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[IntoTheDarkness]

Did anyone bother to read it before the game release?

[IntoTheDarkness]

BumP

[STAG IRONHIDE]

I'm interested if anyone knows, bump

[Devil Mingy]

The ending of the leaked script is almost exactly the same as what we got.

However, some details were leaked out about an older concept involving dark energy, but details are pretty sparse.

Modifié par Devil Mingy, 30 mars 2012 - 04:28 .

[Direwolf0294]

I believe it was the same as the one we got ingame, though I haven't read the script myself so I could be wrong.

[malra]

It is my understanding, that the 'original' original ending was supposed to end with Shepard having to choose to either save humanity or save the universe. The reapers were actually entire ancient civilizations whose purpose was to save the universe from destruction due to dark energy or dark matter. Humanity was the apex of galactic civilization and somehow by making the human reaper (ME2) the reapers, including the human reaper, would have been able to stop the immenent destruction of the universe. so would shepard allow the continued liquification of the human race in order to save all races or does shepard allow all the other races to die while saving the human race. considering how caught up some people got into the whole romance side of the ME series, that would pose an interesting question.

I would source this but don't remember where I read it off the top of my head. However, I felt that the choice posed would have done justice to the ending of ME2 where you find out that people are being liquified and destroy the human reaper. think about it, here you are the "big damn hero" and your word liquifies your entire species and turns it into a reaper. now thats a choice.

[Nobrandminda]

I wouldn't be able to find the link, but a thread dated for late February on the Something Awful forums said that in the original ending the Reaper's ultimate goal was to stop the galaxy (universe?) from being destroyed by Dark Energy. In order to do that, they needed to form a Reaper from a race with a high level of genetic diversity (it's unclear why, presumably it would have been explained better in the full game). At the end of the game, Shepard would have been presented with a choice (not sure if the choice would have been presented by Harbinger, the Catalyst, or something else entirely):

Paragon Ending: (aka the Gurren Lagann ending) Shepard tells the Reapers "Thanks, but we can take care of that without your "help." He overthrows the Reapers and humanity (hopefully) saves the galaxy from the threat of Dark Energy.

Renegade Ending: Shepard lets the Reapers win and humanity is harvested in the name of saving the galaxy/universe. I'd like to imagine that the new Human Reaper would have been named Shepard.

It's unclear what path the creative process took to get to where we are now.  Drew Karpyshyn confirmed that Dark Energy was kicked around as an idea at one point, but he refused to say that this was the "original ending."  The script that was leaked in November very closely resembled the released ending.

Modifié par Nobrandminda, 30 mars 2012 - 04:36 .

[malra]

Nobrandminda wrote...

I wouldn't be able to find the link, but a thread dated for late February on the Something Awful forums said that in the original ending the Reaper's ultimate goal was to stop the galaxy (universe?) from being destroyed by Dark Energy. In order to do that, they needed to form a Reaper from a race with a high level of genetic diversity (it's unclear why, presumably it would have been explained better in the full game). At the end of the game, Shepard would have been presented with a choice (not sure if the choice would have been presented by Harbinger, the Catalyst, or something else entirely):

Paragon Ending: (aka the Gurren Lagann ending) Shepard tells the Reapers "Thanks, but we can take care of that without your "help." He overthrows the Reapers and humanity (hopefully) saves the galaxy from the threat of Dark Energy.

Renegade Ending: Shepard lets the Reapers win and humanity is harvested in the name of saving the galaxy/universe. I'd like to imagine that the new Human Reaper would have been named Shepard.

Thank you.  I'm glad I'm not the only one that saw this somewhere and remembered it.  I don't know about you, but I really would have liked to have seen this play out.

[lucidfox]

malra wrote...

It is my understanding, that the 'original' original ending was supposed to end with Shepard having to choose to either save humanity or save the universe. The reapers were actually entire ancient civilizations whose purpose was to save the universe from destruction due to dark energy or dark matter. Humanity was the apex of galactic civilization and somehow by making the human reaper (ME2) the reapers, including the human reaper, would have been able to stop the immenent destruction of the universe. so would shepard allow the continued liquification of the human race in order to save all races or does shepard allow all the other races to die while saving the human race. considering how caught up some people got into the whole romance side of the ME series, that would pose an interesting question.

Ugh, this sounds even worse than the released ending.

[malra]

lucidfox wrote...

Ugh, this sounds even worse than the released ending.

I find that hard to believe.  At least they talked about the problem with dark energy in ME2 on Haestrom.  I think if done well it could have really been a really great ending.

[Joeybsmooth4]

That has some holes .. but still a lot better than what we got .

[IntoTheDarkness]

malra wrote...

It is my understanding, that the 'original' original ending was supposed to end with Shepard having to choose to either save humanity or save the universe. The reapers were actually entire ancient civilizations whose purpose was to save the universe from destruction due to dark energy or dark matter. Humanity was the apex of galactic civilization and somehow by making the human reaper (ME2) the reapers, including the human reaper, would have been able to stop the immenent destruction of the universe. so would shepard allow the continued liquification of the human race in order to save all races or does shepard allow all the other races to die while saving the human race. considering how caught up some people got into the whole romance side of the ME series, that would pose an interesting question.

I would source this but don't remember where I read it off the top of my head. However, I felt that the choice posed would have done justice to the ending of ME2 where you find out that people are being liquified and destroy the human reaper. think about it, here you are the "big damn hero" and your word liquifies your entire species and turns it into a reaper. now thats a choice.

wasn't that the ending Drew planeed when he was a lead writer in ME1?

Did the leaked scripts have the dark energy ending? if they changed the ending after the leak, i'm really, really disappointed with BW.

[imooumoo]

malra wrote...

lucidfox wrote...

Ugh, this sounds even worse than the released ending.

I find that hard to believe.  At least they talked about the problem with dark energy in ME2 on Haestrom.  I think if done well it could have really been a really great ending.

What was the problem on Haestrom? Something about the sun going supernova, but never stoped increasing? Like exploding forever?

Anybody else remember?

[tanuki]

IntoTheDarkness wrote...

malra wrote...

It is my understanding, that the 'original' original ending was supposed to end with Shepard having to choose to either save humanity or save the universe. The reapers were actually entire ancient civilizations whose purpose was to save the universe from destruction due to dark energy or dark matter. Humanity was the apex of galactic civilization and somehow by making the human reaper (ME2) the reapers, including the human reaper, would have been able to stop the immenent destruction of the universe. so would shepard allow the continued liquification of the human race in order to save all races or does shepard allow all the other races to die while saving the human race. considering how caught up some people got into the whole romance side of the ME series, that would pose an interesting question.

I would source this but don't remember where I read it off the top of my head. However, I felt that the choice posed would have done justice to the ending of ME2 where you find out that people are being liquified and destroy the human reaper. think about it, here you are the "big damn hero" and your word liquifies your entire species and turns it into a reaper. now thats a choice.

wasn't that the ending Drew planeed when he was a lead writer in ME1?

Did the leaked scripts have the dark energy ending? if they changed the ending after the leak, i'm really, really disappointed with BW.

Nope, the script had the same 3 endings, just less detailed. If they ever had plans to make Dark energy endings, they scrapped them even before.

[The_Crazy_Hand]

 Well it wasn't very descriptive.  The script didn't call for them to be minimalistic, but synthesis was originally:

-Become one with the reapers

Apparently, backlash changed it to synthesis.  Funny how "artistic integrity" didn't stop them from changing "Become one with reapers" into "merge organic and synthetic life"

Just saying............

[Xarathox]

imooumoo wrote...

malra wrote...

lucidfox wrote...

Ugh, this sounds even worse than the released ending.

I find that hard to believe.  At least they talked about the problem with dark energy in ME2 on Haestrom.  I think if done well it could have really been a really great ending.

What was the problem on Haestrom? Something about the sun going supernova, but never stoped increasing? Like exploding forever?

Anybody else remember?

The interior of the star was losing mass, and aging much faster than it should due to a large amount of dark energy build up.

[mupp3tz]

Drew debunked the "Dark Energy" ending by saying there was no canon ending from the get go. That was just one of the many, many possibilities laid out on the table.


LINK to the interview.

Modifié par M U P P 3 T Z, 30 mars 2012 - 04:51 .

[Nobrandminda]

imooumoo wrote...

What was the problem on Haestrom? Something about the sun going supernova, but never stoped increasing? Like exploding forever?

Anybody else remember?

The star was aging unnaturally fast.  Tali's team had been sent in to gather data and determine the cause (which turned out to be Dark Energy).  Assuming he survived, the last time you talk to Kal'Reeger, he mentions that similar things are happening elsewhere and as soon as he's recovered from his injuries, he'll be right back in the field helping to gather more data.

[Twisted and Mean]

Looks like the new endings totally devastated the fans to save them from being totally devastated by the old endings. Somehow that sounds familiar...

[Arios1570]

malra wrote...

lucidfox wrote...

Ugh, this sounds even worse than the released ending.

I find that hard to believe.  At least they talked about the problem with dark energy in ME2 on Haestrom.  I think if done well it could have really been a really great ending.

I actually have to agree with lucidfox.  Dark Energy wasn't a huge issue in the series.  It was a side problem.  To have it suddenly become the reason for the reapers makes no sense.  Why would they harvest civilizations that are making technological progress to stop dark energy?  By doing that, they are destroying any chance that the civilizations could come up with a solution.  If the reapers don't have one, they're not going to come up with one, so why kill off those who could so that a solution can be formed?  That's worse than creating synthetics to kill organics so synthetics won't kill organics.

Canon reason means the reapers are working to their own solution, albeit in a roundabout way, it makes sense for a corrupted computer to see this as a solution.

This old reason means they are shooting themselves in the foot.  They are stagnent creativly, but organics aren't.  To hope for a solution, they should be helping organics develop further and act as peace-keepers, not reapers.  By keeping organics alive and simply saying "hey, this dark energy is a bad thing, but we don't have a clue how to stop it, here's all we know, now get to work."

[angryjon]

malra wrote...

It is my understanding, that the 'original' original ending was supposed to end with Shepard having to choose to either save humanity or save the universe. The reapers were actually entire ancient civilizations whose purpose was to save the universe from destruction due to dark energy or dark matter. Humanity was the apex of galactic civilization and somehow by making the human reaper (ME2) the reapers, including the human reaper, would have been able to stop the immenent destruction of the universe. so would shepard allow the continued liquification of the human race in order to save all races or does shepard allow all the other races to die while saving the human race. considering how caught up some people got into the whole romance side of the ME series, that would pose an interesting question.

this also seems more like the old bioware to me... Two Grey Choices, instead of one good one bad..

[Silpheed58]

Indoctrination was big

[imooumoo]

Nobrandminda wrote...

imooumoo wrote...

What was the problem on Haestrom? Something about the sun going supernova, but never stoped increasing? Like exploding forever?

Anybody else remember?

The star was aging unnaturally fast.  Tali's team had been sent in to gather data and determine the cause (which turned out to be Dark Energy).  Assuming he survived, the last time you talk to Kal'Reeger, he mentions that similar things are happening elsewhere and as soon as he's recovered from his injuries, he'll be right back in the field helping to gather more data.

I guess "LOT'S OF SPECULATION FOR EVERYONE" Just does not cut it for this fascinating sub-plot.

I prefer this to the starchild logic anyday.

[Total Biscuit]

Just to be clear, the Dark Energy stuff was NOT in the leaked script from back in November, the leaked scripts ending was exactly what ended up being in the game, and yes, most everyone who saw it hated it back then too.

The only difference was that we didn't know all the details for cut scenes without dialogue, so the Relays blowing in all endings and the Normandy crash wasn't thought to be unavoidable.

Again, BIOWARE CHANGED NOTHING BECAUSE OF THE LEAK.

At least nothing important, or to do with the ending anyway.

[malra]

M U P P 3 T Z wrote...

Drew debunked the "Dark Energy" ending by saying there was no canon ending from the get go. That was just one of the many, many possibilities laid out on the table.


LINK to the interview.

Yes, that actually didn't surprise me.  He is the ultimate professional and I have tons of respect for his work.  Doesn't make it true though.