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[tenojitsu]

Daidarus wrote...



^Above is one example of a lie told by a Bioware dev, there are others as well if anyone has the time or incentive to research a little bit. The point I'm trying to make is the fact that quite a few major lies were put out there by Bioware and that is what I have come to expect from Bioware, lies and disappointment. I thought maybe it was just a fluke with DA2's un-rpgness (<That's another discussion) but I was wrong. The ME3 endings made me lose almost all of my respect for a company, whose products I used to love, because of all the lies surrounding it.

As Harbinger would say, "this hurts me"

[AnthonyDraft]

The quote isn't a promise, it is a claim, nor the scene is the ending of ME3.

[tenojitsu]

AnthonyDraft wrote...

The quote isn't a promise, it is a claim, nor the scene is the ending of ME3.

Claim, promise, it's semantics at this point, and not worth arguing over

[Daidarus]

AnthonyDraft wrote...

The quote isn't a promise, it is a claim, nor the scene is the ending of ME3.

When did I say it wasn't a claim or that it was a promise? It's still false either way.
That may not the final cutscene but it is where the ending is determined, with only 3 options, hence the ABC being relevent.

[tenojitsu]

Anyone else with any thoughts?

[txmn1016]

tenojitsu wrote...

Anyone else with any thoughts?

Aren't you supposed to be asleep? 

[tenojitsu]

txmn1016 wrote...

tenojitsu wrote...

Anyone else with any thoughts?

Aren't you supposed to be asleep? 

Haha, no. It's about 8:00pm where I am. I just stay up stupid late, lol

[nazgul1x]

tenojitsu wrote...

nazgul1x wrote...

OP, I agree completely....you said it very well for many of us. This part stuck out to me:

" Most of all, BioWare deserves it. BioWare deserves to have this series of games be one of the greatest trilogies of all time, of any medium."

Bioware does deserve it! They have shown time and time again the greatness that they can achieve. I would hate to see M.E. remembered for all the wrong reasons. It is not too late to turn this around........I hope.
 

In the grand scheme of things, this is the saddest part. It would be nice if in 20 years from now I could look back and say, "I was played those games when they were released," just like I am a bit jealous of the people who got to see Star Wars when it first came out in the movie theatres. I can only imagine the satisfaction the BioWare employees would get 20 years from now if Mass Effect was remembered the way it could, and should be.

Well, I am an old enough fart to remember seeing the original Star Wars movie in the theatre  

I saw it in NYC, at a huge beautiful theatre....they even sold programs! When I saw the opening footage of the space ship that just kept going on and on and on....I was hooked! Those films were truely one of the greatest entertainment experiences of my life. The Mass Effect series had all of that going for it as well, and should not finish like this................Bioware is better than that

[Jadebaby]

tenojitsu wrote...


I think everyone appreciates that you guys really do care about what you comes out of your studio.

Edit^

But yes, agreed wholeheartedly. I even did a poll about the SP v MP. Didn't get many hits, but the results were interesting.

Good thread OP!

[tenojitsu]

nazgul1x wrote...

tenojitsu wrote...

nazgul1x wrote...

OP, I agree completely....you said it very well for many of us. This part stuck out to me:

" Most of all, BioWare deserves it. BioWare deserves to have this series of games be one of the greatest trilogies of all time, of any medium."

Bioware does deserve it! They have shown time and time again the greatness that they can achieve. I would hate to see M.E. remembered for all the wrong reasons. It is not too late to turn this around........I hope.
 

In the grand scheme of things, this is the saddest part. It would be nice if in 20 years from now I could look back and say, "I was played those games when they were released," just like I am a bit jealous of the people who got to see Star Wars when it first came out in the movie theatres. I can only imagine the satisfaction the BioWare employees would get 20 years from now if Mass Effect was remembered the way it could, and should be.

Well, I am an old enough fart to remember seeing the original Star Wars movie in the theatre  

I saw it in NYC, at a huge beautiful theatre....they even sold programs! When I saw the opening footage of the space ship that just kept going on and on and on....I was hooked! Those films were truely one of the greatest entertainment experiences of my life. The Mass Effect series had all of that going for it as well, and should not finish like this................Bioware is better than that

The level of jealousy that I have just reached may be an all time high for me, lol. Very nice to get persepctive from someone who can attest to my post from first hand experience. Helps reaffirm to myself that I'm not entirely crazy, lol.

[Jadebaby]

tenojitsu wrote...

txmn1016 wrote...

tenojitsu wrote...

Anyone else with any thoughts?

Aren't you supposed to be asleep? 

Haha, no. It's about 8:00pm where I am. I just stay up stupid late, lol

more like 8:00am...

[tenojitsu]

Jade8aby88 wrote...

tenojitsu wrote...

txmn1016 wrote...

tenojitsu wrote...

Anyone else with any thoughts?

Aren't you supposed to be asleep? 

Haha, no. It's about 8:00pm where I am. I just stay up stupid late, lol

more like 8:00am...

Thats about the time I've been falling asleep evey morning, haha

[ghrthtdhdfhdh]

AnthonyDraft wrote...

The quote isn't a promise, it is a claim, nor the scene is the ending of ME3.

Wow.  That is a new level of hair-splitting

[girlontheinternet]

Just came here to say, yes, to the OP. That is exactly how I feel.

[tenojitsu]

girlontheinternet wrote...

Just came here to say, yes, to the OP. That is exactly how I feel.

I'm glad I'm not the only one. Thanks for the post!

[Verit]

girlontheinternet wrote...

Just came here to say, yes, to the OP. That is exactly how I feel.

Same here. Personally, I really don't play that many games anymore at this point, let alone replay them. Over the past ten years the Mass Effect games were about the only ones I actually bothered replaying multiple times, so that says something about how good I thought these games were. I even bought the collector's edition to ME3, just because I had faith in Bioware that the game would be worth it. Yet even disregarding the (terrible) endings, there's plenty of signs that the game was rushed. It's still a great game, at times absolutely amzing, but you get a feeling that the entire experience is only barely holding together as the game progresses. And then when we finally reach the ending, it all falls apart. I've never been this disapopinted with a video game before, and that's solely because there was just so much potential there. The more than questionable business decisions make matters even worse, and the only reason there aren't more complaints about those is because the ending is the main cause of concern for the fans. I'm just hoping there will be good news shortly.

Modifié par -Draikin-, 31 mars 2012 - 01:34 .

[Jadebaby]

tenojitsu wrote...

Thats about the time I've been falling asleep evey morning, haha

The things this ending does to us.....

[Foxcat]

Well said OP.

[txmn1016]

Jade8aby88 wrote...

tenojitsu wrote...


I think everyone appreciates that you guys really do care about what you comes out of your studio.

Edit^

But yes, agreed wholeheartedly. I even did a poll about the SP v MP. Didn't get many hits, but the results were interesting.

Good thread OP!

Voted in your poll. And yes, interesting results!

[tenojitsu]

Jade8aby88 wrote...

tenojitsu wrote...

Thats about the time I've been falling asleep evey morning, haha

The things this ending does to us.....

Thanks BioWare, now I can't sleep at night, lol. Too busy holding the line

Modifié par tenojitsu, 31 mars 2012 - 01:58 .

[Necroscope]

-Draikin- wrote...

girlontheinternet wrote...

Just came here to say, yes, to the OP. That is exactly how I feel.

Same here. Personally, I really don't play that many games anymore at this point, let alone replay them. Over the past ten years the Mass Effect games were about the only ones I actually bothered replaying multiple times, so that says something about how good I thought these games were. I even bought the collector's edition to ME3, just because I had faith in Bioware that the game would be worth it. Yet even disregarding the (terrible) endings, there's plenty of signs that the game was rushed. It's still a great game, at times absolutely amzing, but you get a feeling that the entire experience is only barely holding together as the game progresses. And then when we finally reach the ending, it all falls apart. I've never been this disapopinted with a video game before, and that's solely because there was just so much potential there. The more than questionable business decisions make matters even worse, and the only reason there aren't more complaints about those is because the ending is the main cause of concern for the fans. I'm just hoping there will be good news shortly.

I totally agree with every statement. There's a lot of signs that the game was rushed (horrendous journal, god-awful side quests, Tali's photo, bugs), but it is the ending where it all falls apart.

The whole Earth mission was a grat disappointment - it felt like some random mission where you beat another waves of enemies. Certianly not like the grand finale should look like.

Think about it, even in ME battles were more 'epic''; Feros for exanple - the battle is divided between vehicle/regular fight, we're breaking through barricades, we have air support, we disarm bomb, then protect the colony.

Modifié par Necroscope, 31 mars 2012 - 02:01 .

[tenojitsu]

Opsrbest wrote...

tenojitsu wrote...

Daidarus wrote...



^Above is one example of a lie told by a Bioware dev, there are others as well if anyone has the time or incentive to research a little bit. The point I'm trying to make is the fact that quite a few major lies were put out there by Bioware and that is what I have come to expect from Bioware, lies and disappointment. I thought maybe it was just a fluke with DA2's un-rpgness (<That's another discussion) but I was wrong. The ME3 endings made me lose almost all of my respect for a company, whose products I used to love, because of all the lies surrounding it.

As Harbinger would say, "this hurts me"

The r,g,b is an aspect of gameplay design to end the story. The issue isn't that its a trilinear ending its how bioware chooses to show the ending.



Each option available has a positive and negative effect that is shown. There are minimal differences within each ending however so it's easy for people to not notice it.

The endings of ME3 do suck. But not for any reason that has been or ever will be posted on these forums.

Just curious, but why will the reason the for the endings being bad never be mentioned in foum? Since apparently nobody on the forum has any clue, coukd you please enlighten us?

EDIT: Personally, I think the fact that Casey explicitly mentioned it wont be an A, B, C ending makes the fact that the ending is trilinear a big issue.

Modifié par tenojitsu, 31 mars 2012 - 02:44 .

[sHELLYEA]

I love that Mass Effect has civil,smart fans who care about the franchise long term. Great job OP.