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[HoonDing]

Yrkoon wrote...

Demogorgon isn't in BG2, he's in Throne of Bhaal. And no biggie if you're up against fire immune critters, if a simple Death spell doesn't wipe them all out instantly, just replace Dragon's breath with Abi-Dhalzim's Horrid Wilting.

Creatures like baalors, fiends, mariliths and Demogorgon have high magic resistance along with fire immunity. Your spell spam tactic wouldn't work out that well.

Modifié par virumor, 03 avril 2012 - 06:29 .

[bussinrounds]

Yrkoon wrote...

bussinrounds wrote...

And the DA supporters continue to avoid the the topic of monster/enemy variety....

Probably because it doesn't have squat to do with dumbing down.  The intelligence needed to wipe out the myriad of BG's Orcs, goblins,  gnolls,  Xvarts, bandits etc, is not any higher than what it takes to defeat DA:O's varieties of Darkspawn.

Intelligence  ?   Your making it sound like I said you need to be a rocket scientist to play BG and DA is only for neanderthals. LOL.   Neither games are hard, especially once you learn the systems. But yes, the encounter design is MUCH better in Baldurs and yes, fighting the myriad of d&d monsters is more interesting and fun than darkspawn #8768934786734537894679876984734.

      Also, BG has alot more mods for it.  Is there any eqivalent of such a mod like SCS for DAO ?

[Volourn]

O RLY? there's a huge difference between fighting xfarts, kobolds, orcs, and the other emaningless fodder in the BG games? LMAO


Mods should be irrelevant to this discussion.

Afterall, NWN has the most and the best mods 9the BG mods all friggin' suck) so i guess it wins. R00fles!

Then again, NWN is deeper and more complex than either DA or BG system wise.

[Seagloom]

Volourn wrote...

Then again, NWN is deeper and more complex than either DA or BG system wise.

True dat.

[bussinrounds]

The only thing good about NWN is the toolset/mods and playing MP.

[Seagloom]

So... basically the whole game then? XD

I thought Shadows of Undrentide was okay. Hordes of the Underdark was BioWare caliber stuff from what I played of it. IMO NWN's only weakness was the original campaign. Talk about your generic stories packed with filler content. It was like NWN2 without the cool bits such as the trial, full party, or Crossroad Keep.

Modifié par Seagloom, 03 avril 2012 - 07:55 .

[HoonDing]

NWN certainly set the trend for the ancient evils returning and gathering X items to beat said evil.

I should've stopped playing after witnessing an adventurers' college being wiped out by level 1 goblins.

Modifié par virumor, 03 avril 2012 - 08:01 .

[AlanC9]

Seagloom wrote...

 Hordes of the Underdark was BioWare caliber stuff from what I played of it. 

You didn't finish?

[Seagloom]

Nope. I was heavily invested in a persistent world at the time. Then when that world died I jumped on a new one for a few years. I was too burned out on NWN by the time I stopped playing regularly online. Then other games came along, and the stars have never aligned since.

Modifié par Seagloom, 03 avril 2012 - 08:29 .

[Andarthiel_Demigod]

bussinrounds wrote...

The only thing good about NWN is the toolset/mods and playing MP.

And the fact that it was using D&D 3rd edition which is vastly superior to that nonsense that BG was using.
The customization of class, abilities etc. was one of the best things about NWN, there were so many different builds.

But anyway, the whole argument that BG has more depth/tactics/complexity than DA(or vice versa) is pretty silly.They both have flaws and strengths.

[Ryllen Laerth Kriel]

HotU was fairly decent, although it could of done without Aribeth. She's the worst character Bioware has ever written, to me. The only bad thing about HotU was the Monty Haul style loot that dropped everywhere, which was just as bad as Throne of Bhaal. I do miss the depth of character creation and combat types in NWN. DA character builds are so bland and generic and there's little combat strategy to any of the encounters. DA:O and especially DA 2 have terrible class systems with overly streamlined, limited abilities. DA 2 didn't help things by limiting how a mage or warrior could be played further either by restricting items and cross class abilities. In most cRPGs I come initially for the story and stay for the playability. DA:O and DA 2 had story, but are just not very fun for me to play with such shallow combat and character building. I wish Bioware would deepen character skills instead of streamlining them even more.

[Volourn]

"She's the worst character Bioware has ever written"

Nah. the retard Minsc is followed by idiotic Deekin earn that crown.

[Yrkoon]

Ryllen Laerth Kriel wrote...

HotU was fairly decent, although it could of done without Aribeth. She's the worst character Bioware has ever written, to me.

One of the Best actually.  I'd rank her in my top 5...somewhere in the middle.

1) Morrigan
2) Irenicus
3)Aribeth
4)Viconia
5)Edwin

bussinrounds wrote...


Also, BG has alot more mods for it.

Than DA:O?  No.  It doesn't.    Not even close.   Go to Nexus  sometime  and be stunned to silence by  the sheer numbers.  DA:O has a toolset  and a larger fan base, so it's naturally going to generate more mods.

Modifié par Yrkoon, 04 avril 2012 - 01:44 .

[Gatt9]

AlanC9 wrote...

Volourn wrote...
L0L BIo 'dumbing down' their games rpgness. HA. That's cute. But, hey no ending choice in BG1 and chocie of be a good or not be a good in BG2 is so deep and so awesoem comapred to the 'horrible' ME3 ending which while it has its illogicalness also gives the player some actual choice.

ME3 ending > BG1 or BG2 ending.

No contest.

Hell, before ToB we didn't even get that much choice in BG2. Kill Foozle. Period.

Good to have you back, man.

You mean kind of like today where a three game series is finished with "Pick a color"?

Are you guys even trying?  I mean seriously,  the arguements in this thread are so weak not even I will be bothered picking them apart.

[Kaiser Arian XVII]

Volourn wrote...

"She's the worst character Bioware has ever written"

Nah. the retard Minsc is followed by idiotic Deekin earn that crown.

lolwut?!

Both are great characters. Darth Malak and some of Jade Empire squadies, T.I.M and Udina in ME3 are the worst.

[Kaiser Arian XVII]

Gatt9 wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...

Volourn wrote...
L0L BIo 'dumbing down' their games rpgness. HA. That's cute. But, hey no ending choice in BG1 and chocie of be a good or not be a good in BG2 is so deep and so awesoem comapred to the 'horrible' ME3 ending which while it has its illogicalness also gives the player some actual choice.

ME3 ending > BG1 or BG2 ending.

No contest.

Hell, before ToB we didn't even get that much choice in BG2. Kill Foozle. Period.

Good to have you back, man.

You mean kind of like today where a three game series is finished with "Pick a color"?

Are you guys even trying?  I mean seriously,  the arguements in this thread are so weak not even I will be bothered picking them apart.

The meaning behind these colors is what's important! lol
Seriously, 3 lines and 3 colors is the ending. Laziness of bioware ...

[k177sh0t]

I guess the CoD crowd they were looking for didn't appear hence DA2 expansion cannned

[Gotholhorakh]

k177sh0t wrote...

I guess the CoD crowd they were looking for didn't appear hence DA2 expansion cannned

Ha, I love FPS games, and DA2 didn't do anything for me at all. As an action game it's just boring and awkward.

Should have stuck with towering over the RPG world rather than trying to climb up onto CoD's toecaps imo.

Volourn wrote...

"She's the worst character Bioware has ever written"

Nah. the retard Minsc is followed by idiotic Deekin earn that crown.

What the... how... Just what kind of a world do you live in?!!!

Modifié par Gotholhorakh, 04 avril 2012 - 09:19 .

[Seagloom]

Minsc is an awfully written character in my opinion. That said, I thought little of Aribeth too. BioWare writers have created much better lady characters.

Modifié par Seagloom, 04 avril 2012 - 06:38 .

[robmokron]

Skelter192 wrote...

Scorcher24 wrote...

greengoron89 wrote...

NWN2 was developed by Obsidian, not Bioware.

Maybe, but it was made in contract with Bioware.

Obsidian > Bioware

Obsidian is great as using other people's IPs. Their own Ip of Alpha Protocol, fell short to most. Bioware takes the cake.

Bioware > Obsidian x 9001

[Deviija]

I'll have to disagree that Minsc is an awfully written character. Did he lack perceivable depth due to fluff and exaggerated delusional behavior? Sure. But I liked him for what he provided as counterpoint to the other characters, and the humor.

Now Aribeth? I'll gladly agree that she was a terrible character and poorly written in her plotlines, 'romance,' and afterlife drivel. If there is any BW game that should be pointed to and used as an example of 'never do again,' it is NWN's OC, imo.

[Volourn]

"lolwut?!

Both are great characters. Darth Malak and some of Jade Empire squadies, T.I.M and Udina in ME3 are the worst."

Dark Malak works for what he is - the final moustache twirling bad guy.. JE sqaudies are awesome. Udina is perfect as he is. TIM is alright. he could have been awesome but a few mistssteps were taken.

Deekin and Minsc are putrid.


"What the... how... Just what kind of a world do you live in?!!! "

One where you shouldn't be cheering on a retarded character who cna't tie his own shoelaces or even follows the game rules (Minsc is no friggin' ranger) or have such an annoying voice who reminds me too much of Jar Jar. (though he improved A LITTLE in HOTU).


Obsidian's best games are other' Ip as mentioned as above. FO:NV is aswesome. NWN2 and KOTOR2 were both good as well. DS3 looked so dumb I didn't even bother with it, and AP is one of th worst games I have ever played.


P.S. Aribether is easily one of BIO's best characters. BIO thoguht so too since they used her again in KOTOR. L0L

Modifié par Volourn, 04 avril 2012 - 06:59 .

[Seagloom]

Minsc is funny but he has no depth. I can agree he succeeds at making most players laugh; which was obviously Kristjanson's intention. Where I think he fails is at feeling like a real person. Imoen, Jan, and even Edwin to an extent; felt like characters that could stand on their own outside being occasional comic relief. Minsc brought nothing else to the table.

I do not find one-note characters compelling. Baldur's Gate had several of those. Xzar, Alora, Safana, Xan, and so on. Baldur's Gate II raised the bar for every returning character except Minsc; and it showed.

Modifié par Seagloom, 04 avril 2012 - 07:08 .

[Seagloom]

Volourn wrote...

P.S. Aribether is easily one of BIO's best characters. BIO thoguht so too since they used her again in KOTOR. L0L

Ouch. Also not untrue if examining of the broad strokes of Aribeth and Bastila's story arcs.

[Blastback]

Seagloom wrote...

Minsc is funny but he has no depth. I can agree he succeeds at making most players laugh; which was obviously Kristjanson's intention. Where I think he fails is at feeling like a real person. Imoen, Jan, and even Edwin to an extent; felt like characters that could stand on their own outside being occasional comic relief. Minsc brought nothing else to the table.

I do not find one-note characters compelling. Baldur's Gate had several of those. Xzar, Alora, Safana, Xan, and so on. Baldur's Gate II raised the bar for every returning character except Minsc; and it showed.

Fair point.  Minsc never had much depth to him, but honestly, not every character needs it.