warlock22 wrote...
Well said!Wes Mordine wrote...
The galaxy will still be mourning their billions! It's sad enough.
But Shepard (and by extension, the player) may have a happy ending by winning the war and reuniting with his/friends and LI.
Why not?
Exactly. My canon Shepard lost Legion and Miranda on the suicide mission - I'm OK with that. There were people who endeavored to get the worst possible import for the third game. Mass Effect 2 had replay value precisely because its ending diverged in so many ways.TheRealJayDee wrote...
AlanC9 wrote...
PiEman wrote...
I would like a puppy. Razman thinks that my having a puppy will somehow infringe on his ability to carry around a dead, guttet-out puppy. I am not forcing anybody to have a puppy. Please do not kill mine and make it a handbag.
And again -- how do I not get a puppy?
And again - by not making decisions as the player with all the knowledge about dead and living puppies or whatever the alternative, but by making the decisions as your character would see fit and look what you end up with.
PiEman wrote...
I don't think the happy-ending haters will be satisfied with anything short of both making the endings turn out worse, and for the game to come with the discs pre-sharpened so they have something to cut themselves with.
Modifié par Han Shot First, 31 mars 2012 - 04:27 .
Han Shot First wrote...
PiEman wrote...
I don't think the happy-ending haters will be satisfied with anything short of both making the endings turn out worse, and for the game to come with the discs pre-sharpened so they have something to cut themselves with.
To be honest tha is what sort of has me worried with the whole retake Mass Effect movement. I hate the existing endings and was on board initially for DLC that provides a more satisfying conclusion, but I'm starting to see a greater push to make any ending correction a butterflies & rainbows type fairy tale conclusion. As that would be just as horrible as the existing endings as far as I'm concerned, I'd rather see the whole retake Mass Effect movement derail *if* that is the end goal.
A bittersweet tone to the endings was appropriate. Bioware just executed it very poorly.
Modifié par Fleshdress, 31 mars 2012 - 04:35 .
Han Shot First wrote...
To be honest tha is what sort of has me worried with the whole retake Mass Effect movement. I hate the existing endings and was on board initially for DLC that provides a more satisfying conclusion, but I'm starting to see a greater push to make any ending correction a butterflies & rainbows type fairy tale conclusion. As that would be just as horrible as the existing endings as far as I'm concerned, I'd rather see the whole retake Mass Effect movement derail *if* that is the end goal.
A bittersweet tone to the endings was appropriate. Bioware just executed it very poorly.
iakus wrote...
Han Shot First wrote...
To be honest tha is what sort of has me worried with the whole retake Mass Effect movement. I hate the existing endings and was on board initially for DLC that provides a more satisfying conclusion, but I'm starting to see a greater push to make any ending correction a butterflies & rainbows type fairy tale conclusion. As that would be just as horrible as the existing endings as far as I'm concerned, I'd rather see the whole retake Mass Effect movement derail *if* that is the end goal.
A bittersweet tone to the endings was appropriate. Bioware just executed it very poorly.
How exactly is having an ending where Shepard can walk away after everything that's happened "butterfllies and rainbows"?
DeinonSlayer wrote...
Exactly. My canon Shepard lost Legion and Miranda on the suicide mission - I'm OK with that. There were people who endeavored to get the worst possible import for the third game. Mass Effect 2 had replay value precisely because its ending diverged in so many ways.
Modifié par TheRealJayDee, 31 mars 2012 - 04:37 .
PiEman wrote...
Han Shot First wrote...
PiEman wrote...
I don't think the happy-ending haters will be satisfied with anything short of both making the endings turn out worse, and for the game to come with the discs pre-sharpened so they have something to cut themselves with.
To be honest tha is what sort of has me worried with the whole retake Mass Effect movement. I hate the existing endings and was on board initially for DLC that provides a more satisfying conclusion, but I'm starting to see a greater push to make any ending correction a butterflies & rainbows type fairy tale conclusion. As that would be just as horrible as the existing endings as far as I'm concerned, I'd rather see the whole retake Mass Effect movement derail *if* that is the end goal.
A bittersweet tone to the endings was appropriate. Bioware just executed it very poorly.
Again, here we are.
I'm so sick of nihlistic f*cks like you bringing everyone else down...
How exactly is having an ending where Shepard can walk away after everything that's happened "butterfllies and rainbows"?
Modifié par Han Shot First, 31 mars 2012 - 04:37 .
Han Shot First wrote...
PiEman wrote...
Han Shot First wrote...
PiEman wrote...
I don't think the happy-ending haters will be satisfied with anything short of both making the endings turn out worse, and for the game to come with the discs pre-sharpened so they have something to cut themselves with.
To be honest tha is what sort of has me worried with the whole retake Mass Effect movement. I hate the existing endings and was on board initially for DLC that provides a more satisfying conclusion, but I'm starting to see a greater push to make any ending correction a butterflies & rainbows type fairy tale conclusion. As that would be just as horrible as the existing endings as far as I'm concerned, I'd rather see the whole retake Mass Effect movement derail *if* that is the end goal.
A bittersweet tone to the endings was appropriate. Bioware just executed it very poorly.
Again, here we are.
I'm so sick of nihlistic f*cks like you bringing everyone else down...
Taking this a wee bit personal, are you? Relax. We are discussing a video game.
And thinking that Shepard or a squad mate or two should die in the end run does not make one a nihilist. Mass Effect 1 had a happy ending, despite Ashley or Kaidan dying. A happy ending for Mass Effect 3 is one in which the galaxy is saved, regardless of whether or not Shepard and everyone on his crew survives.
PiEman wrote...
Han Shot First wrote...
PiEman wrote...
Han Shot First wrote...
PiEman wrote...
I don't think the happy-ending haters will be satisfied with anything short of both making the endings turn out worse, and for the game to come with the discs pre-sharpened so they have something to cut themselves with.
To be honest tha is what sort of has me worried with the whole retake Mass Effect movement. I hate the existing endings and was on board initially for DLC that provides a more satisfying conclusion, but I'm starting to see a greater push to make any ending correction a butterflies & rainbows type fairy tale conclusion. As that would be just as horrible as the existing endings as far as I'm concerned, I'd rather see the whole retake Mass Effect movement derail *if* that is the end goal.
A bittersweet tone to the endings was appropriate. Bioware just executed it very poorly.
Again, here we are.
I'm so sick of nihlistic f*cks like you bringing everyone else down...
Taking this a wee bit personal, are you? Relax. We are discussing a video game.
And thinking that Shepard or a squad mate or two should die in the end run does not make one a nihilist. Mass Effect 1 had a happy ending, despite Ashley or Kaidan dying. A happy ending for Mass Effect 3 is one in which the galaxy is saved, regardless of whether or not Shepard and everyone on his crew survives.
No, but not allowing for any endings where Shepard lives or there's any shred of hope does.
Fleshdress wrote...
I hope you can all move away from this "happy ending" path. A better explained ending, a less confusing ending all are acceptable complaints. Not having the ability to kick back with you crew after the game, that argument, I believe, will lose you this tug-of-war with Bioware. It's your weak link. War isn't happy, in most situation although winning a war can feel like a relief and an accomplishment it is rarely happy, and thats an actual war, where losses are taken on both sides. Up until the very last battle the reapers aren't even waging war, from the looks of things they are exterminating.
Coming out of a thing like that... "happy" would be Shepard retaining a shred of sanity, "happy" would be anyone at all surviving. I am not going to bring up realism cause... it's a space game, but anyone walking away at the end with a smile on their face is a slap in the face to the monumental losses taken. I could do with some explanations but a scene with you, your spacelover and some space babies would be very out of place in this game and would detract from the theme.
IMHO
Modifié par Bfler, 31 mars 2012 - 04:40 .
Well, there are two separate complaints, as far as I can tell:Il Divo wrote...
Nightwriter wrote...
I don't understand grimdark lovers. But I'm perfectly happy to share disc space with them if we are both given the opportunity to have the endings we want. Everyone is happy. Yay.
Too bad ME3 pleases the grimdark lovers at my expense.
I'm a grimdark lover. Mass Effect 3 did not satisfy most of us.
Han Shot First wrote...
PiEman wrote...
I don't think the happy-ending haters will be satisfied with anything short of both making the endings turn out worse, and for the game to come with the discs pre-sharpened so they have something to cut themselves with.
To be honest tha is what sort of has me worried with the whole retake Mass Effect movement. I hate the existing endings and was on board initially for DLC that provides a more satisfying conclusion, but I'm starting to see a greater push to make any ending correction a butterflies & rainbows type fairy tale conclusion. As that would be just as horrible as the existing endings as far as I'm concerned, I'd rather see the whole retake Mass Effect movement derail *if* that is the end goal.
A bittersweet tone to the endings was appropriate. Bioware just executed it very poorly.
PiEman wrote...
iakus wrote...
Han Shot First wrote...
To be honest tha is what sort of has me worried with the whole retake Mass Effect movement. I hate the existing endings and was on board initially for DLC that provides a more satisfying conclusion, but I'm starting to see a greater push to make any ending correction a butterflies & rainbows type fairy tale conclusion. As that would be just as horrible as the existing endings as far as I'm concerned, I'd rather see the whole retake Mass Effect movement derail *if* that is the end goal.
A bittersweet tone to the endings was appropriate. Bioware just executed it very poorly.
How exactly is having an ending where Shepard can walk away after everything that's happened "butterfllies and rainbows"?
Because according to him, things have to be depressing and disappointing to be acceptable...
I think it's silently agreed that everyone wants #2, save for "artistic integrity" purists.Nightwriter wrote...
Well, there are two separate complaints, as far as I can tell:Il Divo wrote...
Nightwriter wrote...
I don't understand grimdark lovers. But I'm perfectly happy to share disc space with them if we are both given the opportunity to have the endings we want. Everyone is happy. Yay.
Too bad ME3 pleases the grimdark lovers at my expense.
I'm a grimdark lover. Mass Effect 3 did not satisfy most of us.
1. The endings force grimdark on us.
2. The endings don't make sense/leave too much unexplained/fail to deliver closure.
The OP of this thread seemed to be addressing only number 1.
Han Shot First wrote...
Shepard *and* every single member of his crew suriving would absolutely be a butterflies and rainbows ending. It is a fairy tale ending, not one grounded in any sense of realism, and completely devoid of any emotional impact. To have Shepard and his crew go into the final battle against a technologically superior foe that has annihilated every civilization it has ever faced in battle, only to come out completely unscathed, is so ridiculously implausible that it would be as unsatisfying a conclusion as the exisiting endings. The sweetest victories are dearly bought ones.
Nightwriter wrote...
Well, there are two separate complaints, as far as I can tell:Il Divo wrote...
Nightwriter wrote...
I don't understand grimdark lovers. But I'm perfectly happy to share disc space with them if we are both given the opportunity to have the endings we want. Everyone is happy. Yay.
Too bad ME3 pleases the grimdark lovers at my expense.
I'm a grimdark lover. Mass Effect 3 did not satisfy most of us.
1. The endings force grimdark on us.
2. The endings don't make sense/leave too much unexplained/fail to deliver closure.
The OP of this thread seemed to be addressing only number 1.
Would you please stop using the butterflies and rainbows strawman? What the majority of this thread is saying is that we want our Shep, LI, and maybe a few other crew members and friends, to survive and help rebuild the galaxy or retire. That's the happiest ending possible.
Fleshdress wrote...
This is just wrong. It's sunshine and butterflies because it could never happen without a nice dollop of space magic. It doesn't fit in with the rest of the game, or the series. It would be like having a my little ponies ending attatched. It doesn't belong. It doesn't and shouldn't need to be "happy" to bring people closure.
Shepard waking up in a hospital with their LI's hand on their shoulder and their "second closest relation" from the "marooned" ending somewhere nearby in a twenty-second cutscene with no dialogue would probably satisfy most of the "happy ending" crowd.JBONE27 wrote...
Han Shot First wrote...
PiEman wrote...
I don't think the happy-ending haters will be satisfied with anything short of both making the endings turn out worse, and for the game to come with the discs pre-sharpened so they have something to cut themselves with.
To be honest tha is what sort of has me worried with the whole retake Mass Effect movement. I hate the existing endings and was on board initially for DLC that provides a more satisfying conclusion, but I'm starting to see a greater push to make any ending correction a butterflies & rainbows type fairy tale conclusion. As that would be just as horrible as the existing endings as far as I'm concerned, I'd rather see the whole retake Mass Effect movement derail *if* that is the end goal.
A bittersweet tone to the endings was appropriate. Bioware just executed it very poorly.
Would you please stop using the butterflies and rainbows strawman? What the majority of this thread is saying is that we want our Shep, LI, and maybe a few other crew members and friends, to survive and help rebuild the galaxy or retire. That's the happiest ending possible.
I don't think anyone is asking for Shepard to wake up next to Liara in a beautiful apartment and say, "Damn, ever since we saw that giant robot movie I've been having the weridest dreams."
Back in bead Shepard says, "I think we should invite Tali and Garrus over for dinner tomorrow."
Liara responds, "Alright, I'll see if the Vegas look after the kids. Oh does your cousin Jeff still have that sexbot?" "Yeah, why?"
"I was thinking of inviting them too, but honestly she creeps me out. Oh, I got a call from Professor Anderson."
"Oh yeah, what's new with him?"
"Apparently he met a lovely blonde woman, and their getting serious."
"Wow, good for him, what does she do?"
"She recently got a job at the university as a dataminer."
They kiss, and Shepard turns out the light.
Modifié par DeinonSlayer, 31 mars 2012 - 04:47 .
Han Shot First wrote...
Would you please stop using the butterflies and rainbows strawman? What the majority of this thread is saying is that we want our Shep, LI, and maybe a few other crew members and friends, to survive and help rebuild the galaxy or retire. That's the happiest ending possible.
If by 'maybe a few other crew members and friends' you mean that not everyone on the squad survives, then we are on the same page. I just don't think there should be any ending DLC where not a single person dies.
I believe the fellow on the previous page stated that any option for a better ending turns Shepards who choose worse endings into fools.JBONE27 wrote...
I'm sorry if I came off that way. Honestly, I don't think they're too grimdark... I'm firmly in the number two camp. I just don't understand why people hate the idea of having an option for a funlight ending.
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