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[Aulis Vaara]

Militarized wrote...

Well at least you didn't deny the stupidity of your claim. Also, you might want to look it up yourself. Don't worry, I'll wait while you sound out the bigger words. 

Don't let yourself be drawn in, friend. This discussion is going in the wrong direction too quickly. I already reported one of his posts because he's being condescending and offensive in it.

I would suggest you do the same when you see it.

[ticklefist]

Dridengx wrote...

ticklefist wrote...

For the most part I respect what he's saying but this bit makes me go WTF?

If you wish to sum up the conclusion of a multi-part epic game series as
"Red, Green, and Blue," then feel free to. But please don't then
complain that the endings are oversimplified. You are the one who has
slapped that label onto it, not us.

I just don't understand what point he's trying to get across there.

Try reading it out loud and slowly.. it might help

Oh man, that's witty. Bet you didn't even wipe the cheeto dust off your fingers before you stabbed out that banger of an insult.

[ThePanzer99]

Give it a rest. Being a forum moderator is a thankless job, you can't expect everyone to be "on" 24/7. I know your upset over the ending and Woo's comment, but again, people can blow their top from time to time on the job. Let it go.

Yes, the ending is a disaster. Yes, Bioware could have handled it better. But I wouldn't and you wouldn't like to have every conversation where we said something poorly thrown back in our face every 5 minutes.

Either bioware "gets" that they've "broken their base" at this point or they don't. It's been weeks of constant twitter, media, and BSN froth. They can either fix it or lose a chunk of their customers, going after Woo isn't going to help and isn't fair to him.

[Militarized]

 

1104194442 wrote...

jez... don't feed the trolls

 

I can't help it right now. 

Dridengx wrote...

Militarized wrote...

Well at least you didn't deny the stupidity of your claim. Also, you might want to look it up yourself. Don't worry, I'll wait while you sound out the bigger words. 

I don't make claims and I also don't demand endings for video games either. I'm well aware of the word meaning and I'm also aware of your history here on the forums. Don't flamebait me, it's against the rules. I was merely giving advice

....you claimed the post will be viewed and reported and my post subjected to scrutiny, at this rate you may want to buy yourself a dictionary. You're aware of me? Well good because I'm aware of you as well and the only reason I'm bothering to respond to you is because I've had to read enough of your trolling/EA viral posts through out the board in your inept attempt to inflame the populace of BSN. You are the one flamebaiting, at least have the balls to stand by it instead of acting all nice after mocking people only a couple posts above this one in obvious trolling. 

Modifié par Militarized, 30 mars 2012 - 11:48 .

[Elyiia]

HenchxNarf wrote...



Oh sweet buttery Jesus. This whole thread is trolling. It's not someone's opinion. It's trolling and bashing Bioware for calling it how they see it (and most everyone else as well), but it's apparently not okay for someone to comment on the way you all are acting.

The whole thread is both sides trolling, but at least I might get my question answered out of it.

[TookYoCookies]

I think itd be more fair if bioware reps only gave CONSTRUCIVE CRITICISM to the posters on this forum. The ARTISTIC INTEGRITY of our posts is already censored enough by the basic guidelines set that allow our posts to be published on these forums. DESTRUCTIVE commentary towards your fan base does nothing to remedy the relationship between developer/fan. On top of doing nothing to fix the color coded cut scene sold to us as an ending.

[Hexley UK]

Shepard Wins wrote...

BioWare pride themselves on the account of listening to their fans. I'd really, really like to believe that. They have proven to listen before (not necessarily in matters connected to the ME3 endings backlash).

So:

Shepard Wins wrote, in another thread:

Stanley Woo wrote...

Snakedude4life wrote...

But
who asked for this ending? What feedback showed you (or rather the
designers) that we wanted "space magic"? or a ending that can be summed
as "Red, Green or Blue"? Also, did the feedback show that people
who might want to import an ME1 Face would have problems?

I'm
sorry. I was under the impression that BioWare was populated with
talented, creative individuals who have ideas of their own that they
would like to implement in the game. I didn't realize that each and
every facet of the game needed to be in response to a fan's request.

If
you wish to sum up the conclusion of a multi-part epic game series as
"Red, Green, and Blue," then feel free to. But please don't then
complain that the endings are oversimplified. You are the one who has
slapped that label onto it, not us.

(...)

Wow.
Just wow. I know this is a post from the beginning of the thread way
back, but I feel I have to address this. Mr Woo, pardon me, but what in
the name of all that's holy are you talking about? You're basically
saying people cannot fathom the endings. Accusing people of "summing up
the conclusion of a multi-part epic game as RGB" is just a really
polite way of saying "it's not our fault you're too stupid to
comprehend our artistic ending".

It's not our fault that the
endings are so ill-recieved. It's the fault of the team who created
those endings. There is a proverb in my native language (Polish) "Do
not turn the cat around by its tail". Do not blame others for what
you(BioWare) have done wrong. Well that's exactly what you did here, Mr
Woo. And it's insulting. And it really takes a lot of self control for
me to keep civil right now, as I have just been insulted. Again. (The
first insult was the ending - this is how I feel).

The endings
are being summarized as "RGB" because they are exactly that. I've
recently found an amazingly well done video that states exactly almost
everything that is wrong with the ending. Here it is:  .
Now, if you do listen to your fans at BioWare, this is a perfect
summary of why over 50 000 people (and that's just the number from the
Retake group on facebook) disliked the endings. I do believe you should
watch it. Yeah, I know it's almost 40 minutes long. But thanks to that
it's really detailed.

I also believe you should watch this  .
This is a reaction to the endings of one of the players. It's all
polite, no rage there. It was recorded by this player's brother with
what seems to be a camera he (the Player) was unaware of. He's just
confused and disappointed.

That's what this ending achieves.
Confusion and disappointment for thousands of people. These are not
singular cases, that's how majority of players reacted to the endings.

I'm
posting this, seeing you also post here, Mr Woo, and I do hope you read
this. But most of all I hope you see the videos I've linked. They
really say it all.

Here's the link: http://social.biowar...224/50#10763585

Sadly, this has remained unanswered and the thread was locked a few pages after that, with an explanation:

I think we have exhausted discussion on the original purpose of this thread. thank you for all the cool discussion, everyone.

End of line.

Well I am not exhausted yet. I was sincerely hoping to see Mr Woo, Mr Epler or other BioWare rep here on the boards to address this, seeing how much they've posted in the original thread. I especially wanted to bring their attention to two videos linked in my post quoted above. And I got disappointed.

I'm being stubborn here because I still feel insulted over this:

Stanley Woo wrote...

Snakedude4life wrote...

But
who asked for this ending? What feedback showed you (or rather the
designers) that we wanted "space magic"? or a ending that can be summed
as "Red, Green or Blue"? Also, did the feedback show that people
who might want to import an ME1 Face would have problems?

I'm
sorry. I was under the impression that BioWare was populated with
talented, creative individuals who have ideas of their own that they
would like to implement in the game. I didn't realize that each and
every facet of the game needed to be in response to a fan's request.

If
you wish to sum up the conclusion of a multi-part epic game series as
"Red, Green, and Blue," then feel free to. But please don't then
complain that the endings are oversimplified. You are the one who has
slapped that label onto it, not us.

(...)

Why it's insulting I've stated above, in my own quoted post. This is not BioWare listening to their fans. This is BioWare treating their fans like idiots. Locking the original thread now feels even more like stonewalling. I can't really speak for everyone but I have not been listened to. I've been ignored.

So my request is, BioWare - watch those videos. Let us know you have. Just an acknowledgement would do right now, even if you disagree completely with what's in them. That wouldn't make people happy but it would prove you do listen.

Well.

Do you listen?

You should post this in the "On the Mass Effect 3 endings. Yes, we are listening." thread m8.

[HenchxNarf]

Elyiia wrote...

The whole thread is both sides trolling, but at least I might get my question answered out of it.

I'm not trolling, I'm just observing the crap roll downhill..

[Dridengx]

Aulis Vaara wrote...
I already reported one of his posts because he's being condescending and offensive in it.

I would suggest you do the same when you see it.

offensive is a point of view, I didn't break any rules. I'm offended by how some of you attack Bioware or respond to such a fantastic game but I don't report you for that. Go ahead, do what you must. I already reported this thread, you think I would break the rules in a thread I reported? lol.

[HenchxNarf]

Militarized wrote...

....you claimed the post will be viewed and reported and my post subjected to scrutiny, at this rate you may want to buy yourself a dictionary. You're aware of me? Well good because I'm aware of you as well and the only reason I'm bothering to respond to you is because I've had to read enough of your trolling/EA viral posts through out the board in your inept attempt to inflame the populace of BSN. You are the one flamebaiting, at least have the balls to stand by it instead of acting all nice after mocking people only a couple posts above this one in obvious trolling. 

You do realize that you're just as bad as they are by saying this. Right?

[Malevolence65]

Dridengx wrote...

count_4 wrote...

BioWare has indeed developed great skill in insulting players. .

I didn't see one insult but then again you guys are known to cry about everything

If you honestly think that Bioware is never insulting, then you're beyond saving.

[Raynulf]

Okay.

Woo is a CM. His primary role is to keep order in the forums, typically by focusing his efforts on warning and/or elimating the least desirable (to Bioware and the rest of the community) members. This is rarely a fun job - much like being customer support - and confirmation bias is an occupational hazard.

If you follow the thread that quote came from, you will notice the change of tone with later posts, and the re-establishment of the more professional tone.

No, there was no appology for the break in professionalism. That said, we're all adults here and can deal with the fact that the people Bioware employs are still people. Just let it lie.

And on that note, I leave you to your peace

Cheers & good evening.


Edit: PS. Trolls don't need feeding, just ignoring.

Modifié par Raynulf, 30 mars 2012 - 11:52 .

[Elyiia]

HenchxNarf wrote...

Elyiia wrote...

The whole thread is both sides trolling, but at least I might get my question answered out of it.

I'm not trolling, I'm just observing the crap roll downhill..

I wasn't actually saying you specifically were trolling, I'm aware of how you post when someone with a different opinion treats you with respect.

But I want my question answered Bioware, please?

[jds1bio]

Ok, the endings - let's be clear - there is more going on there than just R,G,B.  So why would so many choose to characterize the endings as RGB and ABC? 

First - I know about the interviews in GameInformer and NowGamer and such that pre-date the release of ME3.  Some of what was said about the ending, which helped to set up gamer expectations, ended up reflecting rather poorly against the ending sequence.  This is one of the most basic, most overlooked, and least understood reasons behind fan angst regarding the ending.  But - that isn't Stanley Woo's fault, or anyone who actually worked on developing the ending sequence. 

So if Mr. Woo or anyone else gets on the defensive over it, even for a moment - don't sweat it.  You know where the original quotes came from and who said what, so don't continue to take it out on him or demand satisfaction from him, because he's not really the source of your problems.

Now, as far as simplification goes - It is not what the endings symbolize, or what may "really" be happening to Shepard, or what is open to speculation, that is simplified.  When you play through the endings, particularly at lower and lower EMS levels, you begin to see that what is said to Shepard by the Catalyst, and how the choices are handled, begin to make less and less general sense - even though the scenes are using all the same components, dialoge, choice options, and cutscenes as the scenes for the higher EMS levels.

Here, you need to do a bit more mental work to close the gaps between dialogue, event, and explanation.  And because you're not really exposed to anything different cinematically than you would be if you had a higher EMS level, it FEELS like things were simplified - you feel the strain of the dialogue stretching itself to match each possible arrangement of choices (destroy only, destroy/control only, control only, etc.).  If there had been genuinely separate and distinct dialogue and cutscenes for each EMS tier and each possible arrangement of choices, things might feel a bit more robust cinematically.  That's not to say that what is presented is shoddy or slapdash, but that point in the story doesn't seem to be the appropriate time for the player's reasoning to be strained.

I've tried to explain it away in terms of what the player is exposed to, I hope I did a sufficient enough job.

Modifié par jds1bio, 30 mars 2012 - 11:53 .

[ticklefist]

HenchxNarf wrote...

Oh sweet buttery Jesus. 

That's the kinkiest thing I've ever read. 

[poundoffleshaa]

Dridengx wrote...

ticklefist wrote...

For the most part I respect what he's saying but this bit makes me go WTF?

If you wish to sum up the conclusion of a multi-part epic game series as
"Red, Green, and Blue," then feel free to. But please don't then
complain that the endings are oversimplified. You are the one who has
slapped that label onto it, not us.

I just don't understand what point he's trying to get across there.

Try reading it out loud and slowly.. it might help

You are right summing up up the ending as red, green or blue is wrong it should actually be summed up as red explosion, blue explosion and green explosion. The explosion part is very important without it the colour effect just wouldn't be the same, you could also sum up all three endings as rocks fall everyone dies but that might be a bit of a oversimplification. 

I personally am glad to hear Bioware using a Reaper Defence aka "These endings are beyond your comprehension" I am just not sure how accurate such an arguement is.   

[HenchxNarf]

Elyiia wrote...

I wasn't actually saying you specifically were trolling, I'm aware of how you post when someone with a different opinion treats you with respect.

But I want my question answered Bioware, please?

Pretty much. You give respect, you get it. Pretty simple.

[Dridengx]

Militarized wrote...

....you claimed the post will be viewed and reported and my post subjected to scrutiny, at this rate you may want to buy yourself a dictionary. You're aware of me? Well good because I'm aware of you as well and the only reason I'm bothering to respond to you is because I've had to read enough of your trolling/EA viral posts through out the board in your inept attempt to inflame the populace of BSN. You are the one flamebaiting, at least have the balls to stand by it instead of acting all nice after mocking people only a couple posts above this one in obvious trolling. 

fraaay. Militarized, I really am concerned for you right now, take a deep breath, you have this all wrong. Bioware didn't mean what you thought and neither did I. calm down.. keep your head cool and realize you are looking pretty pety right now.. do me a favor though.. stay free.

[Gruzmog]

HenchxNarf wrote...

Oh sweet buttery Jesus. This whole thread is trolling. It's not someone's opinion. It's trolling and bashing Bioware for calling it how they see it (and most everyone else as well), but it's apparently not okay for someone to comment on the way you all are acting.

HenchxNarf wrote...

Elyiia wrote...

The whole thread is both sides trolling, but at least I might get my question answered out of it. [smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/bandit.png[/smilie]

I'm not trolling, I'm just observing the crap roll downhill..

Not trolling eh? Yet we all are acting in this way according to you..   right.

The OP is acting like a jerk and dredging up dead things that should stay dead. He and a few other clowns in this thread do not not represent the majority of the retake movement.

Edit:

HenchxNarf wrote...

Elyiia wrote...

I wasn't
actually saying you specifically were trolling, I'm aware of how you
post when someone with a different opinion treats you with respect.

But I want my question answered Bioware, please?

Pretty much. You give respect, you get it. Pretty simple.

Or perhaps I just cought you in a bad moment, my apoligies in that case.

Modifié par Gruzmog, 30 mars 2012 - 11:57 .

[Elyiia]

HenchxNarf wrote...

Elyiia wrote...

I wasn't actually saying you specifically were trolling, I'm aware of how you post when someone with a different opinion treats you with respect.

But I want my question answered Bioware, please?

Pretty much. You give respect, you get it. Pretty simple.

Which is why I like the "Could we beat the Reapers through warfare" threads. The math generally prevents trolls from derailing the thread and we get an entertaining and intelligent conversation.

[Militarized]

HenchxNarf wrote...

Militarized wrote...

....you claimed the post will be viewed and reported and my post subjected to scrutiny, at this rate you may want to buy yourself a dictionary. You're aware of me? Well good because I'm aware of you as well and the only reason I'm bothering to respond to you is because I've had to read enough of your trolling/EA viral posts through out the board in your inept attempt to inflame the populace of BSN. You are the one flamebaiting, at least have the balls to stand by it instead of acting all nice after mocking people only a couple posts above this one in obvious trolling. 

You do realize that you're just as bad as they are by saying this. Right?

I don't, but I'm putting it to rest there.  

Personally I didn't find Woo's statement the worst thing ever, to put the thread back on it's rails, and I understand he's just defending his fellow employees. The problem is it's just being exacerbated at the moment by the waiting game for PAX with there only being the slightest hope for new information. Peoples emotions will get heated on both ends, so why not forgive both parties? 

 

[Dridengx]

Gruzmog wrote...

The OP is acting like a jerk and dredging up dead things that should stay dead. He and a few other clowns in this thread do not not represent the majority of the retake movement.

Why don't you kick them out if they badly represent your group?

[HenchxNarf]

Gruzmog wrote...


Not trolling eh? Yet we all are acting in this way according to you..   right.

The OP is acting like a jerk and dredging up dead things that should stay dead. He and a few other clowns in this thread do not not represent the majority of the retake movement.

I meant in this thread. Maybe I needed to clarify a bit more. I didn't mean RTME as a whole.

Modifié par HenchxNarf, 30 mars 2012 - 11:58 .

[SimonTheFrog]

Weeelllll... i don't want to be in any of the CM shoes right now.
Being in the cross fire and all.

So, i would not take too much offense if their wording is bit harsher than usual.

BUT, being arrogant and defensive instead of understanding is not a good trait to have for that job. I hope they can understand why the retake movement is as strong as it is.

And there is always the fourth option: fix the mess!