/quote]
It's not, really.  All PC games have issues on some system when they're released.  They can't test for every configuration...some issues have to get patched later.  This is always how it is.  So, since you're having a problem you'd prefer that Bioware release a buggy patch that causes more problems than it solves? 
[/quote]

I am so done with you. Do you really think I didnt test my stuff before I posted this. Or are you just that arrogant that people don't do these things. BTW  I have every right to be a little ticked off yes because I PAID for it. Why is that so hard to understand. Really do you think I don't know how PC gamming works ? I know it takes time to develop patchs. Thats not the Point. The Point is it should of not been this bad before EA/Bioware released the game. Is that hard to understand ? As I stated above not everyone is having issues but, a lot of people are.

As Far as Buggy Patches being released no. How about releaseing the game with less then "Major" bugs that it is having.


[quote]I'm not.  Why are you acting like you're the only person that's ever had a problem with a newly released game?  There is nothing out of the ordinary going on here.  I'm sorry that you're having problems.  It happens.[/quote]


Yes you are and I know games all have issues on release. You also didnt have to answer the thread did you ? You had to stick your Arrogant 2 cents in and be an ****. You could of just moved on. I made a statement about DOA and stand by it.

[Dex1701]

Apex Sammoth wrote...

magor1988x wrote...

I've never had a single problem with Bioware products ever. While I've found a handful of bugs in the game none have been game breaking and all have been easily solved, usually by going back to the last save made.

I'll also note that I've downloaded several player made addons and even those have not broken the game.

Patches are released when they are ready and if they are needed. I haven't seen any issue where the game is so broken it is unplayable.

It doesn't happen to everyone. Some people with Quad/ Dual processors. AMD config have some issues. There have also been issues with some ATI cards. It really depends. Then again this is why they are supposed to release a Beta to test it on certain system configs to see if things are working right before release. The problem is there are too many people with issues with different configs is a major problem. Since there is no real way to back track everyone issues including people who dont have there driver up to date etc. What pisses me off is im beig patronized for telling how it is. The fact that people on these boards still blame everyone on there system configs and driver issues is utter crap. When the real problem lays within the game programming to begin with esp. after a Bioware rep already stated there was an issue.

Most problems are issues with individual systems, yes, but most games are also released with bugs and/or problems that weren't caught in testing.  Nobody is saying you're problems are 100% definitely your computer's fault.  What we're trying to tell you is that some issues are normal and that Dragon Age isn't any worse off than most other major game releases.  I've been gaming on computers for 25 years, and this release isn't any more problematic than most others I've seen.  Again, I'm sorry that you're having a problem, but it happens.  If you can't handle waiting for a patch I don't know what to tell you.  Expecting PC games to be released without some issues on some systems isn't realistic and is only going to lead to disappointment.

Modifié par Dex1701, 03 décembre 2009 - 11:54 .

[Apex Sammoth]

Nwalya42 wrote...

I really love the fact that certain people think they are smarter than others, despite being the minority. Dex has the right of it. There are issues with EVERY game. The devs have to crawl through hundreds of lines of code to find a single problem, then look and see what else uses the same code to make sure that it is fixed everywhere. It is impossible to test EVERY computer configuration - OP, you are just unfortunate enough to be one of the ones who's configuration was not tested completely, or you have issues with your computer that affect this game specifically (software conflicts, hardware errors, unsupported drivers)

Here we go again.

[Dex1701]

Apex Sammoth wrote...

Nwalya42 wrote...

I really love the fact that certain people think they are smarter than others, despite being the minority. Dex has the right of it. There are issues with EVERY game. The devs have to crawl through hundreds of lines of code to find a single problem, then look and see what else uses the same code to make sure that it is fixed everywhere. It is impossible to test EVERY computer configuration - OP, you are just unfortunate enough to be one of the ones who's configuration was not tested completely, or you have issues with your computer that affect this game specifically (software conflicts, hardware errors, unsupported drivers)

Here we go again.

Right, we wouldn't want to introduce any kind of logic or rational thinking to the conversation.  You're obviously having problems because Bioware are lazy/incompetent rather than PC gaming QA simply being a dodgy and difficult prospect.

Sorry, I had to. 

Modifié par Dex1701, 04 décembre 2009 - 12:19 .

[Varenus Luckmann]

There are no support for this game, much like most EA games. There will no doubt be patches, but there are no ongoing support.

[chockobumster]

Like a game of tennis, but I do not agree "I shold wait patiently for a patch to arrive" without comment.

I also paid for the game. If they wanted me to offer an advance on the fully functioning game while they were trying to get it to work, they should have said so. I'd have loaned them a few bucks and they could patiently wait for the rest before they fixed it.

I seem to have all the requisites for failure - a quad core, windows 7, etc. But I have plenty of system and it crashes my computer - turns it off - after about 5 minutes of play.  I was going well til the recent patch 1.1b and now it is not playable.

But I have paid my money.

[chockobumster]

Like a game of tennis, but I do not agree "I shold wait patiently for a patch to arrive" without comment.



I also paid for the game. If they wanted me to offer an advance on the fully functioning game while they were trying to get it to work, they should have said so. I'd have loaned them a few bucks and they could patiently wait for the rest before they fixed it.



I seem to have all the requisites for failure - a quad core, windows 7, etc. But I have plenty of system and it crashes my computer - turns it off - after about 5 minutes of play. I was going well til the recent patch 1.1b and now it is not playable.



But I have paid my money.

[Dex1701]

chockobumster wrote...

Like a game of tennis, but I do not agree "I shold wait patiently for a patch to arrive" without comment.

I also paid for the game. If they wanted me to offer an advance on the fully functioning game while they were trying to get it to work, they should have said so. I'd have loaned them a few bucks and they could patiently wait for the rest before they fixed it.

Here's what doesn't seem to be getting across:  they did test the game, and they felt in was in a state that could be released.  They cannot know about every potential issue before release.  This is an unfortunate fact, and will remain so as long as the landscape of the PC hardware world remains the way it is and OS architectures are the way they are.  Bioware did not screw you on purpose.  There are always problems that need to be patched after release because they didn't show up in testing.

I dunno...maybe I have a different perspective on this because I'm a senior software engineer myself and I know the realities of these types of things.  Software (especially games software) is extremely difficult to test on such a heterogeneous platform.  Platforms like consoles and Mac have an easier time because they're locked down and have little variety in their potential configurations.

chockobumster wrote...
I seem to have all the requisites for failure - a quad core, windows 7, etc. But I have plenty of system and it crashes my computer - turns it off - after about 5 minutes of play.  I was going well til the recent patch 1.1b and now it is not playable.

I'm personally running:

Core2Quad Q9550
EVGA GeForce GTX 285
8GB RAM
Creative X-Fi ExtremeGamer
Windows 7 Professional x64

I haven't had a single problem with DA:O with the 1.1b patch after about 80 hours of playing (I know...good for me).  I'd suggest downloading the latest update for the Visual C++ runtime library.  If that doesn't help, try uninstalling the game and re-installing it without applying the patch.  Try again when the next patch is released.

[B33ker]

I would have been amazed beyond belief to see a major patch within a month of release for a couple of reasons.

1) It takes a lot longer to patch several million lines of existing code and not break even more things than it does to write fresh new code where you don't need to worry about affecting other things.

2) EA isn't going to put a lot of cash into funding the hours needed for a patch as I'm sure they are pushing hard now for a sequel and more DLC to strike while the cashflow iron is hot.

DA:O isn't the only game to have issues at launch, and it won't be the last.  Borderlands had/has it's share of issues, as does MW2 right now.

The  majority of people are having few to no issues playing, and it's never fun to be in the minority of people who are having issues, but in PC gaming it will always be that way.  With over 1 billion possible hardware and driver configurations out there, there's no way coders can ever hit a perfect 100%.  They can code the best they can, and still get screwed up when a driver from a hardware company doesn't want to play nice because the driver team took shortcuts to "just make it work".  After all, what do NVidia/ATI/Intel give a care if DA:O doesn't work because of something they did?  They don't have to directly deal with it most of the time.

If you have specific problems, post a nice detailed list and those of us here will do our best to help, if you just want to compain to complain, you'll get no sympathy from anyone, as you just come across sounding like yet another forum troll.

[Apex Sammoth]

I understand how it works there is no need to expalin it. The thing is how many games do we have to put up with this kinda selling point. I am talking as a consumer not a PC Tech, Gammer, Software Engineer. I talking about the way they continue to advertise these things as such and turn out not to be as Advertised. I am sorry I mean they have my money and I have yet to play the game and enjoy it as Advertised. Look Don't get me wrong I know it will be fixed but, seriously why should anyone buy any game ( and not talking about just this one) the day of release "Oh wait they Hook Line And Sink your with free In-Game crap". Maybe they should work more on debugging then worrying about adding DLC and in game crap so you pre-order it.



Example: On the Box it Clearly states.



From The Makers Of Mass Effect tm comes



The Dark Fantasy Epic

You are a Grey Warden, one of the last legendary order of gaurdians.With the return of an ancient foe and the kingdom engulfed in civil war,you have been chosen by fate to unite the shattered lands and slay the archdemon once and for all.



But Now I feel like



You are a Sucker, one of the last legendary order of consumers. With the return of a New Buggy Game Release and the lack of tech support, you have been chosen by EA/Bioware to deal and wait on a patch once and for all after you dished out your hard earned cash for this lovely title.



LOL

On A lite Note I can always hope the patch will be here soon like many others on this board.

[Robert91C]

For those of you who are having your computer shut itself down after playing for a while, please stop until a patch is released or keep a closer eye on your CPU temp. Imagine running your car engine up to 8000 RPM, having the computer shut it down due to overheating, then doing that again... over and over.

Autocad, with multiple views open, doesn't heat up my CPU or use resources like DAO. I understand that EA can't test every computer system but the "memory leak" is commonplace for too many customers for me to believe it wasn't noticed prior to release.

As for all the talk of, "they're working hard on a patch"... according to whom? Because wishful thinkers say so? I'd appreciate knowing how many people are actually working on support as opposed to the DLC and upcoming expansion. We have ample evidence that huge resources are being put into those two areas.

There is very little evidence that resources are being put into the support department for a patch.

Would anyone who has had an issue with DAO dispute that Dateranoth and JironGhrad on the Unofficial Troubleshooting board have provided far more help to frustrated customers than the official support team? Anyone?

For now, I second the OP.

Modifié par Robert91C, 04 décembre 2009 - 12:27 .

[Aghix]

Robert91C wrote...

For those of you who are having your computer shut itself down after playing for a while, please stop until a patch is released or keep a closer eye on your CPU temp. Imagine running your car engine up to 8000 RPM, having the computer shut it down due to overheating, then doing that again... over and over.

Autocad, with multiple views open, doesn't heat up my CPU or use resources like DAO. I understand that EA can't test every computer system but the "memory leak" is commonplace for too many customers for me to believe it wasn't noticed prior to release.

As for all the talk of, "they're working hard on a patch"... according to whom? Because wishful thinkers say so? I'd appreciate knowing how many people are actually working on support as opposed to the DLC and upcoming expansion. We have ample evidence that huge resources are being put into those two areas.

There is very little evidence that resources are being put into the support department for a patch.

Would anyone who has had an issue with DAO dispute that Dateranoth and JironGhrad on the Unofficial Troubleshooting board have provided far more help to frustrated customers than the official support team? Anyone?

For now, I second the OP.

http://social.biowar.../index/114300/8

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half way down the page. read. though, it still doesnt re assure me. i didnt buy the game because i needed another brick. i have enough paperweights.

[Matthew Young CT]

Robert91C wrote...
For those of you who are having your computer shut itself down after playing for a while, please stop until a patch is released or keep a closer eye on your CPU temp. Imagine running your car engine up to 8000 RPM, having the computer shut it down due to overheating, then doing that again... over and over.

It's not really a good comparison because cars aren't supposed to run like that for extended periods. Your CPU/GPU on the other hand are. If you're overheating from 100% usage you need better cooling.

As for all the talk of, "they're working hard on a patch"... according to whom?

Bioware?

Because wishful thinkers say so? I'd appreciate knowing how many people are actually working on support as opposed to the DLC and upcoming expansion. We have ample evidence that huge resources are being put into those two areas.

What evidence? I'm honestly curious, I want an expansion

There is very little evidence that resources are being put into the support department for a patch.

What sort of evidence would you expect?

Would anyone who has had an issue with DAO dispute that Dateranoth and JironGhrad on the Unofficial Troubleshooting board have provided far more help to frustrated customers than the official support team? Anyone?

For now, I second the OP.

I don't think many people would defend EA's support...or anything about them really..

[Jedi_blues]

My contact with EA support has not been very helpful.



I have two main issues, the shale quest/village is not in the game even though it is installed and checked in the installed content tab. The two item DLCs are in the game but the Stone Prisoner for the most part is not, with the notable exception of loot.



The other issue is the content download interface. Everything I have downloaded has been manually. Everything tried through the interface gets stuck on zero percent, and I can not see any new DLC in the available content tab. I've gone through all the options on this forum including ensuring the DA content downloader service was installed and manually removing and restarting the service, all to no avail.



The first EA rep I talked to was nice enough, but basically passed me on to a "Dragon Age Specialist". I waited almost two weeks to hear from this "specialist." No phone call, no in depth email asking me about my issue, just a form letter that dumped in a few FAQ's I've already tried.



Now I wait again.



For the most part, fortunately, the game works well for me. I get the odd CTD but that's it. You would think though if part of their profit model is based on DLCs they would be all over this problem.



Sadly, they are not, and I am left waiting again for an indefinite period of time, probably to just get handed another FAQ I have already tried.



I understand the problems tech support faces, I worked for Microsoft when Vista/IE7 launched. That was ugly. But at least we talked to people, and if they went to senior engineers they were called back. This FAQ dump business is frustrating as hell.

[jableskage]

my game works fine but i believe the majority have issues and that the release of broken DLC is not helping the community or the game. why not make the game future proof and then create DLC that everyone can enjoy on their respective PC's? creating DLC that will not work until a patch is released is absolutely child's play... sort it out EA/bioware!

[Crispy8181]

Sometimes I would almost be willing to pay money in order for someone like the op to allow me to spend 10 minutes with his system on my bench and then for me to be able to see the look on his face once I begin to diagnose all the problems with it.



Life is a long journey. The op has not learned much of it yet. Keep studying computer technology and learn from these experiences.



Either that or just keep on raging here on these forums. Whichever.