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[Your Denden]

So I guess in summary, the post is about:

Distilled Poison is arguing to get a straight answer. However, he states that Bioware's claims can be disproven. Everyone else feels that it means he is against Bioware, rather than thinking that he is merely against the thought of "technical limitations".

Here's the thing, he never said Bioware was in a conspiracy, but just said that the "answers" they gave to the community are wrong. It's like a murder scene where Guy 1 claims that "he doesn't know a thing about the murder". Guy 2 could say Guy 1 is lying and that he does know something about it, but that does not mean Guy 2 is saying Guy 1 is the murderer. Yes, bad metaphor but this is the best I can come up with.

Modifié par Your Denden, 30 mars 2012 - 05:24 .

[eldingo12]

mrcanada wrote...

I'm now done with the MP aspect of the game and will be forever until the PS3 issue is sorted out. This is just lazy on both companies part.

Sitting on 5 characters to promote and for what? Very, very frustrated.

A more appropriate protest (and one that I feel would hurt more) would be to play the crap out of Multiplayer, play it all day, every day and don't buy anything that costs money (DLC).  You bought the game, make them support your playing and not make a cent off of it. 

[Highlord Heian]

Your Denden wrote...

So I guess in summary, the post is about:

Distilled Poison is arguing to get a straight answer. However, he states that Bioware's claims can be disproven. Everyone else feels that it means he is against Bioware, rather than thinking that he is merely against the thought of "technical limitations".

Here's the thing, he never said Bioware was in a conspiracy, but just said that the "answers" they gave to the community are wrong. It's like a murder scene where Guy 1 claims that "he doesn't know a thing about the murder". Guy 2 could say Guy 1 is lying and that he does know something about it, but that does not mean Guy 2 is saying Guy 1 is the murderer. Yes, bad metaphor but this is the best I can come up with.

Except that he refuses to believe the straight answer, that it's an issue pulling data from the playstation network. He wants an answer he would rather hear: that he can blame bioware.

This thread is about "excuding PS3", not "PS3 can't participate". He is actively blaming bioware, and his claims that they can be "disproven" are never, ever substantiated.

Long story short: he got a straight answer a long time ago, he just doesn't like it.

Running with your murder metaphor, it is as if he was investigating a murder and had suspect #!, and suspect #2, and he decided suspect #1 had done it before even investigating. Sure, he questions suspect #2, but his only question is "Why do you think Suspect #1 is guilty?". He's not looking for an answer, he's looking to support his already-drawn conclusion.

Modifié par Highlord Heian, 30 mars 2012 - 05:37 .

[Slyde1052]

Distilled Poison is totally right!

I found proof!!!

This explains where He's getting his info!

[bloodDragon80]

Slyde1052 wrote...

Distilled Poison is totally right!

I found proof!!!

This explains where He's getting his info!

rofl

[Highlord Heian]

Distilled Poison wrote...

@SirCroft
Assuming Sony is in control of free events on their platform:
Why would they not approve of a promotion already approved of by competitors?
Why would Sony actively deny their users free content?
What are these other games that are suffering? (Other than exclusivity deals?)

/facepalm

Assuming Sony is in control of free events on their platform:

Really? That's your counter there? Assuming they control their platform? Assuming they control the information that other companies have access to, from their network? Are you implying that Sony doesn't have legal control of the information on their networks?

And what about the reverse? Assuming Bioware controls all content across all platforms, including networks that aren't their own... that, that you think makes sense. You would never apply your own criticism to your precious opinion, though.

Why would Sony actively deny their users free content?

And exactly why the **** do you think Bioware would do that? Your own logic completely dismantles your own ridiculous conclusions. Yes, it's an exclusivity deal, for free promotions. It's not content. You can only have exclusivity for content. Exclusive weapons, maps, classes, but not free weekend community participation activities. If you're trying to imply that Xbox is paying for exclusive promo weekends, then how, exactly, are PC players getting them? Who's paying Bioware for that?

Explain your completely senseless claim with that. Your absolutely mind-numbing narrow-minded opinion doesn't even hold up to your own half-assed responses.

[Distilled Poison]

@Heian- And no matter how many times I say otherwise, you keep spouting that same crap. Because you know how I feel and what I believe better than I do, right? That's how you can say I want to blame Bioware, right? This is why you're nothing but a joke. I've seen trolls on 4chan with more sense and decency than you. All you do is state what you think I think as fact. Just leave, you're not contributing anything but desperate claws for attention by being as willfully ignorant as possible.

[Distilled Poison]

"Really? That's your counter there?"

That's not a counter, that's a preface, genius. Slow down, control your aggro, you're going to DPS very slowly.

"And exactly why the **** do you think Bioware would do that?"

I don't, as I've stated before. I don't believe either Sony or Bioware are just blocking content for funsies, I believe there's more to it than that that we won't know without an official statement.

[Slyde1052]

So you're saying, basically that money is keeping the events ON Xbox and (somehow) PC?

It could also be said, then, that Money (or the unwarranted desire of) is keeping the events OFF of Sony's console.

As you can see, this works either way, and the pattern is there, buried in the data: Every game controlled by MS interests is usually latched onto Games for Windows LIVE. If the PC Version of ME3 is, it is possible. If not...You're wrong.

[Distilled Poison]

False dichotomy Slyde. You're assuming the only two possibilities are Sony's fault or Microsoft exclusivity. There are dozens of possibilities. Some Sony's fault, some Bioware's, some both.

[Zaydin]

I sincerely doubt MS got a timed exclusivity deal over the N7 weekend challenges. You know why? Because Microsoft would have made a big deal about snagging the timed exclusivity, the way they trumpted the fact that the first DLC or two for Skyrim would be out on the 360 a month earlier than on the PC or PS3. What's the point in getting exclusivity if no one knows you have it? If you get exclusivity, you want people to know you have it so they have reason to buy your platforms version of the game.

Gotta love the logic that EA/BioWare is deliberately taking steps to alienate and upset a third of their potential playerbase for multiplayer by not including them in weekend events.

Seriously, are you so devoted to Sony that you refuse to consider that perhaps they are the problem? What possible reason would EA/BioWare have to leave the PS3 players out if the decision was theirs? It's in their best interest as a company to extend as much as they can to all their customers; if they can't do things for the PS3, odds are it's Sony and their policies at fault, not EA/BioWare.

[Distilled Poison]

Thank you Zaydin for proving you haven't read any of my posts. I've stated the exact opposite of each of your statements in this thread, especially the Sony fanboy part.

[Highlord Heian]

Distilled Poison wrote...

"Really? That's your counter there?"

That's not a counter, that's a preface, genius. Slow down, control your aggro, you're going to DPS very slowly.

"And exactly why the **** do you think Bioware would do that?"

I don't, as I've stated before. I don't believe either Sony or Bioware are just blocking content for funsies, I believe there's more to it than that that we won't know without an official statement.

Your responses are absurd. They really are.

"I don't believe either Sony or Bioware are just blocking content for funsies"

Meanwhile in the thread title:

"Excluding PS3 Makes Sense."

The clear implication that Bioware is excluding the PS3, constantly. Completely denying any response that could cast blame at Sony.

And the constant mention of "exclusivity", to which you have still not answered "If it's 'exclusive' then who's paying for PC players in this 'exclusive' promotion?"

[Highlord Heian]

Distilled Poison wrote...

Thank you Zaydin for proving you haven't read any of my posts. I've stated the exact opposite of each of your statements in this thread, especially the Sony fanboy part.

You can say you're not, but it if looks like a duck, walks like a duck, and sounds like a duck....

Let's take a look: you immediately jump to Sony's defense at any mention of their network issues, and any answer, especially SirCroft's reasonable explanation, is met with an immediate response specifically defending Sony and only Sony. You're not a sony fanboy in the same way Fox News is fair and balanced in political matters.

Your ridiculous exclusivity theories are just absurd - still ignoring the PC access to the events, by the way.

Modifié par Highlord Heian, 30 mars 2012 - 06:15 .

[Distilled Poison]

Edit- Nevermind. You're past the point of trolling and clear into full retard territory.

Modifié par Distilled Poison, 30 mars 2012 - 06:18 .

[Ew_Tux]

bloodDragon80 wrote...

Ew_Tux wrote...

SirCroft wrote...

Can BioWare track your stats? Yes.
Does Sony allow it? Obviously.
Can BioWare promote free, multiplatform events on the PS3 without Sony's agreement? No.
Will Sony sue their asses if they do so? Yes!

It's simple, it's not BioWare's fault, other games have suffered the same thing because Sony has their heads way too deep up their asses. It is relevant because it means that BioWare isn't the only dev having to deal with Sony's shenanigans.

It can't get any more obvious. Point me a reason why BioWare would allienate PS3 players.

4th time i think I'm saying this. Incompetence and lazy development.

I've been doing some reading on the site and this issue popped up with the early access to the demo which was referred to as "platform limitations". Knowing damn well of these limitations the game was released and sold at the same price as the other platform without any statement to the fact that the PS3 edition would be limited in certain areas.

Events like this are held all the time on other games, double xp, nuketown only ... etc ...

I'm stepping away from this debate as as stated before , it has 2 sides and no one will accept any answer unless an official statement is made. For me that official statement is the deciding factor of buying any future Bioware game.

hmmm....wasn't last weekends event a double exp? and didn't ps3 have that? also nuketown only is simply taking all of the other maps out of the map cycle except nuketown and adding a playlist for it, similiar to adding the packages with certain chances increased or certain item types that will be unlocked. but the commendation pack is different in that it needs to know if the player has done a certain thing in order to reward them the pack.

How does the game know that i've unlocked a veteran pack.
How does the game know that i decided to promote and update my N7 status on the leaderboards or show it in game lobby for whoever is online to see.
How does the game assign me kill points and decide whether i should get a kill or an assist ... Those are all stats that pass through the matchmaking servers ... the moment it passes through it can and probably is captured. 

Last weekend was 25% xp yes, and yes PS3 got it, we also have the new promotional packs. All of these indicate that it's not impossible to do what is required and that Sony is actually allowing the additions of the packs, taken the stats to indicate it's a kill or an assist ...

[bloodDragon80]

you two argue like a married couple

[Ew_Tux]

Highlord Heian wrote...

Your Denden wrote...

So I guess in summary, the post is about:

Distilled Poison is arguing to get a straight answer. However, he states that Bioware's claims can be disproven. Everyone else feels that it means he is against Bioware, rather than thinking that he is merely against the thought of "technical limitations".

Here's the thing, he never said Bioware was in a conspiracy, but just said that the "answers" they gave to the community are wrong. It's like a murder scene where Guy 1 claims that "he doesn't know a thing about the murder". Guy 2 could say Guy 1 is lying and that he does know something about it, but that does not mean Guy 2 is saying Guy 1 is the murderer. Yes, bad metaphor but this is the best I can come up with.

Except that he refuses to believe the straight answer, that it's an issue pulling data from the playstation network. He wants an answer he would rather hear: that he can blame bioware.

Sorry, i missed the official statement from Bioware that states that it is an issue with pulling data from the Playstation Network, can you please provide a link to where it says that and not "Technical Limitation" 

[bloodDragon80]

Ew_Tux wrote...
How does the game know that i've unlocked a veteran pack.
How does the game know that i decided to promote and update my N7 status on the leaderboards or show it in game lobby for whoever is online to see.
How does the game assign me kill points and decide whether i should get a kill or an assist ... Those are all stats that pass through the matchmaking servers ... the moment it passes through it can and probably is captured. 

Last weekend was 25% xp yes, and yes PS3 got it, we also have the new promotional packs. All of these indicate that it's not impossible to do what is required and that Sony is actually allowing the additions of the packs, taken the stats to indicate it's a kill or an assist ...

i will take a post from another forum member to help you understand:

Bioware can add and remove packs without collecting player feedback, because that's something that is done server side.  To make sure players completed the requirements for the operation, Bioware needed information to be collected from the client side.  Due to Sony's current policies regarding the release of information, the client side data to show if PS3 players completed the challenge or not was not able to be given to Bioware.  Since Bioware could not confirm if the players completed it, they could not give out the packs to the PS3 players.
The reason PS3 players were able to participate in the 25% bonus XP weekend is because that is something adjusted server side.  It does not require any data to be collected from the client side, so there is no conflict with Sony's privacy policies.
Bioware has no control over Sony's policies, so stop going around saying they don't care about PS3 players.  They're trying to work with Sony to let you guys be involved in future events, so be patient and let them do their jobs.

[ReVision92]

Distilled Poison wrote...

Edit- Nevermind. You're past the point of trolling and clear into full retard territory.

Not to mention what's does it mean to not be included.......hmmmm excluded maybe?

[Dewart]

Highlord Heian wrote...

Distilled Poison wrote...

Thank you Zaydin for proving you haven't read any of my posts. I've stated the exact opposite of each of your statements in this thread, especially the Sony fanboy part.

You can say you're not, but it if looks like a duck, walks like a duck, and sounds like a duck....

Let's take a look: you immediately jump to Sony's defense at any mention of their network issues, and any answer, especially SirCroft's reasonable explanation, is met with an immediate response specifically defending Sony and only Sony. You're not a sony fanboy in the same way Fox News is fair and balanced in political matters.

Your ridiculous exclusivity theories are just absurd - still ignoring the PC access to the events, by the way.

Distilled is basically ignoring any points that are against his argument and taking quotes out of context. If you make a really good point he either makes no comment or states that "you havn't read any of my posts." The other tactic used is to toss around words that he either uses improperly or alters the meaning of those words in his own head. I am really thinking that distilled doen't actually want an answer and actually just wants to argue with people or incite arguments among others. I believe there is a term for that which escapes me at the moment. lol

[Omicronceti]

Seriously, this is hilarious.

"Hey, guys...why is this happening?"

"Well, we think it could be because of A, B and C"

"No, that's not why"

"Um...why the hell did you even bother asking then?"

Modifié par Omicronceti, 30 mars 2012 - 06:26 .

[Mazandus]

All I know is ps3 couldn't get the BF3 soldier even though BF3 has an agreement to get things on the ps3 1st. All I know is ps3 can't benefit from the codes inside the action figures. All I know is the ps3 has been excluded from 2 weekend events that revolve around packs.

The common theme here is:

ps3 is excluded, and it seems to be something to do with packs. Considering ps3 users can buy packs with credits and buy packs with $, I don't think the problem some kind of coding problem which makes the console physically incapable of getting the packs, as if that were the case, we wouldn't be able to even use the store. I also don't think it has anything to do wit Sony wanting to skim $ off the top. If that were the case then they would force users to use $ for all similar purchases, like EA's Utlimate Team packs, which are the closest analogy and probable inspiration for the ME3 packs.

All I know is I can log onto FIFA UT on a web app, make a purchase or get a free pack because of some holiday whatever, and voila! Those players are on my ps3 account when I turn it on. So, I for one, find it incredibly hard to believe it is some restriction of the ps3 or the psn network. (considering at least in FIFA UT, there have absolutely been tournaments every week which grant tokens or credits or whatever, so this theory that Sony never wants to be involved in community events is just a load of ****ing horse****.)

I believe it must have something to do with the "share online data" option that EA/BW requires to be "on" to participate in. Perhaps Sony is unwilling to divulge some information, perhaps they are willing but want EA/BW to pay for it, perhaps EA/BW don't feel they get the data quick enough, I don't know. Perhaps its tied to purchases, maybe EA wants to know if purchases with $ spike during the community events and they want to have the data available by the following monday morning instead of at the end of the month when the invoice comes in. I don't know. Its certainly more plausible than the rest of the hackneyed bull**** most of you morons are posting about though.


We can speculate, we can whine, we can cry, we can tell each other how dumb we are and try (and fail, spectacularly in some cases) at logic wars. Bottom line is no one from Sony or BW is talking (as of this writing the community managers haven't even bothered to update the raptor thread, classy, real, real, classy) and we just don't know. And until BW says "it ain't our fault, yell at Sony." this is the goddamned place to post in. Its their forum for their game. They have community managers for a reason. Who are also silent, for a reason.

[Sparda Stonerule]

Where are my events Bioware? Where is the sense in this thread? Who knows.

LOTS OF SPECULATION!

[Ew_Tux]

bloodDragon80 wrote...

you two argue like a married couple

Sorry for disturbing your precious internet time, I'm just looking for a straight answer that is not just made up by some forums users that can stand seeing threads were paying customers complain about services not provided.

This is exactly why developers and service providers run all over people, they get away with it. It's such a shame that the shoe is not on the other foot, not that i would wish it on you but just to see the reaction then.

Feel free to stop clicking on this thread however