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[eldingo12]

Highlord Heian wrote...

Distilled Poison wrote...

Just stop feeding us these "technical restrictions" and "working with Sony" lies, when they are easily proven wrong.

You know, he says this, but he doesn't...actually prove anything.

If it's so easily proven wrong, why don't you? Why can't you? Why don't you substantiate your countless claims and accusations and denials and prove something that you base your entire ridiculous argument around.

But let's look logically at your train of thought:

Bioware + PC = Successful events
Bioware + Xbox = Successful events
Bioware + Playstation Network = Event failure.

Obvious conclusion is that Bioware's to blame, because it would be silly to logically think that the one variable that changes the outcome could somehow be at fault for the failure.

If you make a ham sandwhich one day, and then a turkey sandwhich the next, and then a peanut butter sandwhich the third, but after the peanut butter sandwhich you have a horrible rash and trouble breathing, do you assume you're allergic to bread!? No, you use common damn sense and recognize the one variable that changed and caused a compatability issue.

Wait....  I can't play the event, AND I don't get peanut butter?    RAGEQUIT!

[trauco gaiden]

this could be stop with a straight answer from bw, not tech problem answer, i mean a real answer, exactly what is going on, after that people can start to blaming, but bioware is in silence and this is why you see this threads..

to people saying bw already said tech problems and taht is enough, well i say hell no, i want to know what is going on, im not asking them for to fix it asap, i just want to know, is that so hard??

even more if they give us a real answer and they say this cant be fixed it , it will be ok, in this way we will know the truth, but again all can be solve with a real answer not the PR answer we have now.

[Clearly Balkan]

SeanThen1 wrote...

I just cannot fathom how people can believe there is this massive conspiracy on the part of Bioware against the PS3. How can you not logically see Bioware would do everything their power to try to make their costumer base happy? You keep saying, "Name me one source for..." Name me one source of a proven "Backroom deal" to snub players who bought a game on one system because a company of another platform made a "secret" deal. Who the hell believes crap like this?

It sounds like Playstation/Sony has a set of rules for what it is willing to allow its developers to do to their game which could cover any number of issues. Bioware designed several events which seems to fall outside of those sets of rules (Goliath/Raptor), and some that do not (The EXP multiplier weekend). It does suck that Sony isn't more flexible with its rules, but I would rather neat prizes and events take place than Bioware sticking only to "PS3 Approved" events at the cost of PC/X-box users, who I will go out on a limb and say outnumber PS3 users when combined.

Yes, that is speculation. I've yet to see a better line of logic being put forth beyond, "Microsoft/Bioware Conspiracy" or some sort of vague notion of Bioware purposely excluding Sony.

Conspiracy theorists are very sad & lonely people.

[Distilled Poison]

@CaduganFaber- Tell me more about that content patch. It's the first I've heard of it.

@Heian- So far this is how our conversing has gone.
Me- "I believe X"
You- "I can't believe you think/posted Y. Y is stupid and your ignorant."
I honestly believe you haven't read one of my posts to date.

[Ew_Tux]

CaduganFaber wrote...

Come on guys, think this one through. 

Has nobody else noticed that on Operation Goliath you needed to download a content patch; but with the extra XP weekend you didn't need to download anything?

Hold on to that thought, it's important. 

Giving "Commendation" and "Victory" packs seems to have required content patching that is done client side. Whereas adding XP can be done server-side. 

Now, for console based games, every single patch and update needs to be run through a certification process.  This usually takes time and money, but can be a very quick process too if it's a patch changing or enabling a single planned feature. 

Basically, if Microsoft/XBox played ball on letting Bioware release a patch for these events; but Sony decided to make them do full certification, that could cause a considerable problem with releasing these events for PS3. 

Even more so, Sony may have policies in place that limits the amount of gameplay information developers are allowed to collect, so even if Bioware/EA is allowed to track promotions and other base gameplay stats, Sony may not allow them to collect enough detailed information compared to PC or Xbox.

There are literally hundreds of reasons, all of which are Sony's problem, that could be delaying or stopping special events for PS3 owners. 

If that is the case then these events should be run in such a way that allows for the certification process, however from what you are saying, Bioware just doesn't give  toss and just runs these events leaving out a part of the player base.

As for your last statement, why is Bioware not being upfront with that then, this is all PS3 users are looking for, an honest answer. Technical Limitations to me sounds they haven't done enough research during developement and are now struggling to put it right.

I however fully disagree with the policies on gameplay information being released soley on the fact of having played BF3 which is an EA game, also uses Origin and has full stats to such a point that you would actually ask, why would i want to see so much stats.

[eldingo12]

trauco gaiden wrote...

this could be stop with a straight answer from bw, not tech problem answer, i mean a real answer, exactly what is going on, after that people can start to blaming, but bioware is in silence and this is why you see this threads..

to people saying bw already said tech problems and taht is enough, well i say hell no, i want to know what is going on, im not asking them for to fix it asap, i just want to know, is that so hard??

even more if they give us a real answer and they say this cant be fixed it , it will be ok, in this way we will know the truth, but again all can be solve with a real answer not the PR answer we have now.

What is sad is the fact that next week we will probably see the exact same thing again. 
Day one:
BIoWare: Special Event for xb360 and pc (maybe ps3, we'll let ya know)
Day Two:
BioWare: Sorry PS3 users "technical limitations" But we still love you (even though our actions indicate otherwise at every turn)


Soon I shall have an Xbox360 again.... Soon.  (sorry, not dropping another 60 on the game though.)

[gadna13]

Ew_Tux wrote...

I however fully disagree with the policies on gameplay information being released soley on the fact of having played BF3 which is an EA game, also uses Origin and has full stats to such a point that you would actually ask, why would i want to see so much stats.

Well BF3 also uses dedicated servers (though now offers the renting ability) so the info for stat tracking can be pulled straight from the server rather than accessing your account to retrieve the data. Also to note, stat tracking in no way changes anything in your account.  Maybe its possible that given you access to packs requires something being changed in your account (a simple true/false statement or something of that nature) which BW is restricted from doing by Sony.

Of course, all speculation and not saying you're wrong and I'm right. Just trying to give another side!

Modifié par gadna13, 30 mars 2012 - 02:40 .

[Highlord Heian]

Distilled Poison wrote...

@CaduganFaber- Tell me more about that content patch. It's the first I've heard of it.

@Heian- So far this is how our conversing has gone.
Me- "I believe X"
You- "I can't believe you think/posted Y. Y is stupid and your ignorant."
I honestly believe you haven't read one of my posts to date.

Good job ignoring my post completely.

You said you could prove something. I told you to provide the proof, you post this. This is why you don't use quotes, huh? So nobody can see how extremely nonsensical your responses are?

I also pointed out the complete failure of your logical process, which you also ignored. But I can do this, too.

Me- Here is what is wrong with your claims
You - Lols look at me change the subject so I can avoid responding to that

Actually, that's a synopsis of almost all of your responses thus far.

[eldingo12]

Highlord Heian wrote...

Distilled Poison wrote...

@CaduganFaber- Tell me more about that content patch. It's the first I've heard of it.

@Heian- So far this is how our conversing has gone.
Me- "I believe X"
You- "I can't believe you think/posted Y. Y is stupid and your ignorant."
I honestly believe you haven't read one of my posts to date.

Good job ignoring my post completely.

You said you could prove something. I told you to provide the proof, you post this. This is why you don't use quotes, huh? So nobody can see how extremely nonsensical your responses are?

I also pointed out the complete failure of your logical process, which you also ignored. But I can do this, too.

Me- Here is what is wrong with your claims
You - Lols look at me change the subject so I can avoid responding to that

Actually, that's a synopsis of almost all of your responses thus far.

It's not really anyone's fault....  It's just the way the human brain is "wired".  We believe what we want to believe even when there is undeniable proof that says otherwise...  Kinda the same reason religion is still around, but that's a whole other argument right there.

[Ew_Tux]

gadna13 wrote...

Ew_Tux wrote...

I however fully disagree with the policies on gameplay information being released soley on the fact of having played BF3 which is an EA game, also uses Origin and has full stats to such a point that you would actually ask, why would i want to see so much stats.

Well BF3 also uses dedicated servers (though now offers the renting ability) so the info for stat tracking can be pulled straight from the server rather than accessing your account to retrieve the data. Also to note, stat tracking in no way changes anything in your account.  Maybe its possible that given you access to packs requires something being changed in your account (a simple true/false statement or something of that nature) which BW is restricted from doing by Sony.

Of course, all speculation and not saying you're wrong and I'm right. Just trying to give another side!

I can accept that, ok, different sample that does not use dedicated servers and tracks stats. Call of Duty ..

On the second point, also something i can accept were it not for the content packs that are currently there and constantly added which requires a change to your account although this seems to be done globally, regardless of that, it still makes an change that is visible to PS3 users also.

[CaduganFaber]

Really? Nobody remembers the Operation Goliath "Raaage, I don't have my pack, Raaage!" and then the instructions to close ME3, Update via origin, then relaunch? because that's totally what PC users who had the game running at the time of the release had to do.

And it's BS to say Bioware isn't trying or they didn't put effort into making the game better. 

Consoles are a major PITA to develop for. PS3 more so than most others because of archaic design and general hardware problems. Or at least that's the answer Gabe Newell gave me back in 2009 when I asked him about why PS3 development was stalled for their games.

As for Bioware not giving you a 'Straight forward" answer.... how would you feel about a developer that just pointed fingers rather than trying to deal with the problem? I know i'd hate it and think it's unreasonable when they should be fixing things rather than assigning blame.

I know a thing or two about complaining to developers. Bioware is likely working very hard on the solution but will not comment because thanks to rabid fans, anything they say will be held on to as if it were writ in stone.

Modifié par CaduganFaber, 30 mars 2012 - 02:55 .

[Distilled Poison]

@Heian- I don't quote because I'm posting from my PS3 and the formatting is a ****.

The evidence is in the first post that you didn't read. Claims of inability to track stats are a joke. This is also why I'm ignoring your posts from here on out. You ignore mine ("Show proof" when it's in the first post), tell me I feel some way about something when I clearly don't (telling me I'm a Sony fanboy who blames Bioware when IDGAF about Sony and I'm not saying it's Bioware's fault, only that they're being incredibly misleading) and flat out misunderstanding my posts (my entire previous thread).

In short, you're a bad joke and I'm done waiting for the punchline.

[Dewart]

I have read this thread and have come to the conclusion that the op should stop using words they do not know the meaning of. The op shoulds also look up the word logic. The fact that you don't understand/deflect Highlord Heian's posts show that you really don't grasp the concept of logic.

[Highlord Heian]

Distilled Poison wrote...

@Heian- So far this is how our conversing has gone.
Me- "I believe X"
You- "I can't believe you think/posted Y. Y is stupid and your ignorant."
I honestly believe you haven't read one of my posts to date.

A couple more things about this. When I say "Y", it's actually something you posted. I quote your posts directly, unlike you, who does whatever you can to respond out of context.

And I'm offended that you would infer my grammar is anywhere near as terrible as yours. If you're going to attempt to emulate me, have the common sense to at least have somebody smarter than you draft it up.

[gadna13]

Ew_Tux wrote...

gadna13 wrote...

Ew_Tux wrote...

I however fully disagree with the policies on gameplay information being released soley on the fact of having played BF3 which is an EA game, also uses Origin and has full stats to such a point that you would actually ask, why would i want to see so much stats.

Well BF3 also uses dedicated servers (though now offers the renting ability) so the info for stat tracking can be pulled straight from the server rather than accessing your account to retrieve the data. Also to note, stat tracking in no way changes anything in your account.  Maybe its possible that given you access to packs requires something being changed in your account (a simple true/false statement or something of that nature) which BW is restricted from doing by Sony.

Of course, all speculation and not saying you're wrong and I'm right. Just trying to give another side!

I can accept that, ok, different sample that does not use dedicated servers and tracks stats. Call of Duty ..

On the second point, also something i can accept were it not for the content packs that are currently there and constantly added which requires a change to your account although this seems to be done globally, regardless of that, it still makes an change that is visible to PS3 users also.

Yea I have no explanation on the COD front.

Perhaps though, they are allowed to see (certain) data from your account which they can gather stats from. However, making any necessary changes to it, they are prevented from doing.

With the weekly content packs, these are given to everyone so they could possibly just store the info for the packs server-side and give access to anyone and everyone. The special packs are probably also stored the same way but a certain field on your account (speculation this is what happens) must be changed by participating in said event. They check that field, and if you participated you gain access to the pack.  With no way to change this field, you can't be given access.

That's what I was thinking with that second point. Seems like it could be true, though I really have absolutely no idea (I don't know a lot of things).

[Ew_Tux]

CaduganFaber wrote...

Consoles are a major PITA to develop for. PS3 more so than most others because of archaic design and general hardware problems. Or at least that's the answer Gabe Newell gave me back in 2009 when I asked him about why PS3 development was stalled for their games.

Then don't make promises that cannot be kept and charge the same for a copy of the game that has limitations. Again, this comes back to incompetence and lazy game development.

You would have thought that these events were tried and tested during the multiplayer QA and would have brought these issues to attention ...

[Distilled Poison]

"And I'm offended that you would infer my grammar is anywhere near as terrible as yours."

Hah, I fail to catch a grammar mistake and suddenly my grammar is terrible? You'd be lost without ad hominems.

[Highlord Heian]

Distilled Poison wrote...

@Heian- I don't quote because I'm posting from my PS3 and the formatting is a ****.

The evidence is in the first post that you didn't read. Claims of inability to track stats are a joke. This is also why I'm ignoring your posts from here on out. You ignore mine ("Show proof" when it's in the first post), tell me I feel some way about something when I clearly don't (telling me I'm a Sony fanboy who blames Bioware when IDGAF about Sony and I'm not saying it's Bioware's fault, only that they're being incredibly misleading) and flat out misunderstanding my posts (my entire previous thread).

In short, you're a bad joke and I'm done waiting for the punchline.

You mean, the first post that I quoted from, but didn't read, apparently?

No, that's not evidence. That's what you think proves something. It's absolutely nothing. I provide better proof in a sandwich metaphor.

[gadna13]

Distilled Poison wrote...

In short, you're a bad joke and I'm done waiting for the punchline.

If you're going to call him out about using an ad hominem argument, you should possibly try to avoid them yourself. That way you both don't just keep on insulting each other and possibly you can have an actual argument. That or just ignore it.

[Highlord Heian]

Distilled Poison wrote...

"And I'm offended that you would infer my grammar is anywhere near as terrible as yours."

Hah, I fail to catch a grammar mistake and suddenly my grammar is terrible? You'd be lost without ad hominems.

Obviously you don't know what an Ad Hominem is.

[Ew_Tux]

gadna13 wrote...

Yea I have no explanation on the COD front.

Perhaps though, they are allowed to see (certain) data from your account which they can gather stats from. However, making any necessary changes to it, they are prevented from doing.

With the weekly content packs, these are given to everyone so they could possibly just store the info for the packs server-side and give access to anyone and everyone. The special packs are probably also stored the same way but a certain field on your account (speculation this is what happens) must be changed by participating in said event. They check that field, and if you participated you gain access to the pack.  With no way to change this field, you can't be given access.

That's what I was thinking with that second point. Seems like it could be true, though I really have absolutely no idea (I don't know a lot of things).

Exactly why Bioware needs to step up to the plate and come forward in relation to these issues. The fact that they don't is suspisious to me. People make speculations, even me, however those speculations are based around logic thinking, not just randomly pointing a finger. Every argument has been answered with providing samples of similar setups that allow for stats tracking and account changes.

However when some one mentioned that other games had similar issues and was confronted to provide the names of said game the crickets came out to play ...<_<

These account changes are constantly done by most multiplayer games, you reach a certain rank, take a certain action, you unlock something. And before you say this is all done locally, rank and stats are stored remotely, this is why some users complain sometimes that their stats have been reset, only to find out a server was restarted or was down ...

[Klokos]

Distilled Poison wrote...

"And I'm offended that you would infer my grammar is anywhere near as terrible as yours."

Hah, I fail to catch a grammar mistake and suddenly my grammar is terrible? You'd be lost without ad hominems.

 It's not like your posts were empty of them....

[Distilled Poison]

@gadna13- I'll be the mature one here and say,

He started it. =P

[Slyde1052]

Actually the reason they probably say "Technical Limitations" is because they can't say "Sony is being a jerk about it" because the latter is not very PC and could be justifiably seen as slander.

There shouldn't be a "technical limitation" in terms of hardware or software configuration as PS3's and Xbox's are roughly identical in performance ability aside from storage medium capacity (If you argue otherwise...you're wrong, trust me, I'm a certified technician). Unless there's no way of tracking COMMUNITY objectives as opposed to INDIVIDUAL objectives over PSN. which I doubt.

This, of course, leaves politics. And why on Earth or beyond would a developer crap on a system that they developed a game for? Why would EA allow that? Its ridiculous. For all your talk about logic you exercise none in constantly refusing to even think Sony could be the issue, this is why you're being seen as a fanboy.

[Dewart]

Klokos wrote...

Distilled Poison wrote...

"And I'm offended that you would infer my grammar is anywhere near as terrible as yours."

Hah, I fail to catch a grammar mistake and suddenly my grammar is terrible? You'd be lost without ad hominems.

 It's not like your posts were empty of them....

To be honest I don't think he fully understands the term since he claims quotes taken out of context count as ad hominem.