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[Gibsn]

Posts like this are why we have a bad reputation.

[tenojitsu]

Gibsn wrote...

Posts like this are why we have a bad reputation.

Just curious, but how does a post like this contribute to a bad reputation? Please explain

[tenojitsu]

Gibsn wrote...

Posts like this are why we have a bad reputation.

Seriously, what's the logic behind your statement? I seriously want to understand this.

[Blackmind1]

EXTRA EXTRA! COMPANY TRIES TO DO SOMETHING FUN AND UNIQUE, ANTI-SOCIAL PEOPLE WITH NO FRIENDS CALL FOUL! BLAME CORPORATE INTERESTS!

More at 11!

You people and your stupid, nitpicky arguments... You're beginning to get way too predictable.

[tenojitsu]

Blackmind1 wrote...

EXTRA EXTRA! COMPANY TRIES TO DO SOMETHING FUN AND UNIQUE, ANTI-SOCIAL PEOPLE WITH NO FRIENDS CALL FOUL! BLAME CORPORATE INTERESTS!

More at 11!

You people and your stupid, nitpicky arguments... You're beginning to get way too predictable.

Nice troll.

[Aesieru]

tenojitsu wrote...

Dendio1 wrote...

tenojitsu wrote...

Dendio1 wrote...

I really like and TRUSTED the studio.

Nice post. The only problem I had was the above. Bioware is a company. Companies exist to make money. So long as what im buying is quality, im willing to pay. You shouldnt trust a company to ask for anything less.

I guess what I was trying to say was that move to integrate mulitplayer into single player made me much more cautious about how far they would go to make money. Agreed, companies exist to be profitable, but to what lengths they will go is what is in question here. It's like a typical paragon/renegade response, where choice matters. +5 renegade on the decision to make multiplayer influence single player

Right now we need multiplayer for the best ending. I have a strong feeling DLC will make it so single player can get the  best ending on its own.

I 100% agree that as DLC comes out multiplayer will not be needed for the best ending. But think about that for a minute. Great, used game purchasers dont have to buy online passes, but now they are forced to buy who knows how many DLCs. Is that any better?

They are required to fix it so non-mp play can get the 8000 assets, because they said it could happen, in fact they promised there was MORE THAN 8000 in SP.

[tenojitsu]

Aesieru wrote...

tenojitsu wrote...

Dendio1 wrote...

tenojitsu wrote...

Dendio1 wrote...

I really like and TRUSTED the studio.

Nice post. The only problem I had was the above. Bioware is a company. Companies exist to make money. So long as what im buying is quality, im willing to pay. You shouldnt trust a company to ask for anything less.

I guess what I was trying to say was that move to integrate mulitplayer into single player made me much more cautious about how far they would go to make money. Agreed, companies exist to be profitable, but to what lengths they will go is what is in question here. It's like a typical paragon/renegade response, where choice matters. +5 renegade on the decision to make multiplayer influence single player

Right now we need multiplayer for the best ending. I have a strong feeling DLC will make it so single player can get the  best ending on its own.

I 100% agree that as DLC comes out multiplayer will not be needed for the best ending. But think about that for a minute. Great, used game purchasers dont have to buy online passes, but now they are forced to buy who knows how many DLCs. Is that any better?

They are required to fix it so non-mp play can get the 8000 assets, because they said it could happen, in fact they promised there was MORE THAN 8000 in SP.

Agreed, needs to be addressed

[Delaney]

Wonderful written, better than I ever could.

Saving your back and holding the line.

[Blackmind1]

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Modifié par Blackmind1, 30 mars 2012 - 09:25 .

[tenojitsu]

Delaney wrote...

Wonderful written, better than I ever could.

Saving your back and holding the line.

Thanks for the assist!

[Nicky 192]

A wonderful letter and my sentiments entirely. With regards to the multi-player, i remember it being specifically stated that we did not have to play multi-player to achieve the optimum ending, those were more or less the exact words that were used..

Modifié par Nicky 192, 30 mars 2012 - 09:12 .

[txmn1016]

Way to go OP. Totally agree. I love the heck out of BW, but somewhere along the way there was a disconnect. Still holding out hope (and faith) that they'll put it right.

[tenojitsu]

Blackmind1 wrote...

tenojitsu wrote...

Blackmind1 wrote...

EXTRA EXTRA! COMPANY TRIES TO DO SOMETHING FUN AND UNIQUE, ANTI-SOCIAL PEOPLE WITH NO FRIENDS CALL FOUL! BLAME CORPORATE INTERESTS!

More at 11!

You people and your stupid, nitpicky arguments... You're beginning to get way too predictable.

Nice troll.

Oh get over yourself. Who the hell do you actually think you are? The producer, The Founder (Ray Muzyka), and many moderators have all addressed us directly. One by one they have all addressed our concerns and assured us that this problem will be ****ing fixed. Your little tirade against Mike, as well as your little "conspiracy theory" are completely, and utterly, childish. Just reading through your post, I get the distinct impression that you're one of those people who are completely full of themselves. Michael Gamble tells us that EA support them, that it is his job to make sure the game remains top quality for everyone, and you still twist his words. You're so damn ****ing adamant that you are right that you refuse to believe what he says, and in some points outright ignore him.

What the hell are you even doing in here? Why don't you just go back to whatever pessimistic, dreary little hole you crawled out from? It seems to me like you would be a hell of a lot comfier in there than in the outside world.

I'm not even going to read the response to this post, You can say whatever you like. Just as you're completely adamant that Bioware are out to ruin everbodies lives (because of a videogame lol), I'm completely adamant that nothing you could say would ever change mine, and many others', opinions of you.

Goodnight.

(I also would like to address this to the many other whiners and moaners in these forums right now. Seriously. If all you can do is spin whatever Bioware says to fit your warped little view of how the world works, then there is no point, at all, of you even being on here any more.)

Um, OK? Sorry you didnt like the post. No need for name calling and all that. Have a cupcake!

[Stanley Woo]

Blackmind1, watch the name-calling and swearing. Cut it out.

[txmn1016]

Kronner wrote...

I don't buy that Mike Gamble in particular is passionate about Mass Effect. If anything, based on his interviews and tweets, it often seems like he's never played the games. At least that's my impression.

ME3 is still epic game with terrible, illogical ending. BioWare can be proud of what they achieved with ME3, but the ending needs fixing. It will pay off in the long-run, IMHO.

I find it hard to believe that anyone on the production side of a game could be nearly as passionate about it as a fan.  Don't judge him too harshly for it.

[count_4]

Nothing to add. Well said.

[tenojitsu]

Stanley Woo wrote...

Blackmind1, watch the name-calling and swearing. Cut it out.

Thank you, Stanley!

[Ultra Prism]

Some points I agree and some I don't ... I am hold the line until PAX and see whats Bioware upto

[Mixorz]

Stopped reding where tying in MP and SP is unethical. Yeah real unethical.

[jakal66]

Stanley Woo wrote...

Blackmind1, watch the name-calling and swearing. Cut it out.

yeah dude, relax... take chill pill or something

[tenojitsu]

Mixorz wrote...

Stopped reding where tying in MP and SP is unethical. Yeah real unethical.

What is reding? Is this a type-o or some internet term I am not familiar with?

[ZiegenkonigIII]

tenojitsu wrote...

Mixorz wrote...

Stopped reding where tying in MP and SP is unethical. Yeah real unethical.

What is reding? Is this a type-o or some internet term I am not familiar with?

Typo obviously, though I think you knew that.

[tenojitsu]

ZiegenkonigIII wrote...

tenojitsu wrote...

Mixorz wrote...

Stopped reding where tying in MP and SP is unethical. Yeah real unethical.

What is reding? Is this a type-o or some internet term I am not familiar with?

Typo obviously, though I think you knew that.

Actually I was being sincere. After a few minutes of staring at it though I assumed it to be "reading." I was about to edit my post.

[Hexley UK]

tenojitsu wrote...

EDIT: Sorry that this is a bit long. I've had way too much time to think about this.

This is my response to a comment that Mike Gamble made in another thread. This is only my feelings, and I am not speaking on behalf of the Retake folks. If you happen to feel the same way, feel free to sign or comment.

Michael Gamble wrote...

Folks,

I don't represent whether or not EA funds us for any DLC content. EA supports us, don't worry about that. I help to manage some of that budget, yes, but my primary goal is to work with Casey (the executive producer) and the other creative visionaries around BioWare and create something we are proud of.

I can understand how Producers get a bad reputation sometimes - but most of us care passionately about the product we are putting out. Of course, having a financially successful game is important - but making something we are proud of, and something that's a very high quality is even more important to me.

More soon...And see, we still do read the forums

Mike,

I think everyone appreciates that you guys really do care about what you comes out of your studio, but at the end of the day isnt it the people with the really nice suits who have the final say? No doubt you all at BioWare love the ME universe, but at least in my opinion, the people in those suits really only care about the bottom line. I've been around the corporate environment long enough to know thats usually how it works. I cannot speak for everyone, but to me, it seems like the suits influence has gotten really strong in ME3.

The whole multiplayer thing seems to stink of a corporate decision. Not that multiplayer isnt fun, because it is. But having it tied to single player seems unethical to me. ME was always a single player game. Now we have play multiplayer or an iOS app to able to get the "best" ending? Seems like the suits just wanted to make sure that people who bought used games also had to purchase the online pass, and maybe will pick up some Spectre packs as well.

I have my little conspiracy theory regarding the ending and what future DLC will bring, but I'll spare you all the details. All I'll say is that I'm confident that more content regarding the ending will be released, and I'm sure we'll have to pay for it. If my conspiracy theory isnt correct, then I wouldnt mind paying for it either, but as I feel now, I dont thinks it right to charge for it. The fact that a conspiracy theory is even rolling around my head when it comes to BioWare saddens me, as I really like and TRUSTED the studio.

The aforementioned implementation of the multiplayer has weakened this trust. I dont think im exaggerating when I say I believe BioWare has some of the brightest minds in the industy working on their games, and I'm sure someone along the line of developement would have noticed how the joining of multiplayer and single player would have this type of effect on players. That being said, it proves to me that corporate masters made this decision, and not BioWare. The journal not updating, the weapons rating bars not changing after you upgrade a weapon, and the face import bug dont seem to be par for the course for BioWare. It just feels like there must have been an outside influence for the game to be released with these issues. Enter the suits...

I have spent a lot of time thinking about these issues, as well as the whole Mass Effect universe. It's a testament to the level of story telling, design, and pretty much every aspect the game that BioWare was able to create. Its a series that you can lose yourself in. The fact that this series is even being compared to Star Wars is a testament to BioWare as well. I agreed with the Mass Effect story being this generations Star Wars, until the ending.

Unfortunetely the games ending (as it stands now), comparing it to the comments from different BioWare employees I've read and heard regarding what the end was going to be, takes Mass Effect way out of the Star Wars league for me. The ending that I previously thought was going to be released, sounds terrific though. The deaths of Mordin, Legion, and Thane are all an epitome of bittersweet. So confusing how a concept that BioWare seems to had perfected doesnt really meet the company's own level of execution during the ending sequence. I understand that BioWare's hands are tied at the momment when it comes to speaking about the ending, so I'll be patient a little while longer, but not indefinetely.

Despite these things that seem so out of place for BioWare and the Mass Effect series, you should know that I still LOVE this game as whole, I think. Perhaps the appropriate way to say it is that I am ready to LOVE this game, just cant do it because the game doesnt love me back. I'm not saying that a "happy" ending would be the game loving me back. All I need is an ending that is on par with the rest of the game, regardless of whatever direction it goes. That, along with the polishing of the other bugs I've mentioned will put this game in the place of gaming history where it truly belongs. The characters deserve it, the fans deserve it, the whole Mass Effect universe deserves it. Most of all, BioWare deserves it. BioWare deserves to have this series of games be one of the greatest trilogies of all time, of any medium.

Awesome post I couldn't agree more.

Everything i'd like to say but written better than I could ever do.

[DarkSpiral]

OP, in regard to your statement about MP being required to get the best ending...

Why si it everyone assumes that the high-EMS Destroy ending is the best ending? Hardest to achieve, sure. But best? You kill EDI, possibly the Geth (if you hadn't ALREADY killed them all back on Rannoch) and that's the best ending?

I'm not suggesting that the reactions to the Synthesis ending don't have some merit. It's the most magick-y of all three endings, and the lack of exposition allows the interpretation that we just homogenized the entire galaxy (which would suck), but it seems to me that it's the "third choice." Whether you personally can stand the idea or not, it seems clear to me that Bioware INTENDED Synthesis to be the "best" ending, and you definitely don't need multiplayer to get it.

That actually the reason I took that ending, my first time through. It was a metagaming choice, of course, but the results as defined by the (very, very limited) dialogue seemed like I'd gain the most and lose the least. Which is to say, I'd lose my life and preserve everything I cared for and worked toward.

Yes, the end result has been interpreted very differently by most players. But that isn't the point in this case, the point is which ending BIOWARE intended to be the best ending.