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[ScotGaymer]

Im beginning to think that there is no talking to the OP.



He is still after what 3 pages refusing to even consider the fact that all games are buggy and have problems on release and Dragon Age is no worse for this than any other game.

I wish it wasnt the case but alas it is.



In fact I think DAO is one of the better more stable games released in recent years. Has anyone seen the outstanding unresolved bug list for the Unofficial Patch Project for Fallout 3? More than 300 bugs outstanding and quite a few of them are game breaking and CTD causing. After 7 official patches, there are STILL CTD bugs in that game.

Compared to DAO which has released only ONE patch which is really more of a hotfix/interim patch than a proper patch and has how many bugs? Of which how many cause CTDs or break the game?



I myself have only had the game crash out on me twice and I think that was due more to the memory leak than anything else.

I have encountered 3 moderate to serious bugs myself. The Oghren bug, and the two DLC not giving quest bugs.

I have also encountered maybe a dozen or so smaller bugs. And Perhaps a myriad (maybe around 20) tiny bugs like typos in the codex and the Redcliff Completed quest thinking Arlessa Isolde is dead when you actually saved her.



So we are most definately talking less than 100 bugs. Compared to Fallout 3 which after SEVEN official patches still has more than triple the amount of bugs.

I would say that DAO is doing fairly well.



OP i fear you are just starting to come off a whiney troll now. No one has disagreed with you that there are bugs or issues with the game. No one has said that it must be ALL your fault.

People are just trying to point out as I have said twice now that ALL games have bugs and issues to begin with; and that a good few of them are usually caused by the user or his/her rig.

Thats all.

[Hurra_asbest]

chockobumster wrote...


If you think that weas a rant, you need to get access to a websters, or suck your thumb a cople of hours extra every day.

But thanks.

* SNIP! * (cutting out some text)

So thanks for your feedback. I am going to go the extra fan route as per your advice, but I have a big case with lots of airiness.

Well, I didn't mean you were the one who was ranting, I was referring to some of the other things going on in this thread.

It might be a good idea to try to check what temperatures your components go up to before investing in better cooling.
I hope you figure out what the problem is, so you can enjoy this great game.

Modifié par Hurra_asbest, 06 décembre 2009 - 09:32 .

[Apex Sammoth]

FitScotGaymer wrote...

Im beginning to think that there is no talking to the OP.

He is still after what 3 pages refusing to even consider the fact that all games are buggy and have problems on release and Dragon Age is no worse for this than any other game.
I wish it wasnt the case but alas it is.

In fact I think DAO is one of the better more stable games released in recent years. Has anyone seen the outstanding unresolved bug list for the Unofficial Patch Project for Fallout 3? More than 300 bugs outstanding and quite a few of them are game breaking and CTD causing. After 7 official patches, there are STILL CTD bugs in that game.
Compared to DAO which has released only ONE patch which is really more of a hotfix/interim patch than a proper patch and has how many bugs? Of which how many cause CTDs or break the game?

I myself have only had the game crash out on me twice and I think that was due more to the memory leak than anything else.
I have encountered 3 moderate to serious bugs myself. The Oghren bug, and the two DLC not giving quest bugs.
I have also encountered maybe a dozen or so smaller bugs. And Perhaps a myriad (maybe around 20) tiny bugs like typos in the codex and the Redcliff Completed quest thinking Arlessa Isolde is dead when you actually saved her.

So we are most definately talking less than 100 bugs. Compared to Fallout 3 which after SEVEN official patches still has more than triple the amount of bugs.
I would say that DAO is doing fairly well.

OP i fear you are just starting to come off a whiney troll now. No one has disagreed with you that there are bugs or issues with the game. No one has said that it must be ALL your fault.
People are just trying to point out as I have said twice now that ALL games have bugs and issues to begin with; and that a good few of them are usually caused by the user or his/her rig.
Thats all.

I am just ignoring you because you  are Trolling. You have a difference of Opinion from me witch is fine but you have yet to see things the other way from people. The Fact that you keep saying you disagree with me and saying the game is stable just makes you out to be a Troll too. So saying that I really don't care what you think. If you have read my last few post here you would know I already said there are issues with peoples configs with the game. I have also stated that I have tested evrything on my system, hardware & software.  You must think  I am stupid or something that I don't know games come with bugs. Hey I guess if you actually read my posts intead of passing me off as a "whiney troll" you would know this.LEARN 2 READ. I know the facts and the Facts are this game has a lot of issues there are tons of  Posts in the DAO PC tech Support area that are proof of that. Good for you I am happy for you that your game is stable on your system config. That is just not the case for everyone. So Keep Trolling on about how the game works fine. Next Time you post just think about what you are saying because it sure sounds like your Trolling to me.

Modifié par Apex Sammoth, 06 décembre 2009 - 10:03 .

[Apex Sammoth]

double post. Funny all i did was edit and submit it. LOL didn't someone just say somehting about this website / forums isn't even working right.

Modifié par Apex Sammoth, 06 décembre 2009 - 10:02 .

[B33ker]

Apex Sammoth wrote...
Bioware get the game working as Advertised already.

Um, it does for most people.

EA spent all the money they were willing to for testing, nothing anyone says will change that.

Now it's a matter of how much they want to spend on patching code and writing new DLC.

EA didn't do anything different than any other game company does nowadays, and they aren't going to break the bank buying up every single piece of hardware out there to test on.

You wouldn't do it if you were in their shoes, and if you did, you'd get fired for wasting money, thats how corporate America works today, like it or not.

[Apex Sammoth]

B33ker wrote...

Apex Sammoth wrote...
Bioware get the game working as Advertised already.

Um, it does for most people.

EA spent all the money they were willing to for testing, nothing anyone says will change that.

Now it's a matter of how much they want to spend on patching code and writing new DLC.

EA didn't do anything different than any other game company does nowadays, and they aren't going to break the bank buying up every single piece of hardware out there to test on.

You wouldn't do it if you were in their shoes, and if you did, you'd get fired for wasting money, thats how corporate America works today, like it or not.

I never said they have to purchase  all the hardware. Um thats why there is Beta testing... as I stated before they should of but, didn't spend more time on testing. I understand how corporateAmerica works thats why are economy in America is in such a fine state that it's in.LOL

Modifié par Apex Sammoth, 06 décembre 2009 - 10:31 .

[TsoBadGuy]

They just didn't finish the game. And we are suckers



<--- One game ending glitch, AND one DLC glitch. Rendering the save or content USELESS.



FINISH THE GAME BEFORE YOU RELEASE IT. If it has minor graphical issues you can debate the game is done. BUT IT IS SO EASY TO SCREW YOURSELF. Oh you did this? START ALL OVER!



Bioware is pathetic. Thanks for choosing EA you idiots. I'm no one and I could make better publishing choices. WOOOOOOOOOOOOW indeed my good sir.

[ScotGaymer]

Apex Sammoth wrote...

I am just ignoring you because you  are Trolling. You have a difference of Opinion from me witch is fine but you have yet to see things the other way from people. The Fact that you keep saying you disagree with me and saying the game is stable just makes you out to be a Troll too. So saying that I really don't care what you think. If you have read my last few post here you would know I already said there are issues with peoples configs with the game. I have also stated that I have tested evrything on my system, hardware & software.  You must think  I am stupid or something that I don't know games come with bugs. Hey I guess if you actually read my posts intead of passing me off as a "whiney troll" you would know this.LEARN 2 READ. I know the facts and the Facts are this game has a lot of issues there are tons of  Posts in the DAO PC tech Support area that are proof of that. Good for you I am happy for you that your game is stable on your system config. That is just not the case for everyone. So Keep Trolling on about how the game works fine. Next Time you post just think about what you are saying because it sure sounds like your Trolling to me.

*le sigh*

Seems to me like you are the one who needs to learn to read mate.

No where did i claim the game was "stable" or "bug free" . No Where. And niether has anyone else.

No one is actually disagreeing with your point that the game has bugs and issues. What people and myself are disagreeing with is your reaction.
That is you are vastly overreacting. The game is nowhere near as bad as what you make out.

If you want to see what a really buggy game looks like; as I have said a few times now. Go have a shot of the PC version of Fallout 3. I guarantee if you are this dramatic about bugs in DAO then F3 will make you top yourself.

Seriously. Grow up, stop trolling, and quit being rude and borderline abusive. Think before you post. Cos if you persist I WILL report you to the mods.

Im not going to reply to this thread anymore because clearly you are just trolling and spoiling for a fight.

[TUHD]

/facepalm



Oh ... my... a troll who accuses an reasonable person of being a troll?



/facepalms again



Everyone recognizes that there are some minor (but no real big major ones though) bugs in this game...



*wanders off to sent an report in about flaming/trolling*

[Apex Sammoth]

FitScotGaymer wrote...

Apex Sammoth wrote...

I am just ignoring you because you  are Trolling. You have a difference of Opinion from me witch is fine but you have yet to see things the other way from people. The Fact that you keep saying you disagree with me and saying the game is stable just makes you out to be a Troll too. So saying that I really don't care what you think. If you have read my last few post here you would know I already said there are issues with peoples configs with the game. I have also stated that I have tested evrything on my system, hardware & software.  You must think  I am stupid or something that I don't know games come with bugs. Hey I guess if you actually read my posts intead of passing me off as a "whiney troll" you would know this.LEARN 2 READ. I know the facts and the Facts are this game has a lot of issues there are tons of  Posts in the DAO PC tech Support area that are proof of that. Good for you I am happy for you that your game is stable on your system config. That is just not the case for everyone. So Keep Trolling on about how the game works fine. Next Time you post just think about what you are saying because it sure sounds like your Trolling to me.

Seems to me like you are the one who needs to learn to read mate.

No where did i claim the game was "stable" or "bug free" . No Where. And niether has anyone else.

No one is actually disagreeing with your point that the game has bugs and issues. What people and myself are disagreeing with is your reaction.
That is you are vastly overreacting. The game is nowhere near as bad as what you make out.

If you want to see what a really buggy game looks like; as I have said a few times now. Go have a shot of the PC version of Fallout 3. I guarantee if you are this dramatic about bugs in DAO then F3 will make you top yourself.

Seriously. Grow up, stop trolling, and quit being rude and borderline abusive. Think before you post. Cos if you persist I WILL report you to the mods.

Im not going to reply to this thread anymore because clearly you are just trolling and spoiling for a fight.

LOL

In fact I think DAO is one of the better more stable games released in recent years.

 


Yep you sure didn't say it was stable. "Report me to the Mods" is even funnier. Go right ahead...it is even funnier I didn't call you a "whiney Troll" or tell you to Grow up. I am speaking my mind and you don't like it good one. No my reaction is just that a ticked off consumer. Why do you care about my reaction? Seriously you didn't even have to respond to my thread but, you did.

If you seriously think that Memory Leaks, CTD's, 100% Processor issues, DLC Registry problems, and among the few Quest Bugs that you have to Debug the game in order to continue small bug then that’s your Opinion. I find that this unacceptable as a gamer / consumer that is it and that is my opinion and I am entitled to it.

Now to try patch 1.02 and see what that fixes.

Have A Nice Day

Modifié par Apex Sammoth, 07 décembre 2009 - 11:28 .

[Apex Sammoth]

TUHD wrote...

/facepalm

Oh ... my... a troll who accuses an reasonable person of being a troll?

/facepalms again

Everyone recognizes that there are some minor (but no real big major ones though) bugs in this game...

*wanders off to sent an report in about flaming/trolling*

A Troll who accuses a poster of being a Troll.

Good One.

Modifié par Apex Sammoth, 07 décembre 2009 - 10:59 .

[Titius.Vibius]

TsoBadGuy wrote...

They just didn't finish the game. And we are suckers



FINISH THE GAME BEFORE YOU RELEASE IT. If it has minor graphical issues you can debate the game is done. BUT IT IS SO EASY TO SCREW YOURSELF. Oh you did this? START ALL OVER!

Bioware is pathetic. Thanks for choosing EA you idiots. I'm no one and I could make better publishing choices. WOOOOOOOOOOOOW indeed my good sir.

You here too? Man this is absurd, talking to people without any sense of problem solving, I bet your alleged bugs are just quests you don't know how to solve or perhaps your helms are being handed to you over and over, insisting that playing in nighmare difficulty impresses wenches at the Pearl to sleep with you. Man you are so low, an idiot to be precise. Quit the forum already. /geez /facepalm

[Diviancea]

Talking to consumers from a tech support perspective is like talking to a religious zeallot hellbound on 72 virgins, There are people who can understand the scope of work involved into testing and building patches/software. However these are quite rare.

I sugest you get some diagnostics running on your pc to see what actually happens when the game has an error.

Things like cpu temp, and rivatuner for the temp readings of your CPU/GPU
Run memtest see if that helps.
Defrag your harddrive.
Go to the systems event log to see if anything weird has been logged during a crash. etc..
Test how much peak and sustained wattage your system uses and if your powr supply is upto handling it.

If all this comes out clean run heavy stress and load testing software. And several antiviral programs. Not just one but two maybe even three. "Why?" might one ask, well this is because antiviral software packages usually use their own patented search methods and algorithms. Also during gameplay turn off the antiviral software.

If you can prove to me (or us) that you did all of these things and that your PC is squeeky clean of errors and viral infections then maybe I will consider that this problem might not be on your end,

Btw i personally was having issues with this game, and I solved it after I found out my voltage settings were too high on my CPU. Oddly enough i did not have any issues with other games or software, but as soon as i lowered the voltage it all went well. (and my clock freq from 4.2 to 3.8 )

Modifié par Diviancea, 08 décembre 2009 - 01:41 .

[Apex Sammoth]

Diviancea wrote...

Talking to consumers from a tech support perspective is like talking to a religious zeallot hellbound on 72 virgins, There are people who can understand the scope of work involved into testing and building patches/software. However these are quite rare.

I sugest you get some diagnostics running on your pc to see what actually happens when the game has an error.

Things like cpu temp, and rivatuner for the temp readings of your CPU/GPU
Run memtest see if that helps.
Defrag your harddrive.
Go to the systems event log to see if anything weird has been logged during a crash. etc..
Test how much peak and sustained wattage your system uses and if your powr supply is upto handling it.

If all this comes out clean run heavy stress and load testing software. And several antiviral programs. Not just one but two maybe even three. "Why?" might one ask, well this is because antiviral software packages usually use their own patented search methods and algorithms. Also during gameplay turn off the antiviral software.

If you can prove to me (or us) that you did all of these things and that your PC is squeeky clean of errors and viral infections then maybe I will consider that this problem might not be on your end,

Btw i personally was having issues with this game, and I solved it after I found out my voltage settings were too high on my CPU. Oddly enough i did not have any issues with other games or software, but as soon as i lowered the voltage it all went well. (and my clock freq from 4.2 to 3.8 )

Look I did all my tests as I said above. I don't have to PROVE anything esp. when others and not just me are having the same issues. Oh Lemme run this by you too since you don't want to blame the game. When the game came out and the memory leak,ctd,processor isssue was present a Rep from Bioware said they where aware of the issues. SO all in all that means it is there and it's the game. They just haven't patched it yet.

[Dreogan]

If the game worked on -his- system he wouldn't be raging like this.

[LillithMabon]

Bioware are not responsible for EA and EA are not responsible for Bioware. The only reason EA does the "official support" is because they "own" Bioware and hold the purse strings and want as much control as possible.

If EA owns Bioware they are responsible for it. But thankfully I havent had any game ending problems. Thing is, not everyone (like me) are computer techies and dont know how to resolve their own problems. When something is released it should be running so anyone can play without such bad problems. Uhmmmm,,, I thing that is what Alpha and Beta testing is for ? or am I totally out of the loop on this, Are those people that are having problems paying to be their lab rats?

[OneBadAssMother]

No problems for me either, it's pretty much as stable as I expect from Bioware games - as in, 0 crashers. I'm surprised people even get ONE crash in this game, and I'm using a very old rig.

[ScotGaymer]

Apex no offense here but you are clearly an idiot.



Note my word choice. MORE STABLE.



I didnt say it was totally stable and bug free that you seem to be assuming and insinuating that I am saying.



I haven't and won't. So quit your crap and stop being an ass.

[NolandTanner]

You have to love the hundreds and hundreds of posts in technical support about issues with the game and not one post by a dev telling how to fix them. Then when someone realizes this and comes out to say it all the same people crying about the game not working comes out and defends bioware.



Personally i agree BIOWARE you ****** me off i cant play a game i payed $70 bucks for. Fix this or at least respond with a rep from your company and not forum noobs who think they know everything. Personally until issues like memory leak are fixed im not gonna buy one thing from them.



Cry all you want about how boycotting them wont help because it will. It will force them to realize customer support is more than a forum but a process where you SUPPORT THE CUSTOMER!!!!

[OneBadAssMother]

Reading this thread is like watching an episode of AGK - Angry German Kid on youtube

[NewYears1978]

Sorry but the OP is right..the organization of support for this game is very poor. I appreciate that BioWare is fairly active on the forums and there is a wealth of information on the forums..but there is no real support directly from BioWare other than as someone said, searching pages and pages of posts and information. This is despite the fact that you should even HAVE to search for "workarounds" for bugs in a game...

Still quite enjoying the game..and it is working well for me despite a few minor bugs here and there (except when I had reformatted my game got severely broken and I had many of the known bugs..that I WAS able to solve by using the forums..which took forever to find the information needed)

Also the mere fact that a simple texture fix has not been released just shows how lacking the support is..releasing this fix should have been in the first or at least that last patch (that took nearly a month)...but still..it is not...

Oh well...Staying away from ME2 for sure..not worth the headaches..

Modifié par NewYears1978, 08 décembre 2009 - 11:36 .

[OneBadAssMother]

I have to admit though, the search function is simply useless. Even though I have no problems with the game I know how it is when a game doesn't work and you feel ripped off.



It doesnt justify childish behaviour however, attacking everyone trying to help even if they aren't staff is simply un-necessary. It makes this thread more entertainment then anything else and as if the Devs would even want to look into this. It's probably flagged as a troll thread.



The forum itself needs some changes.

[Crispy8181]

See, at least NewYears puts up a coherent, reasonable argument. The op does not. In fact, it's sickening how thickheaded and typical the op is in his ranting. I picture him to be some sort of developmentally-challenged kid though, so I guess it may not be his "fault".

[Pocket4s]

30, 40, or even 100 people with issues in the support forums
don't represent a statistically significant percentage of people that purchased
the product.

This is true if you assume, quite incorrectly, that everyone
who encounters the problem comes to post about it. In fact, only about 1% of
the people who experience problems will bother going to forums to post about
it, so complaints from 500 users represents 50,000 people actually
experiencing the problem.

Anyway, all games have some bugs/annoyances. What you as a
player can do is be helpful, polite, and submit useful information to the
developer to help them research the problem.

The problem has been reported. It is acknowledged by
Bioware. There is no research necessary. It is a MEMORY LEAK. Run the software through an analysis suite, identify the leaks, and patch the holes. Simple as that.

The issue here is that they have released THREE patches without
addressing the single biggest game-breaking issue that they themselves acknowledge
exists. Spending development resources on balance issues and tweaks when there’s
a hole in your memory management the size of an iceberg is irresponsible and
disrespectful to the players.

Everyone recognizes that there are some minor (but no real
big major ones though) bugs in this game...

Everyone, really? ‘cause I sure as Hell seem to see hundreds
of people talking about the need to RESTART THEIR GAME every 15-60 minutes to
enjoy it. Are you going to sit there with a straight face and tell me that
doesn’t point to a “real big major” bug?

Modifié par Pocket4s, 08 décembre 2009 - 08:32 .

[JironGhrad]

Pocket4s wrote...

The problem has been reported. It is acknowledged by
Bioware. There is no research necessary. It is a MEMORY LEAK. Run the software through an analysis suite, identify the leaks, and patch the holes. Simple as that.

The issue here is that they have released THREE patches without
addressing the single biggest game-breaking issue that they themselves acknowledge
exists. Spending development resources on balance issues and tweaks when there’s
a hole in your memory management the size of an iceberg is irresponsible and
disrespectful to the players.

The problem is (and simply doing a little research will prove) that they know there are issues... but the reason they've been quiet is that it's not a true memory leak.  The fact that some percentage of people have been able to work around it with CPU affinity and other troubleshooting techniques clearly proves that it's a problem with multi-core CPU handling. A true memory leak affects every user of a program who uses it; but I've been here since day 1 and there aren't tons of players who have the minimum RAM requirements (1.5 to 2 GBs) complaining of slow downs and crashes and whatnot.  I only have 2 GB of RAM myself and if it were leaking I should experience frequent memory outages crashing my system, but I haven't, despite not restarting the game for over 60 hours at one stretch.