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[G00N3R7883]

In my view, Snakedude4life's original comment that sparked this off was extremely sarcastic and trollish. Especially the part that basically says "if you're telling the truth about listening to fan feedback, there will never be any bugs in the game, because no fans will ever ask for bugs".

The only problem that I have with Stanley Woo is that he probably shouldn't have responded. Although I can understand how hard it must be to stay silent with so much critisism being thrown around day after day, thread after thread. Especially the critisism that is not constructive in nature. But the best thing to do with trolls is ignore them. Especially if you're a representative of a company like Bioware.

And yes, it is extremely oversimplifying things to suggest that the endings are Red, Green or Blue. And you know it is. Sure, the cutscenes might visually look the same. But I think there is more than a tiny bit of difference between destroying all Reapers (plus Geth and Edi), keeping the Reapers alive but forcing them to obey our commands, and merging all organic and synthetic life to create a new lifeform.

You know my biggest fear in this whole situation is that the trollish, hurtful personal attack posts overshadow the constructive critisism and good natured posts, forcing Bioware to feel like "to hell with it, those fans will never be happy whatever we do".

They have already said they're going to do something. Remember that whole "game content initiatives" thing? More information in April? It would be nice if everyone could be patient and just see what they're going to do.

Modifié par G00N3R7883, 30 mars 2012 - 12:36 .

[HITMAN629]

You do realize that Mr. Woo is entitled to his opinion, as are we. Its rare that any Bioware employees share their thoughts here, because this is often the reaction they get when they do.

Modifié par HITMAN629, 30 mars 2012 - 12:37 .

[Reign Tsumiraki]

Dridengx wrote...

count_4 wrote...

BioWare has indeed developed great skill in insulting players. .

I didn't see one insult but then again you guys are known to cry about everything

Why do you see fit to insult us in nearly every topic you post in?

Bioware "Insulted" the fans by lying about the ending. They promised that our choices would actually matter, and that they would not have ending A,B, or C. They promised to answer questions and give closure, not change the whole goal of the entire series in the last five minutes, and leave most of the fans unsatesfied and confused.

Disagree if you want, but don't hate us for expecting what we were promised.

[Eludicous]

This thread is pure gold from both sides.

[Fingertrip]

If you played Mass Effect and paid notice to it's rich story, you wouldn't be disapointed with the ending.

Long story short; Indoctrination.

[Meteor_VII]

Wow I am not a pro-ender in any way but yall are just trying to get pissed off about anything that anyone with a bioware tag says at times from my view.

[The Night Mammoth]

HITMAN629 wrote...

You do realize that Mr. Woo is entitled to his opinion, as are we. Its rare that any Bioware employees share their thoughts here, because this is often the reaction they get when they do.

Yes, he is, but responding to a poster in that way is bound to hit a few nerves, it's unproffesional. 

I'm not getting upset over it, it's not his fault EA assumed direct control and the higher ups thought it would be a great opportunity to milk the franchise even more. 

[Gedgehog]

Can we all (on all sides of the argument) refrain from enterin petty squabbles with each other? We need to address this together, not create an area of conflict and arguments. This goes to BW employees as well as the community. Let's not make this an us vs them environment, we're all better than that.

[Corrik Ronis]

Stanley Woo has had several posts such as this, where he "subtly" insults either fans or the movement. I have yet to see him respond to anyone calling him out on it and I doubt he will now. At this point there isn't much we can do about it so I suggest everyone stay calm and civil and not sink to such a level.

Hold the line.

[apieros]

1104194442 wrote...

jez... don't feed the trolls

Is there an "Ignore Poster" function? Because there are a couple of obvious trolls I'd like to Ignore.

Naming no names, but their modus operandi seems to be deliberately inciting anger, to get posters they dislike banned. It's a jerk move, but there you are.

[Johanna]

JulienJaden wrote...

tjmax wrote...

You know.. you can pick apart anyone out of anger. i think people hinging on every word and taking offence to everything being said is far beyond silly, and you wonder why they never say anything.

That may be the case, but that will only make matters worse. PR doesn't vent. On anybody. A company takes the blame and stays polite, no matter what. If somebody on the staff is angry, he has to take it out on something, but taking it out on the consumers is bound to cause trouble.

They can be angry. But frankly, if there's somebody they're supposed to be angry at, it's the guys who wrote the ending and EA for the deadline, cause they are the reason for all this.
And the sooner they stop taking it out on us, the more of their reputation is left to save.

[HITMAN629]

Corrik Ronis wrote...

Stanley Woo has had several posts such as this, where he "subtly" insults either fans or the movement. I have yet to see him respond to anyone calling him out on it and I doubt he will now. At this point there isn't much we can do about it so I suggest everyone stay calm and civil and not sink to such a level.

Hold the line.

He has also praised it, in fact alot of Bioware has. Yea, they are playing both sides. But untill they have a greenlight to say something offical, they kind of have to

[dreman9999]

It's like all of bsn community ignored everything in the game but the ending.
Yes, the ending is bad but what about the rest of the game. Get over yourselves people.

[Supersomething]

Ya I wasn't very happy with Woo's snarky reply myself.  The reason we summed it up as RGB in the first place is because thats all it consisted of.  Oh wait, I guess there were slight variations to RGB in each respective ending.  Its actually 3 possible red variations, 2 possible blue variations, and 1 possible green variation.... how could we have been so blind to such amazing artistic story telling.  How could we have missed such a drastic and glaring difference between those six endings!? 

Source for the ending variation:
www.youtube.com/watch

And thats it for my own snarky reply.

[Fisto The Sexbot]

TBH Mr. Woo's replies can often pass off as pretty arrogant for someone who's not even personally involved in 'creative' or 'talented' game development.

[mokponobi]

Umm, I think you would need to have been participating in that whole tread and reading everything that lead up to that post to get the proper context.

Mr. Woo was very polite and civil even in the face of many insulting fans.

2cents

[Steel Dancer]

jojimbo wrote...

didnt know that post existed, nice of woo to show his true colors.

Think that's a little on the harsh side to be honest. I'd doubt most of the people here could maintain the level of calm he's shown having to moderate a forum filled with this much strong feeling and moving at this speed.

[The Night Mammoth]

dreman9999 wrote...

It's like all of bsn community ignored everything in the game but the ending.
Yes, the ending is bad but what about the rest of the game. Get over yourselves people.

Wow, what a new perspective!

Truly, no one has ever said this before. 

Seriously, you don't ignore one giant flaw because the rest was mediocre. If you're served a turd in a bowl after an alright meal, do you eat up and ignore it because the steak was average?

Modifié par The Night Mammoth, 30 mars 2012 - 01:11 .

[Fisto The Sexbot]

ticklefist wrote...

For the most part I respect what he's saying but this bit makes me go WTF?

If you wish to sum up the conclusion of a multi-part epic game series as
"Red, Green, and Blue," then feel free to. But please don't then
complain that the endings are oversimplified. You are the one who has
slapped that label onto it, not us.

I just don't understand what point he's trying to get across there. The last I checked there was a thread detailing all the labels they'd slapped onto the ending. They weren't accurate.

Me neither. Read it in English, backwards, then translated it into Spanish using google and then back to English. Still not sure I get it.

Modifié par Fisto The Sexbot, 30 mars 2012 - 01:12 .

[Hendrik.III]

Reign Tsumiraki wrote...

Dridengx wrote...

count_4 wrote...

BioWare has indeed developed great skill in insulting players. .

I didn't see one insult but then again you guys are known to cry about everything

Why do you see fit to insult us in nearly every topic you post in?

Bioware "Insulted" the fans by lying about the ending. They promised that our choices would actually matter, and that they would not have ending A,B, or C. They promised to answer questions and give closure, not change the whole goal of the entire series in the last five minutes, and leave most of the fans unsatesfied and confused.

Disagree if you want, but don't hate us for expecting what we were promised.

There are more posters like him, provoking those who complain about the ending with childish insults. Don't know what pisses them off so much, but apparently something does. 

[Xellith]

InB4.

END OF LINE.

[apieros]

Hendrik.III wrote...

There are more posters like him, provoking those who complain about the ending with childish insults. Don't know what pisses them off so much, but apparently something does. 

Some are trolls, hoping to provoke you into a response intemperate enough to get you banned. 

Some are die-hard Bioware supporters infuriated by the criticism the company is receiving. Just the fact you criticize is enough to anger them. In their anger, they lash out with condescension, abuse, and contempt.

I just wish I could "Ignore" some of them. Seriously, is there no "Ignore" function on these boards?

Modifié par apieros, 30 mars 2012 - 01:17 .

[Shallyah]

Off Topic. This thread has nothing to do with Mass Effect 3 Story and Campaign Discussion and it's just a troll nest. Reported.

Modifié par Shallyah, 30 mars 2012 - 01:23 .

[Murkman4683]

I am not a Pro-Ender, just let me clarify that before I begin. Trudging up the past will do us no good in the long run. I agree with Stanley Woo, Bioware is a video game company filled with talented individuals, people who worked very hard to get where the are and are there for a reason. There seems to be a line that gets blurred between consumer and designer when it comes to the playerbase. We are not designers, regardless of how good our ideas might be, it is not our place to tell a professional company how to operate. Yeah, it would be great for them to listen to their fanbase, but we are not video game designers, we are just consumers. Just because we purchase a game that does not mean it gives us the right to tell a company how to design "their" game. If you want to make a difference, get a job in the industry and work your way up the corporate ladder. Then when you become a game designer and are sitting atop your throne of power you will look down and realize what Bioware and many other video game companies have to deal with on a daily basis.

We have to understand that, there seems to be a lot of confusion over consumer rights and game designing.

[Spectre-00N7]

The post Woo responded to can easily be taken as an insult. I'm sure both of them had the best intentions and did not try to insult anyone with their posts.