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[Curlain]

Yep, I want my Dragon Disiple class dammit!!

Modifié par Curlain, 02 décembre 2009 - 05:53 .

[The Angry One]

Curlain wrote...

But she did state to my human noble that
the Dalish elves have now longer lives in comparision to humans when I
asked about elves isolating themselves and if they had recovered
anything of their former lives (or some such) so it does seem to have
some effect.  Whether it will eventually allow them to get immortiality
back who knows, but their lifespans do seem to have began to get longer
once more

It's hardly surprising that they'd have longer
lifespans than the wretches forced to live in squalid, diseased hovels
where human guards can kill them for fun.

Suron wrote...



illogical? how? becuase you're trying to use real-world science on a fantasy realm.



if
they said in DA:O that all human/elf conceptions ended up with a flying
purple monkey beast flying out of the womans left nostril then that's
what it is.



the only thing "illogical" is how poeple want to argue that real-world science should work on MADE UP RACES...



in DA:O ALL human/elf pregnancies end with a human child.  Don't like it? tough.  Want to argue it? don't be stupid..it's not your world or lore.  



/thread

You do Gaider no service by being a wet nosed sycophant, I hope you realise that.

Hizuka wrote...

He's the head of the project, and he's the one writing the tales and setting the world in place.  His story; his books.  Saying that his word about his world is not gospel is like saying that JK Rowling is wrong about Dubmledore being gay or that Tolkein was wrong in thinking Frodo wanted peace and quiet.

Fact of the matter is that the writer's word IS gospel.

Sorry, no. I don't care who's written what. If it's inconsistant I'll damn well say so. And if it's the same writer making the inconsistency with their own work, that's even worse.
Moreover, the books are Gaider's own work. He's head of the game's writing team, sure. But he's obviously vetted by others. Hence, the books may be gospel for themselves, but not the game.

Don't like it? Tough. I don't care if it's Gaider or Tolkein, write something that barges against the rest of the lore like a ram in heat and I'll damn well point it out.

[Taleroth]

The Angry One wrote...

I'd expect it to have happened as Alistair was growing up.
In other words, I'd expect Alistair to tell me. I can't believe I have to explain this; Alistair tells you everything about his early life, about the pains and prejudices he experienced, particularily how the other templar recruits looked down on him as a noble bastard... yet not one of them ever called him the son of a knife-ear, just to rile him up? Really?

Lack of detail.  Just because you expect him to tell you everything doesn't mean he actually did.  It's far more likely the writer simply didn't think about adding that prejudice to his background than the writer actually intends half-elves to exist, but Alistair not be one.

[tmp7704]

The Angry One wrote...

It's inconsistant in that if half-elves were human, then we would see some "humans" in alienages by now.

I suspect given the treatment of elves (and attitude of elves towards humans) any child from such coupling which does wind up in alienage... gets the hell out of there as soon as they can and prefers to consider themselves 'pure human' with no elven traits left. That is presuming the elves who realize they're about to give birth to a human even stay in alienage in the first place (be it by their own choice or that of community)

Modifié par tmp7704, 02 décembre 2009 - 05:56 .

[The Angry One]

Suron wrote...

Hizuka wrote...

He's the head of the project, and he's the one writing the tales and setting the world in place.  His story; his books.  Saying that his word about his world is not gospel is like saying that JK Rowling is wrong about Dubmledore being gay or that Tolkein was wrong in thinking Frodo wanted peace and quiet.

Fact of the matter is that the writer's word IS gospel.

exactly my point..arguing about this is idiotic.  It's Gaiders world.  his word IS IN FACT gospel.

or like I said above.

don't like? tough.  make up your own world with it's own lore.

You know what? Even if it were gospel, I still get to say it's stupid.
Don't like that? Too bad, kid. I take a dim view of fanboys.

[Relshar]

LOTR does not have half elves. Instead they are human children but with far longer life spans than normal humans. Like Aragorn was at about 80 years old in the books/ films. Due to his Elven blood in his family tree.

So why cant DA background be simular in context ? Its fantasy not reality, next you will be saying magic cant exisit because it defies science.

[The Angry One]

Taleroth wrote...

Lack of detail.  Just because you expect him to tell you everything doesn't mean he actually did.  It's far more likely the writer simply didn't think about adding that prejudice to his background than the writer actually intends half-elves to exist, but Alistair not be one.

Excuses. If as a writer you want to add such an essentially odd detail to your story, then you damn well find a way to integrate it into the world and make it work.
I will not accept "because the writer says so" and I never will. If you do, well, that's your loss.

[Suron]

lol whatever Angry One. delude yourself all you want. You're obviously just a troll or an idiot....it's your opinion if you don't like the world lore....and that's fine.



what's not fine is trying to argue that a Writers own work, world, and lore isn't gospel in respect to said work. you don't have to like it. But your argument that it's not gospel is idiotic.

[The Angry One]

Relshar wrote...

LOTR does not have half elves. Instead they are human children but with far longer life spans than normal humans. Like Aragorn was at about 80 years old in the books/ films. Due to his Elven blood in his family tree.
So why cant DA background be simular in context ? Its fantasy not reality, next you will be saying magic cant exisit because it defies science.

a) This isn't LotR
It can be this way in DA if the world was written in such a way as to allow it convincingly. I say it isn't.

[Taleroth]

The Angry One wrote...

I will not accept "because the writer says so" and I never will.

Sometimes it makes more sense to say that than to simply foam at the mouth in rage.  Because you're not exactly accomlishing anything your way.

[The Angry One]

Suron wrote...

lol whatever Angry One. delude yourself all you want. You're obviously just a troll or an idiot....it's your opinion if you don't like the world lore....and that's fine.

what's not fine is trying to argue that a Writers own work, world, and lore isn't gospel in respect to said work. you don't have to like it. But your argument that it's not gospel is idiotic.

With regards to the game, it is not. Unless you somehow missed all the other writers, and the editors, and the fact that the books just don't gel with the game.

[Suron]

The Angry One wrote...

Taleroth wrote...

Lack of detail.  Just because you expect him to tell you everything doesn't mean he actually did.  It's far more likely the writer simply didn't think about adding that prejudice to his background than the writer actually intends half-elves to exist, but Alistair not be one.

Excuses. If as a writer you want to add such an essentially odd detail to your story, then you damn well find a way to integrate it into the world and make it work.
I will not accept "because the writer says so" and I never will. If you do, well, that's your loss.

like I said.  troll or idiot.  don't like what the writer writes..that's fine..pointing out you don't like what the writer writes is fine...but not accepting that a certain thing is the way it is because that's how the writer writes it to be?

IDIOTIC...

you don't have to like it..but what the writer says so....IS SO.

just get lost...every thread I see you in is nothing but a flame fest.  Troll

[ChickenDownUnder]

The point of a discussion is to, well... discuss the various points and sides on the matter. What another person deems to make sense, or not. Someone pulling the "cuz somebody said so" has as much sense as anyone willing to believe everything another person tells them, without ever wondering and thinking about the why.



So yes, while Gaider was indeed the lead writer and wrote the books, that doesn't mean his reasoning could never be wondered about.



Still doesn't explain why these "human elves" are never brought up in the game. And if Alistair is indeed the son of an elf, with all the human purists in the game of course it'd get brought up. A female elf can't become queen to Alistair's king at the end of the game... and since Alistair is the bastard son of an elf you'd think a few questions would be raised about his validity.

[The Angry One]

Taleroth wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

I will not accept "because the writer says so" and I never will.

Sometimes it makes more sense to say that than to simply foam at the mouth in rage.  Because you're not exactly accomlishing anything your way.

If you say so. I just happen to like some consistency. If it's not even hinted at in the game, why exactly should I even give consideration to what the book says?

[The Angry One]

Suron wrote...

like I said.  troll or idiot.  don't like what the writer writes..that's fine..pointing out you don't like what the writer writes is fine...but not accepting that a certain thing is the way it is because that's how the writer writes it to be?

IDIOTIC...

you don't have to like it..but what the writer says so....IS SO.

just get lost...every thread I see you in is nothing but a flame fest.  Troll

I love it when a fanboy melts down, I can almost sense the tears streaming down your face.
I'm sorry my views cause you to cry, perhaps next time you'll see things from a more objective view. Or not, I don't really care.

[Suron]

ChickenDownUnder wrote...

The point of a discussion is to, well... discuss the various points and sides on the matter. What another person deems to make sense, or not. Someone pulling the "cuz somebody said so" has as much sense as anyone willing to believe everything another person tells them, without ever wondering and thinking about the why.

So yes, while Gaider was indeed the lead writer and wrote the books, that doesn't mean his reasoning could never be wondered about.

Still doesn't explain why these "human elves" are never brought up in the game. And if Alistair is indeed the son of an elf, with all the human purists in the game of course it'd get brought up. A female elf can't become queen to Alistair's king at the end of the game... and since Alistair is the bastard son of an elf you'd think a few questions would be raised about his validity.

you don't have to agree or like his reasoning (or any writers for that matter) however, whether you agree, like, or not something they've writen doesn't change what is...

[Curlain]

Relshar wrote...

LOTR does not have half elves. Instead they are human children but with far longer life spans than normal humans. Like Aragorn was at about 80 years old in the books/ films. Due to his Elven blood in his family tree.
So why cant DA background be simular in context ? Its fantasy not reality, next you will be saying magic cant exisit because it defies science.

Aye, in LOTR Elrond and his brother Elros estentially have to choice between their elven/human ancestry (due to being the children of 2 generations of human/elven pairings.  Elrond chooses to belong to the elves (still gets called Elrond Half-Elven though) and Elros the human path, and founded Numenor which once it was destoryed by Eru due to Sauron's deceptions his line continued through Elendil down through to Aragorn (Arwen is able to make the same choice as her father, deciding to take the mortal human path again due to her human ancestry, though it is an odd sitution since she's also Aragorn far ancestor as well as his wife  )

[Kolaris8472]

What a silly thread. Its mentioned several times throughout the codex.

[The Angry One]

Suron wrote...

you don't have to agree or like his reasoning (or any writers for that matter) however, whether you agree, like, or not something they've writen doesn't change what is...

Who's changing anything? In your juvenile rage you miss the simple fact that people are merely pointing out the utter LACK of corroberating evidence within the game to support the ideas of the book.
If aspects of the book are NON-EXISTANT in the game, WHY do we even have to give them the time of day?

Oh right because a wizard David Gaider says so. Hah.

[The Angry One]

Kolaris8472 wrote...

What a silly thread. Its mentioned several times throughout the codex.

And if so I'm sure you can point to the specific entries, yes?

[Taleroth]

The Angry One wrote...

Taleroth wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

I will not accept "because the writer says so" and I never will.

Sometimes it makes more sense to say that than to simply foam at the mouth in rage.  Because you're not exactly accomlishing anything your way.

If you say so. I just happen to like some consistency. If it's not even hinted at in the game, why exactly should I even give consideration to what the book says?

Except it's still not an issue of consistency.  You'd like it to meet your expectations, when it instead ignores the topic altogether.

It's obviously not a big deal in the game either way, so why not take the explanation and call it a day?  It's a completely unimportant detail.  Unless you're one of those whackos who desperately needs their fanfic Mary Sue to be the archetypal Half-Elf, then it's very important to you.  You're not one of those, are you?

Modifié par Taleroth, 02 décembre 2009 - 06:08 .

[EvilDeity]

Kolaris8472 wrote...

What a silly thread. Its mentioned several times throughout the codex.

It is? I've completed the game and played several characters and never once saw any mention of half-elves during dialogue or in Codex entires. Have you any examples I can possibly look for in my prologue save?

[The Angry One]

Taleroth wrote...

Except it's still not an issue of consistency.  You'd like it to meet your expectations, when it instead ignores the topic altogether.

And you think ignoring it is a good thing?

It's obviously not a big deal in the game either way, so why not take the explanation and call it a day?  It's a completely unimportant detail.

How is Alistair's true heritage not a big deal? It could add a whole new dynamic to the elves and to Alistair, but instead is ignored while we're supposed to find out in a supplimentary book? Baloney.
Either show us how half-elves are "human" and the consequences of that, or it didn't happen. I will not accept it as so because the writer says it is and fill in the blanks for him.

[tmp7704]

If one asks why is there no human offsprings of elves in the alienages, they may as well ask why we don't see the casteless dwarves in the higher caste areas, even though such unions happen and the offsprings then become members of caste of one parent or another based on the gender.



The answer is most likely the same -- because the family/community involved takes care of getting rid of element they consider unworthy. You run into an effect of such "caretaking" in the Dust Town, for this matter.

[Taleroth]

The Angry One wrote...

Taleroth wrote...

Except it's still not an issue of consistency.  You'd like it to meet your expectations, when it instead ignores the topic altogether.

And you think ignoring it is a good thing?

I think Force Field countering Crushing Prison is a good thing.  I think the fade being bland sepia filter is a bad thing.  I think moving on with my life after finding out the official explanation for Half-Elves to be somewhere in between.

It's obviously not a big deal in the game either way, so why not take the explanation and call it a day?  It's a completely unimportant detail.

How is Alistair's true heritage not a big deal? It could add a whole new dynamic to the elves and to Alistair, but instead is ignored while we're supposed to find out in a supplimentary book? Baloney.

I don't think the game needs more Alistair/Elf dynamic.  We got enough.  I don't think "we're supposed" to do anything about it.

Either show us how half-elves are "human" and the consequences of that, or it didn't happen. I will not accept it as so because the writer says it is and fill in the blanks for him.

Fine, it didn't happen.  Can you rest easy, now?  I hope you don't lose anymore sleep wondering where the Half-Elves are.

Modifié par Taleroth, 02 décembre 2009 - 06:15 .