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[JBONE27]

I've seen a lot of people on this board who either say, "Don't change the ending to something happy," or "I hope the ending DLC doesn't have a happy ending."  I say, if you have to work for it, why not have a happy ending.

I'm sure I'm not the only one who has grown to love these characters, and I do want to see them happy.  Do I think the happy ending should be easy to achieve... HELL NO!  I believe that what ever is worth having, it's worth working hard for, and a happy ending with everyone you care about surviving, is worth having. 

Modifié par JBONE27, 30 mars 2012 - 06:28 .

[dantesfire10]

i think of it as an unspoken middle ground between those who want the ending completely changed and those who like the game as is.

[Calbeb]

The game has a really dark tone, and I just don't want an ending that is happiness and rainbows. If they did something hopeful and at the same time represent the costs of the war, I wouldn't mind that.

With that said, the intent was clearly to do something a little more about self-sacrifice. I have NO problem with that as long as it is clear and dramatic. While the current ending being dramatic is debatable, clear is not.

[DeinonSlayer]

JBONE27 wrote...

I've seen a lot of people on this board who either say, "Don't change the ending to something happy," or "I hope the ending DLC doesn't have a happy ending."  I say, if you have to work for it, why not have a happy ending.

I'm sure I'm not the only one who has grown to love these characters, and I do want to see them happy.  Do I think the happy ending should be easy to achieve... HELL NO!  I believe that what ever is worth having, it's worth working hard for, and a happy ending with everyone you care about surviving, is worth having. 

Couldn't have said it better, OP. What some people are concerned with (and I understand their concern) is that the endings would be "unbalanced." That, like with ME2, getting less than the "perfect ending" would signify failure on their part. I personally would want to see extra endings implemented, including at least one where Shepard reunites with the crew, but with a different set of consequences for the larger galaxy. Variety with balance. I personally don't see any of the existing endings as being worth the effort to earn...

Modifié par DeinonSlayer, 30 mars 2012 - 04:49 .

[MaestroX101]

JBONE27 wrote...

I've seen a lot of people on this board who either say, "Don't change the ending to something happy," or "I hope the ending DLC doesn't have a happy ending."  I say, if you have to work for it, why not have a happy ending.

I'm sure I'm not the only one who has grown to love these characters, and I do want to see them happy.  Do I think the happy ending should be easy to achieve... HELL NO!  I believe that what ever is worth having, it's worth working hard for, and a happy ending with everyone you care about surviving, is worth having. 

It's not about a happy ending. It's about the ending we deserve...

...is what a Retaker would say.

[Kajan451]

MaestroX101 wrote...

It's not about a happy ending. It's about the ending we deserve...

...is what a Retaker would say.

Not we. The game or rather the story does deserve a better ending. One that does the rest of the game justice.


I don't deserve a better ending... i already paid for a different ending. I bought this game based on what they said tis game would be. As such i demand the endings they said it would have... all of them.

[Elyiia]

Because people are assuming that a happy ending is all rainbows and ponies rather than simply a hopeful ending.

Honestly, with all the unnamed deaths and the deaths of characters we know, thinking that any happy ending is going to be rainbows and ponies is ridiculous.

[Wes Mordine]

The galaxy will still be mourning their billions! It's sad enough.

But Shepard (and by extension, the player) may have a happy ending by winning the war and reuniting with his/friends and LI.

Why not?

[MaestroX101]

Kajan451 wrote...

MaestroX101 wrote...

It's not about a happy ending. It's about the ending we deserve...

...is what a Retaker would say.

Not we. The game or rather the story does deserve a better ending. One that does the rest of the game justice.


I don't deserve a better ending... i already paid for a different ending. I bought this game based on what they said tis game would be. As such i demand the endings they said it would have... all of them.

Wait, so Bioware told you exactly what the ending would be? Wouldn't that be like...spoiling the game?

[MaestroX101]

Wes Mordine wrote...

The galaxy will still be mourning their billions! It's sad enough.

But Shepard (and by extension, the player) may have a happy ending by winning the war and reuniting with his/friends and LI.

Why not?

Whatever way you look at it, people shouldn't expect Shepard to survive, whether he wins or loses the war. In fact, the game would have a perfect ending if Shepard didn't defeat the Reapers. There are warnings starting from ME1 telling Shepard that he only continues to delay the enevitable.

[devSin]

There have been a fair number of people expressing support for a relatively upbeat ending, so it's not as if everybody is arguing against one.

I am very interested to see what BioWare is going to do, if they do anything at all.

Modifié par devSin, 30 mars 2012 - 05:08 .

[JBONE27]

MaestroX101 wrote...

Wes Mordine wrote...

The galaxy will still be mourning their billions! It's sad enough.

But Shepard (and by extension, the player) may have a happy ending by winning the war and reuniting with his/friends and LI.

Why not?

Whatever way you look at it, people shouldn't expect Shepard to survive, whether he wins or loses the war. In fact, the game would have a perfect ending if Shepard didn't defeat the Reapers. There are warnings starting from ME1 telling Shepard that he only continues to delay the enevitable.

I disagree because there are also many mentions of Shepard and Co. doing the impossible.

[RocketManSR2]

This is the internet. People must hate something, even if it doesn't affect them in the least.

[BeefoTheBold]

MaestroX101 wrote...

Wes Mordine wrote...

The galaxy will still be mourning their billions! It's sad enough.

But Shepard (and by extension, the player) may have a happy ending by winning the war and reuniting with his/friends and LI.

Why not?

Whatever way you look at it, people shouldn't expect Shepard to survive, whether he wins or loses the war. In fact, the game would have a perfect ending if Shepard didn't defeat the Reapers. There are warnings starting from ME1 telling Shepard that he only continues to delay the enevitable.

You call that a perfect ending? Seriously? Your thought is that the best possible ending is that the entire galaxy should be annihilated and everything you've done should be pointless?

Man, you must be a lot of fun at parties.

[born2beagator]

devSin wrote...

There have been a fair number of people expressing support for a relatively upbeat ending, so it's not as if everybody is arguing against one.

I would love a happy ending.  and you should be able to earn one if you make the right choices.

[Quietness]

Dark, Bleak, Depressing endings are Artsy, Hip, And Cool. Didn't you get that memo /rolleyes

[BeefoTheBold]

born2beagator wrote...

devSin wrote...

There have been a fair number of people expressing support for a relatively upbeat ending, so it's not as if everybody is arguing against one.

I would love a happy ending.  and you should be able to earn one if you make the right choices.

I would love a RELATIVELY happy ending.

For all the mockery towards Casey Hudson's "bittersweet" comment, he's not completely off base. A "happy" ending is impossible because worlds all over the galaxy lie in ruin and billions have died.

There is a middle ground between a "happy" ending and a "kick you in the nuts and then shove a baseball bat up your rectum" ending which is what we have now.

Modifié par BeefoTheBold, 30 mars 2012 - 05:11 .

[MaestroX101]

BeefoTheBold wrote...

MaestroX101 wrote...

Wes Mordine wrote...

The galaxy will still be mourning their billions! It's sad enough.

But Shepard (and by extension, the player) may have a happy ending by winning the war and reuniting with his/friends and LI.

Why not?

Whatever way you look at it, people shouldn't expect Shepard to survive, whether he wins or loses the war. In fact, the game would have a perfect ending if Shepard didn't defeat the Reapers. There are warnings starting from ME1 telling Shepard that he only continues to delay the enevitable.

You call that a perfect ending? Seriously? Your thought is that the best possible ending is that the entire galaxy should be annihilated and everything you've done should be pointless?

Man, you must be a lot of fun at parties.

I meant perfect as far as storytelling goes. Sure, a lot of people wouldn't like it, but I'm sure that kind of ending would be more appreciated than the current ending to most people. I mean, with as little spoilers as possible, how many people expected anything after Harbinger appeared?

[BeefoTheBold]

MaestroX101 wrote...

BeefoTheBold wrote...

MaestroX101 wrote...

Wes Mordine wrote...

The galaxy will still be mourning their billions! It's sad enough.

But Shepard (and by extension, the player) may have a happy ending by winning the war and reuniting with his/friends and LI.

Why not?

Whatever way you look at it, people shouldn't expect Shepard to survive, whether he wins or loses the war. In fact, the game would have a perfect ending if Shepard didn't defeat the Reapers. There are warnings starting from ME1 telling Shepard that he only continues to delay the enevitable.

You call that a perfect ending? Seriously? Your thought is that the best possible ending is that the entire galaxy should be annihilated and everything you've done should be pointless?

Man, you must be a lot of fun at parties.

I meant perfect as far as storytelling goes. Sure, a lot of people wouldn't like it, but I'm sure that kind of ending would be more appreciated than the current ending to most people. I mean, with as little spoilers as possible, how many people expected anything after Harbinger appeared?

I'm not saying that it wouldn't make a certain amount of sense, but I don't really think it would be perfect from a story telling standpoint. Literature of all kinds is filled with the theme of the underdog triumphing over seemingly impossible odds.

After all, Sauron didn't win in Lord of the Rings even though it would have made sense.

What makes heroes what they are is that they're able to buck impossible odds. It's why they're heroes to begin with.

[Tietj]

People who say that Shepard "has to" die in every ending because their nihilistic interpretation of the story and its themes demands it are as ridiculous and selfish as people who say that Shepard absolutely can never die in any ending. Strangely (or not), nobody is saying that.

[Quietness]

BeefoTheBold wrote...

born2beagator wrote...

devSin wrote...

There have been a fair number of people expressing support for a relatively upbeat ending, so it's not as if everybody is arguing against one.

I would love a happy ending.  and you should be able to earn one if you make the right choices.

I would love a RELATIVELY happy ending.

For all the mockery towards Casey Hudson's "bittersweet" comment, he's not completely off base. A "happy" ending is impossible because worlds all over the galaxy lie in ruin and billions have died.

There is a middle ground between a "happy" ending and a "kick you in the nuts and then shove a baseball bat up your rectum" ending which is what we have now.

I prefer to think that said baseball bat has rusted barbwire 'round it. Also add the fact of no lubricant...But lots of speculation for everyone on how the colonoscopy was delivered!

[DJBare]

MaestroX101 wrote...
Whatever way you look at it, people shouldn't expect Shepard to survive, whether he wins or loses the war. In fact, the game would have a perfect ending if Shepard didn't defeat the Reapers. There are warnings starting from ME1 telling Shepard that he only continues to delay the enevitable.

But it's also true that Shepard never takes a defeatist attitude, some guy tells me he is inevitably going to shoot me does not mean he is going to succeed.

[Fuzrum77]

 Good question, OP. Totally agree.

[BioWareM0d13]

I don't think there should be an ending where everyone gets to live happily ever after. I think Bioware went for the right tone with a bittersweet ending, it just wasn't executed well.

Bioware made the universe a casualty rather than members of the team, when it should have ended the other way around.  Galactic civilization should have survived, but it should have required some sacrifices on the part of Shepard and his team.

I'm not necessarily saying that Shepard should necessarily die in every ending, even though I find a heroic sacrifice ending more emotional & compelling when done right. Just that there should be a couple deaths on the team, whether or not one of those deaths is Shepard.

Modifié par Han Shot First, 30 mars 2012 - 05:21 .

[MaestroX101]

BeefoTheBold wrote...

MaestroX101 wrote...

BeefoTheBold wrote...

MaestroX101 wrote...

Wes Mordine wrote...

The galaxy will still be mourning their billions! It's sad enough.

But Shepard (and by extension, the player) may have a happy ending by winning the war and reuniting with his/friends and LI.

Why not?

Whatever way you look at it, people shouldn't expect Shepard to survive, whether he wins or loses the war. In fact, the game would have a perfect ending if Shepard didn't defeat the Reapers. There are warnings starting from ME1 telling Shepard that he only continues to delay the enevitable.

You call that a perfect ending? Seriously? Your thought is that the best possible ending is that the entire galaxy should be annihilated and everything you've done should be pointless?

Man, you must be a lot of fun at parties.

I meant perfect as far as storytelling goes. Sure, a lot of people wouldn't like it, but I'm sure that kind of ending would be more appreciated than the current ending to most people. I mean, with as little spoilers as possible, how many people expected anything after Harbinger appeared?

I'm not saying that it wouldn't make a certain amount of sense, but I don't really think it would be perfect from a story telling standpoint. Literature of all kinds is filled with the theme of the underdog triumphing over seemingly impossible odds.

After all, Sauron didn't win in Lord of the Rings even though it would have made sense.

What makes heroes what they are is that they're able to buck impossible odds. It's why they're heroes to begin with.

I'm only saying it would be perfect because it would be at the same time expected, yet unexpected. The whole time, you're playing as a human who has defied so many odds. For one, ME2 shouldn't even exist because of the Lazarus Project, but somehow Cerberus managed to make it work. After everything Shepard has done, you'll end up with a mindset that he's invincible and the Reapers have no chance against him. But boom, the inevitable happens. Obviously, the cinematic would have to be overly dramatic, but I honestly think (not saying that it HAS to happen) that this kind of ending would work better than most options, and would be a very respected ending if done right.