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[Lucky7xKiki]

i understand that major bugs take time to fix and im ok with that

BUT

theres a bunch of tiny little bugs bieng reported on this site evry day they have yet to fix
did bioware give up on this game? i sure hope not its really fun...

[Matthew Young CT]

Of course they haven't given up on it. A Bioware guy said there'd be a changelist and release date in the next couple days.

[Bor1]

It sounds good %)

[Chryyz]

Keep in mind, the most efficient way to handle the "little things" is to shoot them down and release as many fixes as possible along with the big ones. Nobody wants to download hundreds of 50KB patches

[Starmartyr]

Chryyz wrote...

Keep in mind, the most efficient way to handle the "little things" is to shoot them down and release as many fixes as possible along with the big ones. Nobody wants to download hundreds of 50KB patches

I fully disagree. Nobody wants to download a huge 3 hour patch all at once when they could take 30 seconds to download a 50 kb patch every couple of days.

[git2]

don't forget about testing and QA phase. console owners are also waiting for their fixes. i think the release date must be the same with next DLC

[Fieryspirit]

Stop finding bugs, and they can stop adding to the fix list!

But in all seriousness, patching is a long process. Devs have to identify bugs or report them, then send them along to the appropriate team to fix, then get the patch QA tested before they can be released. After all, no one wants another patch that fixes some things but breaks other things (Patch 1.01b, i'm looking at you.)

Consoles have it worse, they have to go through another layer (Microsoft or PSN authorization) before it can be released, so be thankful you're playing the PC version :x (No console hate implied. Read between the lines at your own risk)

Modifié par Fieryspirit, 02 décembre 2009 - 04:52 .

[Gebut]

I wish Bioware would be a little more active on these forum regarding info on patches. All we get now is some vague post once a week.
They must have messed pretty big with the way the dlc works, since so many people seem to have problem with it, and they still havnt released anything to fix it since launch.
At least we kinda got a deadline for the patch, since the new dlc is coming out. No way they can release new dlc with so much trouble with the old ones. Atleast I hope so.

Modifié par Gebut, 02 décembre 2009 - 04:54 .

[Matthew Young CT]

Only Bioware knows how much trouble there actually was. The people with problems could well be 1% of the total users.



There's not much more they can do regarding telling people about the patch. It's pointless posting every day that they are indeed still working on the patch. They also can't post a WIP changelist, because if they have to cut a fix for whatever reason people will moan like there's no tomorrow.

[Zardoz]

Rather than release a patch they would be better off releasing the game in it's original state it was in back in April when it was ready for release before EA carved it up for a quick buck on DLC.

[Matthew Young CT]

It wasn't carved up. Shale was too buggy (too big for example, they had to "chisel" him) and unfinished to make it into the April release. We wouldn't have had him at all without a DLC team.

[Anduin335]

Sell the game with big hype and make sure to get a bunch of DLC before the hype fades. They will make the most money that way. Refunds are near impossible to gete for video games so they won't lose much. They will then fix the game at a later date. Everything is going according to schedule.

[jableskage]

Anduin335 wrote...

Sell the game with big hype and make sure to get a bunch of DLC before the hype fades. They will make the most money that way. Refunds are near impossible to gete for video games so they won't lose much. They will then fix the game at a later date. Everything is going according to schedule.

agreed

[-Zippi-]

Cant wait for a patch that removes the lagging and 5 min loadingtimes... This must be top priority as it is gamebreaking. I have to play the PS3 version now and it is a BIG step down.



Probably to much to hope for, but if a Bioware-guy can say that they know about the problem and hope to include it in the next patch - it would be a fantastic relief.



(I am sure there are nothing wrong with my PC as it is very new, and runs tons of other games (including Crysis) perfect.

[Kunikos]

All I know is that the Stone Prisoner DLC is super buggy and it makes me mad as hell.

[Tobebech1307]

-Zippi- wrote...

Cant wait for a patch that removes the lagging and 5 min loadingtimes... This must be top priority as it is gamebreaking. I have to play the PS3 version now and it is a BIG step down.

Probably to much to hope for, but if a Bioware-guy can say that they know about the problem and hope to include it in the next patch - it would be a fantastic relief.

(I am sure there are nothing wrong with my PC as it is very new, and runs tons of other games (including Crysis) perfect.

The long loading times are been looking into, they have said that, but about lagging i can't give you an answer.

[superhpman]

I found that take taking out a bunch of redundant save files from my save directory helped to speed up my load times (though I did have close to 300 at one point)

[Skodmunk]

Bioware doesn't exist anymore, only EA exist. And EA want's to make money, not patches.

Modifié par Skodmunk, 02 décembre 2009 - 07:40 .

[sambuka]

If they had sorted / tested the game before they released it there wouldn't be any patches.

People seem to want and expect patches for games these days. It's like people wanting Antibiotics every time they visit the Doctor.

As long as people expect patches for games, games houses will continue to deliver rubbish and patch it as they go.

What about right first time? and Customer first?.. does this philosophy not apply to game houses? Or do they know that we will accept any old rubbish? Computer gaming is big business these days running into billions of £ / $, Until people stand up and demand quality, then sub standard gaming will continue

It's a poor show to release games that need a major patched before it can be played...

Money first patch later? seesm to be the future ... apparantly

Modifié par sambuka, 02 décembre 2009 - 07:51 .

[Varenus Luckmann]

Matthew Young CT wrote...

Of course they haven't given up on it. A Bioware guy said there'd be a changelist and release date in the next couple days.

Isn't that the regular party line, though?

"We are aware of this issue and is working to correct it. There will be a changelist and release date in the following days. Thank you for your patience."

[Mythrell]

Varenus Luckmann wrote...

Matthew Young CT wrote...

Of course they haven't given up on it. A Bioware guy said there'd be a changelist and release date in the next couple days.

Isn't that the regular party line, though?

"We are aware of this issue and is working to correct it. There will be a changelist and release date in the following days. Thank you for your patience."

Sounds like something I say when I don't know if anyone is working on the issue but the client keeps asking if its going to be fixed. :happy:


But seriously, if bioware guy would come in and say "f* it, we don't know what's wrong nor care, patch will be out if someone cares enough to do it", would it be any better? Silence is usually the best option for them until the patch is out.

[ITSSEXYTIME]

Just be patient.



They have to fix issues on all 3 platforms, with the PC having varying different hardware specs and software incompatibilities to contend with. (Across multiple digital and retail distributions of the game)

[dsequinox]

sambuka wrote...

As long as people expect patches for games, games houses will continue to deliver rubbish and patch it as they go.

What about right first time? and Customer first?.. does this philosophy not apply to game houses? Or do they know that we will accept any old rubbish? Computer gaming is big business these days running into billions of £ / $, Until people stand up and demand quality, then sub standard gaming will continue

Why not?  Microsoft's been delivering mediocre products that have to be patched for years for decades now.  Y'all have to keep in mind game houses aren't the only ones doing this.  All of us have gotten sold on this 'Gotta have it now, whether it works right or not!' mentality. 

Not to mention it's difficult to program for everybody's machine when PC components are made by many, many companies, and some work better than others, and some components get along better with other components.  There's just too many combinations to anticipate, much less test, everything. 

All that said, there's still no reason to release a product that doesn't run when you try to load it, or that'll run when you first boot your computer, but not 10 minutes after your computer's been up. (My current problem.  I can't even run in fullscreen mode anymore, have to play it windowed)  So yeah, i guess we either be patient, or we stop buying the games.  I know which one I'm going to choose, though I remember now why I don't break the 6 month rule.

edit: rewording for clarification.

Modifié par dsequinox, 02 décembre 2009 - 09:23 .

[ITSSEXYTIME]

dsequinox wrote...

sambuka wrote...

As long as people expect patches for games, games houses will continue to deliver rubbish and patch it as they go.

What about right first time? and Customer first?.. does this philosophy not apply to game houses? Or do they know that we will accept any old rubbish? Computer gaming is big business these days running into billions of £ / $, Until people stand up and demand quality, then sub standard gaming will continue

Why not?  Microsoft's been delivering mediocre products that have to be patched for years for decades now.  Y'all have to keep in mind game houses aren't the only ones doing this.  All of us have gotten sold on this 'Gotta have it now, whether it works right or not!' mentality. 

Not to mention it's difficult to program for everybody's machine when PC components are made by many, many companies, and some work better than others, and some components get along better with other components.  There's just too many combinations to anticipate, much less test, everything. 

All that said, there's still no reason to release a product that doesn't run when you try to load it, or that'll run when you first boot your computer, but not 10 minutes after your computer's been up. (My current problem.  I can't even run in fullscreen mode anymore, have to play it windowed)  So yeah, i guess we either be patient, or we stop buying the games.  I know which one I'm going to choose, though I remember now why I don't break the 6 month rule.

edit: rewording for clarification.

90% of all software problems are user or hardware related you know.

10% are actual bugs with the software itself.

[Bor1]

ITSSEXYTIME wrote...
90% of all software problems are user or hardware related you know.

10% are actual bugs with the software itself.

Do you programmer or QA?
What do you mean "user related bug"? The bug appears as result of user action(s) always.
If a button present and on clicking the button an application crashes this is not user-related bug... all combination of user's actions and combinations  should be tested.
In the reality count of hardware-related bugs around of 20%
An application should pass configuration test with using all range of supported hardware (can be limited by excluding similar chip-sets - consultation with chip-makers is required).

Close beta testing expands range of hardware to be tested... Then release...  and bugs to be always. It is impossible to find/fix all bugs inside of an application. It is axiom.

The bugs and crashes are one side of the medal... absence of developers feedback - this is real problem for the DA:O.
IMHO.