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[Silmane]

The thing is that EA could make Mass Effect 3 5000 times over with the bank they make from the Battlefield and sports franchises they have out. There was absolutely no reason what so ever to have multiplayer in this game. There was no reason for Kinect functionality either. This was all wasted development time on ME3 to satisfy EA's demands.

I PROMISE you Bioware would not have this crap in the game if they were still independent.

It happened to Dead Space, also. EA wants to dominate the online gaming networks as much as they can and the only reason Dragon Age didn't have multiplayer is because it's not a herp derp shooting game.

EA and Activision killing the industry as quick as they can. You know, not the sales, but content. GOOD content.

[Phrogger]

Uh, you don't have to play multiplayer to have the best ending... You just have to complete most of the content and side quests to max the combat effectiveness! (Which means enjoying all the great content that they put in the game). How is that a bad thing?!

[sistersafetypin]

I'll sign on in agreement. I am ready to act like this all fiasco never happened... Nobody likes break ups, I'm hoping we can repair our relationship with Bioware

[Tehzim]

stuka1000 wrote...

I agree completely. I feel sad for Bioware that they must now bow down to these faceless corporate drones sat in EA's ivory tower. Multiplayer should never have been a part of this game, all it achieved was to take away development time and money from the single player experience which has always been the focus of the ME series; resulting in cut corners ( conversations with no player input apart from pressing the spacebar, missions that were clearly penned in at some point to be full missions but that turned into simple planet scans ( The Elcor ) and yes, the terrible ending ). Then to rub salt in the wounds Emilly Wong was killed off on twitter ( a medium not everyone bothers with ) to make room for an employee of IGN that would ensure the game got good ratings, just incase the advertising money wasn't enough. Bioware would never have been guilty of these things before they were swallowed by EA and they have my sympathies.

The stuff in bold I definitely agree with.  It's not just the ending that is messed up, but if the ending was good, they were things I could overlook.  I wouldn't mind paying for ending type DLC if it was of the length and quality of "Lair of the Shadow Broker and not "The Arrrival" which was short.

[lucidfox]

tenojitsu wrote...

The fact that this series is even being compared to Star Wars is

...an insult to Mass Effect.

Well, unless we take the ME3 ending into account.

Seriously, a comparison to Star Wars, or Star Trek for that matter, is not helping.

[tenojitsu]

Phrogger wrote...

Uh, you don't have to play multiplayer to have the best ending... You just have to complete most of the content and side quests to max the combat effectiveness! (Which means enjoying all the great content that they put in the game). How is that a bad thing?!

two complete playthroughs with imported characters with everyone surviving, completing all possible sidequests, resolving all possible conflicts peacefully in ME3 and ending up somewhere around 7200-7300 Total Military Strength is telling me that multiplayer it is required for best ending. Also, some PC gamers have ripped apart the game and found that all the war assets in the game add up to something like 7500 TMS. I you have proof that 10,000 TMS is available in the game, please share.

[Navywife64]

Very good post. Thank you. Have fun, be kind and Hugs.

[tenojitsu]

lucidfox wrote...

tenojitsu wrote...

The fact that this series is even being compared to Star Wars is

...an insult to Mass Effect.

Well, unless we take the ME3 ending into account.

Seriously, a comparison to Star Wars, or Star Trek for that matter, is not helping.

I dont think this is the correct place to start debating the quality of Star Wars.

EDIT: If Mass Effect endured as long as the Star Wars franchise has, and made even 1/10th the revenue, I would imagine it would be one of if not the most successful video game franchise of all time.

Modifié par tenojitsu, 30 mars 2012 - 04:53 .

[Dendio1]

Are used games worth it? Game stop sells them for 5 dollars less. At this point free online pass makes used games more expensive than new. I see game stop lowering the price of used games to compensate. This is a good thing

Modifié par Dendio1, 30 mars 2012 - 04:52 .

[tenojitsu]

Dendio1 wrote...

Are used games worth it? Game stop sells them for 5 dollars less. At this point free online pass makes used games more expensive than new. I see game stop lowering the price of used games to compensate. This is a good thing

Right now used copies are only $5 cheaper, but as time goes down the price will drop even further. What about bringing the game to a friends house, or people who subscribe to gamefly. It's a way to get money from all of these people.

I'm not saying that buying a used game, borrowing a game, or using gamefly is worth it, and is not the point here. If someone feels like saving $5 on a used game, that's their choice.

[Silmane]

lucidfox wrote...

tenojitsu wrote...

The fact that this series is even being compared to Star Wars is

...an insult to Mass Effect.

Well, unless we take the ME3 ending into account.

Seriously, a comparison to Star Wars, or Star Trek for that matter, is not helping.

Is this a joke? Without Star Wars or Star Trek there wouldn't BE a Mass Effect. 

You better be trolling harder than a million suns, cause you just goofed. 

I hope I'm tired and read what you said wrong, cause holy cow.

[Naltair]

tenojitsu wrote...
Not sure how else to sell online passes if its strictly a single player game. If they would require an online pass just to connect to the servers for whatever reason, it would be too obvious that it a scam for more money. By linking single player to multiplayer they can always claim that they are charging for the pass because they are giving you something for that investment, the multiplayer mode (which is true).

Why link the multiplayer mode with single player? The only answer I can come up with is to get players to play the multiplayer mode. I highly doubt if EA never invented online passes in the first place and they didnt exist , there would be no link between the two. Can you think of any reasons why to have the two mode linked? I cant.

Not sure?

They did the same exact thing with Mass Effect 2 and called it the Cerberus Network, it was essentially an online pass to get content.  It only came free with new games.

[tenojitsu]

Silmane wrote...

lucidfox wrote...

tenojitsu wrote...

The fact that this series is even being compared to Star Wars is

...an insult to Mass Effect.

Well, unless we take the ME3 ending into account.

Seriously, a comparison to Star Wars, or Star Trek for that matter, is not helping.

Is this a joke? Without Star Wars or Star Trek there wouldn't BE a Mass Effect. 

You better be trolling harder than a million suns, cause you just goofed. 

I hope I'm tired and read what you said wrong, cause holy cow.

Pretty sure you read it right, but lets just ignore this one. By the way, I agree with you.

[Silmane]

Naltair wrote...

tenojitsu wrote...
Not sure how else to sell online passes if its strictly a single player game. If they would require an online pass just to connect to the servers for whatever reason, it would be too obvious that it a scam for more money. By linking single player to multiplayer they can always claim that they are charging for the pass because they are giving you something for that investment, the multiplayer mode (which is true).

Why link the multiplayer mode with single player? The only answer I can come up with is to get players to play the multiplayer mode. I highly doubt if EA never invented online passes in the first place and they didnt exist , there would be no link between the two. Can you think of any reasons why to have the two mode linked? I cant.

Not sure?

They did the same exact thing with Mass Effect 2 and called it the Cerberus Network, it was essentially an online pass to get content.  It only came free with new games.

Wrong. You don't need Cerberus Network to get any of the main content in ME2. It is absolutely not a requirement for any of the endings.

[Silmane]

tenojitsu wrote...

Silmane wrote...

lucidfox wrote...

tenojitsu wrote...

The fact that this series is even being compared to Star Wars is

...an insult to Mass Effect.

Well, unless we take the ME3 ending into account.

Seriously, a comparison to Star Wars, or Star Trek for that matter, is not helping.

Is this a joke? Without Star Wars or Star Trek there wouldn't BE a Mass Effect. 

You better be trolling harder than a million suns, cause you just goofed. 

I hope I'm tired and read what you said wrong, cause holy cow.

Pretty sure you read it right, but lets just ignore this one. By the way, I agree with you.

You don't have a choice in agreeing with me. I'm not being hostile with you with that, but yeah, you already know what's up.

[tenojitsu]

Naltair wrote...

tenojitsu wrote...
Not sure how else to sell online passes if its strictly a single player game. If they would require an online pass just to connect to the servers for whatever reason, it would be too obvious that it a scam for more money. By linking single player to multiplayer they can always claim that they are charging for the pass because they are giving you something for that investment, the multiplayer mode (which is true).

Why link the multiplayer mode with single player? The only answer I can come up with is to get players to play the multiplayer mode. I highly doubt if EA never invented online passes in the first place and they didnt exist , there would be no link between the two. Can you think of any reasons why to have the two mode linked? I cant.

Not sure?

They did the same exact thing with Mass Effect 2 and called it the Cerberus Network, it was essentially an online pass to get content.  It only came free with new games.

I wasnt aware that they charged for the Cerberus network connection. Can anyone confirm this?

[Naltair]

It cost like 10 or 15 bucks if you bought the game second hand.

[Naltair]

Silmane wrote...

Wrong. You don't need Cerberus Network to get any of the main content in ME2. It is absolutely not a requirement for any of the endings.

Multiplayer is not vital, it assists in getting the "best" so-called ending but you get all the content in the game otherwise.

[tenojitsu]

Silmane wrote...

tenojitsu wrote...

Silmane wrote...

lucidfox wrote...

tenojitsu wrote...

The fact that this series is even being compared to Star Wars is

...an insult to Mass Effect.

Well, unless we take the ME3 ending into account.

Seriously, a comparison to Star Wars, or Star Trek for that matter, is not helping.

Is this a joke? Without Star Wars or Star Trek there wouldn't BE a Mass Effect. 

You better be trolling harder than a million suns, cause you just goofed. 

I hope I'm tired and read what you said wrong, cause holy cow.

Pretty sure you read it right, but lets just ignore this one. By the way, I agree with you.

You don't have a choice in agreeing with me. I'm not being hostile with you with that, but yeah, you already know what's up.

Not sure what you mean by I dont have a choice in agreeing with you. Let's just try to keep this from becoming a Star Wars vs Mass Effect battle. Thanks

[tenojitsu]

Naltair wrote...

It cost like 10 or 15 bucks if you bought the game second hand.

But is there anything in the Cerberus network that would prohibit from all the characters surviving the suicide mission if you dont have it?

[tenojitsu]

Naltair wrote...

Silmane wrote...

Wrong. You don't need Cerberus Network to get any of the main content in ME2. It is absolutely not a requirement for any of the endings.

Multiplayer is not vital, it assists in getting the "best" so-called ending but you get all the content in the game otherwise.

Rather than "assist" from what I've read from people, as well from my own experience in both of my playthroughs it is "required" to get the extra scene. So basically, the content is locked unless you have an online pass and play online.

If someone could somehow confirm that 10,000 total military strength is possible in this game, please share.

[Naltair]

tenojitsu wrote...

Naltair wrote...

It cost like 10 or 15 bucks if you bought the game second hand.

But is there anything in the Cerberus network that would prohibit from all the characters surviving the suicide mission if you dont have it?

Well technically you get Zaeed for free, whcih adds another heavy hitter for better survival of the suicide mission, so technically yes?

All I wanted to say is that the idea of an online pass is not new to ME3 they did a pretty similar thing in ME2, the only somewhat difference is that it affects multiplayer which ME2 did not have. Hell you could download the Mass Effect data pad and raise your Galactic Readiness, not as quickly but it can be done.

[spirosz]

They truly do have such a talented and amazing team, but when it's obvious that certain parts of the game were "more" focused compared to others. For example, I'm not hating on Liara, I love her romance arc, but it's obvious that her romance got the most care and attention compared to all the others, this relates to the producers and what they they want the money to be spent on, it's even been stated that their was a limited writing budget (which is understandable), but EA is a huge company, you think they'd be willing to invest more if it would produce better results for the fanbase and equal treatment for the characters, Certain ME2 Crew.

There was obvious "rushed" parts in the music department as well, look at ME1 and 2, each had a unique score - sure ME2 had two or three tracks that were from ME1, but they were mixed to still create a unique sound and were different from the original tracks - Vigil mix with the romance music on Horizon, parts of Saren's score was in Legion's track during his recruitment mission, etc. Now, don't get me wrong, I love the ME3 score, but why all the re-used tracks from ME2? Sure, if it's appropriate to have a certain track from the original game, then by all means put it in - they did this very well with using the one track from the Overlord DLC, when you see David Archer again - it fits with what's going on, that's the important thing. I felt like some of the tracks from ME2 were used as fillers and didn't fit with what was going on during some scenes, but that's just my opinion.

Don't even get me started with the cut and paste endings, the stock photo for Tali and the scene after the credits, where was the important budget for those scenes, lol... the face import issue, how can that be overlooked?

I love the MP, but again, not needed in this series, could any of that budget been used on the SP, we don't know, but I believe they stated it's a different budget or something, I don't remember. Plus, the whole influence on SP and what's happening right now, with people still not being able to reach the "perfect" ending without MP, that's a huge problem.

Auto-dialogue is another thing, even though I believe certain scenes flowed better, it's at the cost of "unique Shepards", we can't get those anymore. What happens to all those Pro-Cerberus players, or the people who fought to the end, to prove that synthetics and organics can co-exist, that's thrown out the window, into space magic. I believe I only saw one neutral dialogue the whole game - it was during Liara's scene in the cabin and when she asks what you want it to say for that VI program thing - Honesty was the middle option.

There's a bunch of other stuff, but just talking about all this is depressing.

Modifié par spiros9110, 30 mars 2012 - 05:18 .

[tenojitsu]

Naltair wrote...

Silmane wrote...

Wrong. You don't need Cerberus Network to get any of the main content in ME2. It is absolutely not a requirement for any of the endings.

Multiplayer is not vital, it assists in getting the "best" so-called ending but you get all the content in the game otherwise.

Again, you need 4000 EMS with "saving" Anderson and 5000 EMS without. That is 8000 and 10000 total military strength respectively. To my knowledge, nobody has been able to reach levels this high. From my own experience, around 7200-7300 was the best I could achieve with complete playthroughs. Furthermore, PC players have pulled apart the game and found that there isnt even 8000 TMS in the game at this point, meaning that multiplayer IS REQUIRED to reach 4000 EMS. If you have proof that says otherwise, I would be happy to see it.

[Silmane]

tenojitsu wrote...

Silmane wrote...

tenojitsu wrote...

Silmane wrote...

lucidfox wrote...

tenojitsu wrote...

The fact that this series is even being compared to Star Wars is

...an insult to Mass Effect.

Well, unless we take the ME3 ending into account.

Seriously, a comparison to Star Wars, or Star Trek for that matter, is not helping.

Is this a joke? Without Star Wars or Star Trek there wouldn't BE a Mass Effect. 

You better be trolling harder than a million suns, cause you just goofed. 

I hope I'm tired and read what you said wrong, cause holy cow.

Pretty sure you read it right, but lets just ignore this one. By the way, I agree with you.

You don't have a choice in agreeing with me. I'm not being hostile with you with that, but yeah, you already know what's up.

Not sure what you mean by I dont have a choice in agreeing with you. Let's just try to keep this from becoming a Star Wars vs Mass Effect battle. Thanks

I meant, you have to agree with me because without those two sci-fi franchises this one wouldn't even exist. That's not really an opinion someone can roll with. You COULD, I guess, but there wouldn't be any merit what so ever.

And Star Wars vs Mass Effect? On the contrary. I thank Star Wars and Star Trek for ME1 and 2.