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[Forevergray]

lucidfox wrote...

malra wrote...

It is my understanding, that the 'original' original ending was supposed to end with Shepard having to choose to either save humanity or save the universe. The reapers were actually entire ancient civilizations whose purpose was to save the universe from destruction due to dark energy or dark matter. Humanity was the apex of galactic civilization and somehow by making the human reaper (ME2) the reapers, including the human reaper, would have been able to stop the immenent destruction of the universe. so would shepard allow the continued liquification of the human race in order to save all races or does shepard allow all the other races to die while saving the human race. considering how caught up some people got into the whole romance side of the ME series, that would pose an interesting question.

Ugh, this sounds even worse than the released ending.

I dunno...for a series all about choice, that would have been a pretty epic choice to have to make.  A horrible, horrible, depressing choice, but epic nonetheless.

[Canis_Major]

Ticondurus wrote...

Sigh. I still wish we had a mission in Reaper/Dark Space. Thought that was for SURE gonna happen. Would have been epic. Also would warrant a great Harby encounter.

This.

[Peer of the Empire]

While I like and also have reservations about dark energy, I bet one of the main reasons it was avoided was because it too closely parallels modern society.  Indeed, it would be activating survival instinct among diversity and sacrifice for racial purity

Modifié par Peer of the Empire, 02 avril 2012 - 03:49 .

[spacehamsterZH]

Eh, sounds about like the same type of nonsensical 11th hour plot twist.

Really, what I'm left with here is that either a) they had no idea how they were going to end the trilogy someday back when ME1 was written or it was always the plan that in some form or other, it would turn out via some last-minute plot twist that the Reapers are necessary. I don't know which is worse.

[Moogberg]

spacehamsterZH wrote...

Eh, sounds about like the same type of nonsensical 11th hour plot twist.

Really, what I'm left with here is that either a) they had no idea how they were going to end the trilogy someday back when ME1 was written or it was always the plan that in some form or other, it would turn out via some last-minute plot twist that the Reapers are necessary. I don't know which is worse.

When you start writing a saga or an epic TV show and you already have the ending in your mind, all that you get is stiff writing. I often read about a TV show called FlashForward, being an example of that sin. The writing team had planned everything for a few seasons before the pilot even aired. So, they had no opportunity to wonder if some elements really worked, or change their minds at some point when they move forward with the scripts or with the dailies that showed the actors' take. All the big decisions had already been made. And the show naturally lasted one season.

The other approch is to make up entire parts of the mythology as you go along with big scale projects. Lost did it, Star Wars did it. Drew Karpyshyn admits for instance that Cerberus was something vague and secondary in the story until they started writing ME2. Almost everybody does it.
The result is that almost every conclusion of an epic story is a disappointment, especially in sci-fi. When the fate of an entire civilization or galaxy is at stakes and that you tell that story through a few select individual characters, there comes a time when you can't simply keep the balance between the two levels.

So a) and are actually perfectly compatible. I guess that the idea of a final twist concerning the reapers was written as a template from the very beginning, that they focused on developing the entire ride and that they couldn't find a more satisfying ending. They focused on the ride, the journey and in the end they chose to do some generic thing, using an higher being to give some kind of perspective to everything, because they couldn't find a better way with what they had.

For the record, I completed the game last night and I'm actually not angry about the ending. I just found that the cut scenes about the Normandy crashing on a new planet were coming from nowhere and were ridiculous, bordering on offensive. The child being the avatar for the "higher being" that inhabits the Citadel and the final choice are only formulaic and quite lame. But, at the moment I had a talk with every mission character alive from ME2 and ME3, I accepted the idea that Shepard would make the ultimate sacrifice and would die. That was the real closure for me.

[Zolt51]

Direwolf0294 wrote...

I believe it was the same as the one we got ingame, though I haven't read the script myself so I could be wrong.

I saw the script. The words "dark energy" were not in it. It was very close to what we got in fact.

[TUHD]

Zolt51 wrote...

Direwolf0294 wrote...

I believe it was the same as the one we got ingame, though I haven't read the script myself so I could be wrong.

I saw the script. The words "dark energy" were not in it. It was very close to what we got in fact.

Minus some details. But the leaked script was pretty close indeed to what we got. So there's another lie: 'The leaked script is an old version and completely isn't what is in the game!' (or something like that, should wander off to find the quote). Uhuh.

[BurnOutBrighter]

So they really had no idea how to finish this game at all, did they?

Apparently going the simple route and having a giant galaxy vs. Reaper war ending based on your war assets and factions/characters participating would not have been "artistic" enough.

Modifié par BurnOutBrighter, 03 avril 2012 - 11:23 .

[Federally]

BurnOut that would have been too "Video Gamey"

[B3ckett]

I looked for the script after finishing ME3.
There are some differences, but the general outcome is the same absurd.
For those interested: pastebin.com/ferTx1qx

[Sundance31us]

I read the leaked script and the current ending was what I recall reading; that said other portions of the script do differ from what is actually in the game.

Edit:

@ B3ckett

That's not the leaked scripts I read.

Modifié par Sundance31us, 03 avril 2012 - 11:31 .

[B3ckett]

I found this today. It's a bit different from I've read before, but in general the effect was more or less the same. So IMHO, the ending in ME3 were planned and ready a loong time ago. Can't begin to understand why for such a long period of time nobody woke up and read what they created...

[Sundance31us]

Allowing that the script was an early version and they were still working out the scenes I enjoyed reading most of it; the ending was the weakest point, I skimmed through it twice and returned to reading the juicy bits.

[Moogberg]

B3ckett wrote...

I found this today. It's a bit different from I've read before, but in general the effect was more or less the same. So IMHO, the ending in ME3 were planned and ready a loong time ago. Can't begin to understand why for such a long period of time nobody woke up and read what they created...

It would be logical that the structure of the ending was determined last fall, so most of the code could be written and tested. The script (i.e. the lines and the name of the options) and the cutscenes can be modified later. Then, you can book the actors for their final voice sessions. Some of them are busy and wouldn't come back if there were rewrites, so you have to polish the script and do the rewrites before you can book the big names such as Martin Sheen.

[puppy maclove]

Twisted and Mean wrote...

Looks like the new endings totally devastated the fans to save them from being totally devastated by the old endings. Somehow that sounds familiar...

.......    Disappointment : Now available in Blue, Red and Green. 

[Fay]

Almost anything is better than the current ending...Give me the dark energy ending and I'll pay for it!