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[pomrink]

Guys get your facts straight. The leaked scrip in November was the same thing we have now, jus without the music and cutscenes, because those aren't in it because it's text

[shepskisaac]

malra wrote...

lucidfox wrote...

Ugh, this sounds even worse than the released ending.

I find that hard to believe.  At least they talked about the problem with dark energy in ME2 on Haestrom.  I think if done well it could have really been a really great ending.

And they talked about AIs vs. organics 10 times more than Dark Energy. This is a classical "Oh this would've SURELY been better" syndrome people immediately go with any bit of cut/alternate content.

[malra]

Total Biscuit wrote...

Just to be clear, the Dark Energy stuff was NOT in the leaked script from back in November, the leaked scripts ending was exactly what ended up being in the game, and yes, most everyone who saw it hated it back then too.

The only difference was that we didn't know all the details for cut scenes without dialogue, so the Relays blowing in all endings and the Normandy crash wasn't thought to be unavoidable.

Again, BIOWARE CHANGED NOTHING BECAUSE OF THE LEAK.

At least nothing important, or to do with the ending anyway.

Sorry, wasn't trying to say that was the leaked script.  I personally did not know a script had been leaked, I was trying to avoid any pre-game release spoilers in order to come into the game with no expectations, I was just sharing something I came across that sounded a heck of a lot better than what we got.

[pomrink]

THE DARK ENERGY ENDING WAS NOT THE LEAKED SCRIPT IN NOVEMBER, STOP REPEATING INCORRECT INFORMATION

Modifié par pomrink, 30 mars 2012 - 05:13 .

[imooumoo]

pomrink wrote...

THE DARK ENERGY ENDING WAS NOT THE LEAKED SCRIPT IN NOVEMBER, STOP REPEATING INCORRECT INFORMATION

Relax, please. This thread is being quite civilized. There is a way to vent without yelling in caps at us.

We must stay strong, not create rivalries in our own unit.

[pomrink]

It's just aggravating whenever people bring up the leaked script, the people who answer are people who haven't even seen it

[STAG IRONHIDE]

yes

Modifié par STAG IRONHIDE, 30 mars 2012 - 05:39 .

[shepskisaac]

And here's what Drew has to say to all the people repeating like a mantra how he would've totally 'saved' Mass Effect:

"Funny. Some upset fans say ME3 was awesome until the end ruined it.
Claim it would have been better if I was still on the project. But fans
upset about my [Knights of the Old Republic] Revan novel claim it was
awesome until the ending ruined it. So maybe I wouldn't have made any
difference."

Even he sees the irony. Ohh and Drew ain't the one and only sole creator and originator of everything of Mass Effect. Casey Hudson is in most part.

[pomrink]

Oh yeah one thing i did forget where the script was different, if on thessia you had a really hard time against kai leng, he kills the VS

Edit: And he shoves rebar into shepards back

Modifié par pomrink, 30 mars 2012 - 05:19 .

[AkeasharK]

Nobrandminda wrote...

I wouldn't be able to find the link, but a thread dated for late February on the Something Awful forums said that in the original ending the Reaper's ultimate goal was to stop the galaxy (universe?) from being destroyed by Dark Energy. In order to do that, they needed to form a Reaper from a race with a high level of genetic diversity (it's unclear why, presumably it would have been explained better in the full game). At the end of the game, Shepard would have been presented with a choice (not sure if the choice would have been presented by Harbinger, the Catalyst, or something else entirely):

Paragon Ending: (aka the Gurren Lagann ending) Shepard tells the Reapers "Thanks, but we can take care of that without your "help." He overthrows the Reapers and humanity (hopefully) saves the galaxy from the threat of Dark Energy.

Renegade Ending: Shepard lets the Reapers win and humanity is harvested in the name of saving the galaxy/universe. I'd like to imagine that the new Human Reaper would have been named Shepard.

It's unclear what path the creative process took to get to where we are now.  Drew Karpyshyn confirmed that Dark Energy was kicked around as an idea at one point, but he refused to say that this was the "original ending."  The script that was leaked in November very closely resembled the released ending.

Wow that sounds... awful. Like really horrible. Choice A or B, and theres no way that a Renegade would choose B, since Renegade tends to stick its middle finger up at alien races.

[malra]

IsaacShep wrote...

malra wrote...

lucidfox wrote...

Ugh, this sounds even worse than the released ending.

I find that hard to believe.  At least they talked about the problem with dark energy in ME2 on Haestrom.  I think if done well it could have really been a really great ending.

And they talked about AIs vs. organics 10 times more than Dark Energy. This is a classical "Oh this would've SURELY been better" syndrome people immediately go with any bit of cut/alternate content.

your right, they talk about the Geth/Quarian conflict quite a bit.  but then couldn't pull it together to make it mesh in the end with the whole inevitabiltiy thing and while your certainely entitled to your opinion, I can assure you that I am not wishing for what I can't have.  The Dark Energy ending as I read about it is the only attempt to explain in any way that stays within the confines of the story presented.  I mean really, ascension?  Liquification equals ascension?  Whatever.

[STAG IRONHIDE]

IsaacShep wrote...

And here's what Drew has to say to all the people repeating like a mantra how he would've totally 'saved' Mass Effect:

"Funny. Some upset fans say ME3 was awesome until the end ruined it.
Claim it would have been better if I was still on the project. But fans
upset about my [Knights of the Old Republic] Revan novel claim it was
awesome until the ending ruined it. So maybe I wouldn't have made any
difference."

Even he sees the irony. Ohh and Drew ain't the one and only sole creator and originator of everything of Mass Effect. Casey Hudson is in most part.

haha that's a good one (his quote). I lol'd

[pomrink]

malra wrote...

IsaacShep wrote...

malra wrote...

lucidfox wrote...

Ugh, this sounds even worse than the released ending.

I find that hard to believe.  At least they talked about the problem with dark energy in ME2 on Haestrom.  I think if done well it could have really been a really great ending.

And they talked about AIs vs. organics 10 times more than Dark Energy. This is a classical "Oh this would've SURELY been better" syndrome people immediately go with any bit of cut/alternate content.

your right, they talk about the Geth/Quarian conflict quite a bit.  but then couldn't pull it together to make it mesh in the end with the whole inevitabiltiy thing and while your certainely entitled to your opinion, I can assure you that I am not wishing for what I can't have.  The Dark Energy ending as I read about it is the only attempt to explain in any way that stays within the confines of the story presented.  I mean really, ascension?  Liquification equals ascension?  Whatever.

One thing, anything related to AI in the story is strictly B plot. B plot themes should not have bearing on the main plot. It'd be like if in Dr. Strangelove it turned out Colonel Bat Guano was actually the doomsday device

[STAG IRONHIDE]

pomrink wrote...

Oh yeah one thing i did forget where the script was different, if on thessia you had a really hard time against kai leng, he kills the VS

Edit: And he shoves rebar into shepards back

Kai Leng

[sfam]

The stock photo of Tali really was well over the top of an insanely bad choice. I mean really? You put us in suspense for 3 games and that's what you came up with??? Why not go with the art choices in that book? Those would have been 200 times more preferable than a sh!tty stock photo that you spent what, 20 minutes looking for?

EDIT: I was one of those idiots making the "perfect save" by replaying 1 & 2 - part of it was to romance both Ashley and Tali, but I choose Tali just so I could see her, um, stock photo face?????

Wow, just wow.

Modifié par sfam, 30 mars 2012 - 05:29 .

[malakim2099]

Twisted and Mean wrote...

Looks like the new endings totally devastated the fans to save them from being totally devastated by the old endings. Somehow that sounds familiar...

Yo dawg! I heard you didn't like bad endings, so I made you a bad ending so you wouldn't have to play through a bad ending!

[shepskisaac]

malra wrote...

your right, they talk about the Geth/Quarian conflict quite a bit.  but then couldn't pull it together to make it mesh in the end with the whole inevitabiltiy thing and while your certainely entitled to your opinion, I can assure you that I am not wishing for what I can't have.  The Dark Energy ending as I read about it is the only attempt to explain in any way that stays within the confines of the story presented.  I mean really, ascension?  Liquification equals ascension?  Whatever.

It ain't just the Geth. Rouge AI on Luna -> EDI. Rouge AI on the Citadel. Project Overlord. And that's just ME games alone. It's much more true to the themes, plots and characters actually discussed and focused on in the franchise than Dark Energy.

[pomrink]

IsaacShep wrote...

malra wrote...

your right, they talk about the Geth/Quarian conflict quite a bit.  but then couldn't pull it together to make it mesh in the end with the whole inevitabiltiy thing and while your certainely entitled to your opinion, I can assure you that I am not wishing for what I can't have.  The Dark Energy ending as I read about it is the only attempt to explain in any way that stays within the confines of the story presented.  I mean really, ascension?  Liquification equals ascension?  Whatever.

It ain't just the Geth. Rouge AI on Luna -> EDI. Rouge AI on the Citadel. Project Overlord. And that's just ME games alone. It's much more true to the themes, plots and characters actually discussed and focused on in the franchise than Dark Energy.

Again, everything related to synthetics was all B plots. I don't think they shouldve given the reapers a motive imo. They were better when they were unknowable. It would've created a lot less....negative speculation about the ending

[magikbbg]

malra wrote...

It is my understanding, that the 'original' original ending was supposed to end with Shepard having to choose to either save humanity or save the universe. The reapers were actually entire ancient civilizations whose purpose was to save the universe from destruction due to dark energy or dark matter. Humanity was the apex of galactic civilization and somehow by making the human reaper (ME2) the reapers, including the human reaper, would have been able to stop the immenent destruction of the universe. so would shepard allow the continued liquification of the human race in order to save all races or does shepard allow all the other races to die while saving the human race. considering how caught up some people got into the whole romance side of the ME series, that would pose an interesting question.

I would source this but don't remember where I read it off the top of my head. However, I felt that the choice posed would have done justice to the ending of ME2 where you find out that people are being liquified and destroy the human reaper. think about it, here you are the "big damn hero" and your word liquifies your entire species and turns it into a reaper. now thats a choice.

really this was the leaked ending? wow this would've been so freaking awesome, a real choice between self preservation vs self sacrifice that is soooooo deep. 

damn what a waste that would've been a really cool ending instead of :wizard::wizard::wizard:

[pomrink]

magikbbg wrote...

malra wrote...

It is my understanding, that the 'original' original ending was supposed to end with Shepard having to choose to either save humanity or save the universe. The reapers were actually entire ancient civilizations whose purpose was to save the universe from destruction due to dark energy or dark matter. Humanity was the apex of galactic civilization and somehow by making the human reaper (ME2) the reapers, including the human reaper, would have been able to stop the immenent destruction of the universe. so would shepard allow the continued liquification of the human race in order to save all races or does shepard allow all the other races to die while saving the human race. considering how caught up some people got into the whole romance side of the ME series, that would pose an interesting question.

I would source this but don't remember where I read it off the top of my head. However, I felt that the choice posed would have done justice to the ending of ME2 where you find out that people are being liquified and destroy the human reaper. think about it, here you are the "big damn hero" and your word liquifies your entire species and turns it into a reaper. now thats a choice.

really this was the leaked ending? wow this would've been so freaking awesome, a real choice between self preservation vs self sacrifice that is soooooo deep. 

damn what a waste that would've been a really cool ending instead of :wizard::wizard::wizard:

No it wasn't.

[Ticondurus]

Sigh. I still wish we had a mission in Reaper/Dark Space. Thought that was for SURE gonna happen. Would have been epic. Also would warrant a great Harby encounter.

[The_Crazy_Hand]

Total Biscuit wrote...

Just to be clear, the Dark Energy stuff was NOT in the leaked script from back in November, the leaked scripts ending was exactly what ended up being in the game, and yes, most everyone who saw it hated it back then too.

The only difference was that we didn't know all the details for cut scenes without dialogue, so the Relays blowing in all endings and the Normandy crash wasn't thought to be unavoidable.

Again, BIOWARE CHANGED NOTHING BECAUSE OF THE LEAK.

At least nothing important, or to do with the ending anyway.

Not true, the synthesis ending was originally sheperd becomming one with the reapers.  Backlash happened because of that, and it was changed.

Artistic Integrity my ass.

[Total Biscuit]

IsaacShep wrote...

malra wrote...

lucidfox wrote...

Ugh, this sounds even worse than the released ending.

I find that hard to believe.  At least they talked about the problem with dark energy in ME2 on Haestrom.  I think if done well it could have really been a really great ending.

And they talked about AIs vs. organics 10 times more than Dark Energy. This is a classical "Oh this would've SURELY been better" syndrome people immediately go with any bit of cut/alternate content.

Yes, but the bulk of that greater emphasis on Synthetics vs Organics was the Geth vs Quarians stuff, which had already been resolved, with 2/3 of the outcomes involving Shepard getting new robot friends. The ideal solution of peace completely disproves the catalysts argument entirely.

The rest of the games focus on this subject is EDI, who also is friendly, and doesn't support the endings absolutes.

No matter what way you argue it, unless you never speak to EDI, and wiped out the Geth without even giving them a chance, the whole Synthetis and Organics ability to coexist with one another debate was already put to bed before the ending. For Bioware to then wheel it out, tell you it was actually the most important part of the series, instead of a side line of though, and directly contradict what the vast majority of us know is true, just doesn't work, and is so out of left field it shatters suspension of disbelief.

It just can't work, and needs to go.

[Total Biscuit]

The_Crazy_Hand wrote...

Total Biscuit wrote...

Just to be clear, the Dark Energy stuff was NOT in the leaked script from back in November, the leaked scripts ending was exactly what ended up being in the game, and yes, most everyone who saw it hated it back then too.

The only difference was that we didn't know all the details for cut scenes without dialogue, so the Relays blowing in all endings and the Normandy crash wasn't thought to be unavoidable.

Again, BIOWARE CHANGED NOTHING BECAUSE OF THE LEAK.

At least nothing important, or to do with the ending anyway.

Not true, the synthesis ending was originally sheperd becomming one with the reapers.  Backlash happened because of that, and it was changed.

Artistic Integrity my ass.

No it wasn't, it was specifically stated all organics would become partially synthetic, and synthetics partially organic. It was exactly what was in the game. 

I know, I read he script.

Are you possibly getting confused with the stuff in he script about what Control involved, because that was the least clear of the three, as it is in game really.

Yes, Synthesis is space magic, but we really have no idea what Control actually does, unlike the other two.

But yeah, Synthesis was exactly what we got in game. 

[The_Crazy_Hand]

I read it too, and I remember it being what I stated, you sure you aren't remembering wrong? I guess one of us is.