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[SabaOra]

Just to get this out of the way as I grow severly tired of this extreamly useless peices of "advice". My drivers and game are completely up to date, i've tried every combination for compatability, and i have DX9.0c, .Net 4, and VC++ installed. I am running Windows 7 x64, have an i7, Intel HD Graphics 3000, and 6gigs of ram.

Now the problem is very frustrateing as i can seem to get it to fix and i've been digging through alot of forums and problems, i can't seem to find any one that fits mine. When I load up the game and click options text is missing from the options menu, i can kind of get it to work again switching to 1024x768, going to windowed mode, and then back to full screen. However reguardless of if I "fix" the options menu by this weird work around, the pictures and text are all screwed up in game.

Any help would be greatly apreciated, and by help, I don't mean repeteing the same mindless, useless bable that gets repeted to everyone.

[NWN DM]

Even on the internet, when asking complete strangers for assistance, one waits until after an attempt is made before dispensing the crap sandwich as a "thank you".

[kamal_]

Your graphics drivers are the problem.

[painofdungeoneternal]

Seems like you know more than I do, I can't really add anything except I would assume it's a graphics driver - seems some of the newer drivers actually created problems since they stopped supporting features nwn2 used when it was made - but from what you've already eliminated that as a possibility.

Even then it's a complete guess on my part. Not even sure if that intel card works with the game as when the game was released integrated video and the like were something that just would not cut it, but then i don't know a lot about which cards work well with the game.

Only other option is a botched install or using items from the vault in such a way that trashes everything. Zap everything and reinstall or use steam to fix your install and just zap your player folder in my documents. Seen odd things with a corrupt model or screwed up xml files which might match what you are dealing with -- but these things would usually be self inflicted (happens when i hex edit game files usually ) and it seems almost impossible this is what you are dealing with.

[Gorath Alpha]

Look at the game's requirements.

Minimum System Requirements:
- Windows XP

- 512MB System RAM
- Pentium 4 2.4 GHz or Athlon XP 2000 or equivalent
- 128MB Direct3D compatible video card with DirectX 9.0c compatible driver
(GeForce 6600 GT or Radeon 9700 Pro graphics card with SM 2.0 or better)**
- CD-ROM or DVD-ROM drive
- 4.6GB free hard disk space
- DirectX 9.0c (included)
- DirectX 8.1 compatible sound card
- Microsoft .NET 2.0 Framework for toolset (included)
- Broadband connection for multiplayer online play
- Keyboard, Mouse

Recommended:
- 3 GHz Intel Pentium 4 or equivalent processor
- 1GB System Ram
- 5.5 GB hard disk space
- ATI Radeon X800 series, NVIDIA GeForce 6800 series or higher video card

** (Although the two minimum cards aren't quite just Pie in the Sky wishful thinking from Atari, the 6600 GT is really very limited for manipulating shaders effectively, especially compared to the various SM-2 capable Radeon 9n00s, so the 6800 Vanilla makes a better minimum, and the 7800 GT a better "Recommended" Geforce. The Radeon X800s were available in such a wide variety, it is far better to name the X800 Pro or better as Recommended, in order to avoid the SE and Vanilla versions.)

Intel hasn't gotten that good yet.  And it still doesn't dedicate any video RAM to any Intel video solution. 

Modifié par Gorath Alpha, 30 mars 2012 - 09:52 .

[SabaOra]

Gorath Alpha wrote...

Look at the game's requirements.

Recommended:
- 3 GHz Intel Pentium 4 or equivalent processor
- 1GB System Ram
- 5.5 GB hard disk space
- ATI Radeon X800 series, NVIDIA GeForce 6800 series or higher video card

** (Although the two minimum cards aren't quite just Pie in the Sky wishful thinking from Atari, the 6600 GT is really very limited for manipulating shaders effectively, especially compared to the various SM-2 capable Radeon 9n00s, so the 6800 Vanilla makes a better minimum, and the 7800 GT a better "Recommended" Geforce. The Radeon X800s were available in such a wide variety, it is far better to name the X800 Pro or better as Recommended, in order to avoid the SE and Vanilla versions.)

Intel hasn't gotten that good yet.

I would agree to this except the game itself runs just fine, it's simply the interface that falls apart. I can start a game and the models, shadows, motions, so on and so forth, all work fine, I can almost crank everything to max and not get problems, with XP mode installed the Interface functions just fine but then the graphics suffer becuase the hardware is emulated (I assume it is on the regular XP mode as well, but i can't really find out for sure as i don't own Win7 Pro. I had to use VMLites version.) I've also attempted to completely replace the Fonts and it helped a little bit, but the pictures where still borked, by all means the game isn't acting up THAT much, it's just the the UI is messed up enough that it makes it almost unusable unless i use that little work around.

I also think some of the dlls put into the games folder to suplement the origonal files needed on the system to get the game to run is cuaseing some of the problems, but I wouldn't know how exactly to get newer, or better versioins of the runtime dlls  to fix the problems. Every and all problems stem from the fonts and the pictures not loading properly, everything else is fine.

[SabaOra]

NWN DM wrote...

Even on the internet, when asking complete strangers for assistance, one waits until after an attempt is made before dispensing the crap sandwich as a "thank you".

I would have been a little less forward about the issue if not for the fact that alot of the time I go to ANY forum to ask for help people imediatly spit out that same, and honestly very unusefull and aggrovateing crap, "update your drivers and your DX and blah blah blah, I don't really know what i'm talking about". If people would instead attempt to adress the specific issues instead of handing out the some "solution" time and again people might make progress with an issue instead of the endless spiral of no progress. If you google a problem with NWN2 in windows 7 9/10 results will just give you a forum with people repeteing this nonsense and only maybe 3 cases I found that acctualy helped someone.

I understand that what I said would come off rude, but to be honest I don't have the hours to waste waiting for some help and just getting a bogus answer like everyone else. If you can't see why i put it this way, then i do appologize and I hoped this cleared why I put it that way up. Now, any ideas as to what might help fix the issue?

Modifié par SabaOra, 30 mars 2012 - 08:24 .

[kevL]

picture?

imageshack.us allows upload w/out an account ...

[SabaOra]

kevL wrote...

picture?

imageshack.us allows upload w/out an account ...

It'll take a second, i had the game installed on the VM so i don't have it installed right now

[SabaOra]

Font won't load right
http://imageshack.us...9/53722368.jpg/

Pictures don't load fully or at all
http://imageshack.us...7/69322841.jpg/

That is litteraly all thats wrong

[SabaOra]

Oh, one more thing, the game runs fine under windows 8 and it worked fine when I used NWN2 Gold Edition, the issues didn't come up till I bought and installed the Complete edition under windows 7

Modifié par SabaOra, 30 mars 2012 - 09:57 .

[painofdungeoneternal]

We actually ask for you to list your driver version, and frankly any random person coming to you for help, the first question you would ask them yourself is if their drivers are up to date. The issue is pretty much a video card related one from what it sounded like, the screen posts might make it a font issue but that assumes a corrupted installation or bad custom content-really doubt that is the issue. ( We have a how to post thread which is helpful. )

Just because you are used to getting negative responses is really no excuse to pre-empt that negativity, generally if you peruse other posts here we are pretty helpful but we are just fellow users. There is going to have to be some back and forth especially when you just post the minimum info. Those wasted hours are actually those on the other side working on solving your problem, and it might take a while before you describe the problem enough so that the one person who know the issue reads your post and is able to respond properly.

We need to know what else is going on. You are doing this in a VM, what exactly are you doing - is this a VM running on linux or some other OS. Windows 8 works fine but it's just a beta right, it might have features which address the problems which windows 7 does not have. I would assume best results in xp. The current version you are using, where did you get it, ( Steam, DVD at store, etc. )

Modifié par painofdungeoneternal, 30 mars 2012 - 10:03 .

[SabaOra]

painofdungeoneternal wrote...

We actually ask for you to list your driver version, and frankly any random person coming to you for help, the first question you would ask them yourself is if their drivers are up to date. The issue is pretty much a video card related one from what it sounded like, the screen posts might make it a font issue but that assumes a corrupted installation or bad custom content-really doubt that is the issue. ( We have a how to post thread which is helpful. )

Just because you are used to getting negative responses is really no excuse to pre-empt that negativity, generally if you peruse other posts here we are pretty helpful but we are just fellow users. There is going to have to be some back and forth especially when you just post the minimum info. Those wasted hours are actually those on the other side working on solving your problem, and it might take a while before you describe the problem enough so that the one person who know the issue reads your post and is able to respond properly.

We need to know what else is going on. You are doing this in a VM, what exactly are you doing - is this a VM running on linux or some other OS. Windows 8 works fine but it's just a beta right, it might have features which address the problems which windows 7 does not have. I would assume best results in xp. The current version you are using, where did you get it, ( Steam, DVD at store, etc. )

Driver Version is 8.15.10.2653, however the one I had to install in windows 8 was somewhat modified, but only becuase it wasn't signed for windows 8 and the driver was changed accordingly, I don't acctualy know IT'S version number, i do however know it was updated shortly after installing it in that system. And as i stated earlier I was useing windows 7's XP Mode which is a glorified VM that "runs in the backround". However since i didn't own a copy of windows 7 pro it was running through the free VMLight version that can be found with a simple google search.

The NWN2/NWN copy is a 2 disc DVD, AKA The Complete Edition. The font files themselves are fine as i bothered to replace them and even installed them to my system to see if that would fix the problem by makeing the fonts supported natively, I don't suspect a faulty install medium, but since i've gotten this game to work 4 times before, I highly doubt it's a driver problem. I got it to work correctly on windows 8 with these discs by turning the resolution to native, however before that the text was borked like before until the resolution was turned up.

Another two times where on both windows 8 and 7 useing the Gold Edition. I can't vouch for the portrait files as they're in a format that can't simply be opened by a picture viewer. The final other instance i got it to work under this system was with wine under Linux Mint, but I don't think that matters in this scenario

Modifié par SabaOra, 30 mars 2012 - 10:12 .

[kamal_]

VMLight "Windows XP Mode Without hardware virtualization"
yeah, I can't imagine how lacking hardware virtualization would be an issue...

How about you just run it in Windows 7, since it works?

[SabaOra]

kamal_ wrote...

VMLight "Windows XP Mode Without hardware virtualization"
yeah, I can't imagine how lacking hardware virtualization would be an issue...

How about you just run it in Windows 7, since it works?

Ok troll, i'll humor you. 1. I have hardware virtualization, but I lack Windows 7 pro, VMLight if you would bother to read past the first page, still supports Hardware Virtualization as it's an off branch of sun javas Virtualbox, and even with hardware virtualization the hardware in the VM is still emulated, it's just excelerated by the hardware virtualization. 2. If it worked fine in windows 7 I wouldn't be here

[painofdungeoneternal]

Yeah i would just see how it runs in windows 7 as is, i don't think it needed a VM to do that. I think you just need the proper .net and directx which the game was made with, and i seem to remember folks just needing to install things for the toolset, we had a thread on windows 7 a long time ago, not sure if someone moved that info to the new forums.

The issue could just be wonkiness due to the graphics card ( since it's not really meeting the game requirements). You can get things to work if that is the case, but it's going to be weird things going on.

Or some dll which is used to do the fonts is messed up. There also is a file ( fontfamily.xml ) which determines those fonts. Kind of get concerned when any user touches any of the game files in program files directory, should work fine as is.

Modifié par painofdungeoneternal, 30 mars 2012 - 10:35 .

[kamal_]

So why are you running it via a vm in win xp mode again? Because I answered your question about 4 hours ago, and it's really just a matter of time until you realize it.

[SabaOra]

painofdungeoneternal wrote...

Yeah i would just see how it runs in windows 7 as is, i don't think it needed a VM to do that. I think you just need the proper .net and directx which the game was made with, and i seem to remember folks just needing to install things for the toolset, we had a thread on windows 7 a long time ago, not sure if someone moved that info to the new forums.

The issue could just be wonkiness due to the graphics card ( since it's not really meeting the game requirements). You can get things to work if that is the case, but it's going to be weird things going on.

Or some dll which is used to do the fonts is messed up. There also is a file ( fontfamily.xml ) which determines those fonts. Kind of get concerned when any user touches any of the game files in program files directory, should work fine as is.

I have and am trying to run it in windows 7, the xp mode thing was to try and get it working right, im not JUST running t in a VM

[SabaOra]

kamal_ wrote...

So why are you running it via a vm in win xp mode again? Because I answered your question about 4 hours ago, and it's really just a matter of time until you realize it.

read my previous post, it's not a driver issue becuase the driver is basicaly the same in windows 8

[SabaOra]

Forget it, i'm reinstalling windows 8, it works there, and i'm sure i can probably find work arounds for the other game thats slightly buggy in 8 which made me switch back in the first place. Thanks again however for makeing me remember why I detest going to any forum for help.

[kamal_]

SabaOra wrote...

kamal_ wrote...

So why are you running it via a vm in win xp mode again? Because I answered your question about 4 hours ago, and it's really just a matter of time until you realize it.

read my previous post, it's not a driver issue becuase the driver is basicaly the same in windows 8

Since it works in Windows 8, it's clearly not an issue with the fonts themselves being borked.

In other words, it's an issue with the display of fonts onscreen. IE; your driver. It's been apparent since paragraph 2 of your original post when you described needing to switch resolution, windowed mode etc. Try an older driver and let us know.

[kamal_]

One good thing has come out of this thread. NWN2 appears to work in Win8.

[painofdungeoneternal]

Windows 8 is a beta version. If it works in Windows 8, use windows 8. The driver you used is adjusted as well as the OS. Microsoft very likely improved the OS and thus you are getting good results.

NWN2 works fine in windows 7, does not need a VM of XP to run fine, nor should that help or hinder things.

Your graphics card is not really that great, that is the root problem here.

Kamal is not a troll, actually it is kind of ridiculous to describe Kamal as such as Kamal is one of the more experienced people here. Frankly you probably are not going to get a lot better help than what he is giving -- remember folks here are trying to help you and not argue with you. Please treat them accordingly.

Modifié par painofdungeoneternal, 30 mars 2012 - 10:51 .

[SabaOra]

kamal_ wrote...

One good thing has come out of this thread. NWN2 appears to work in Win8.

Very well acctualy, should acctualy work better now since the recent driver update acctualy made the integrated card run fater with just about every game I own, currently i can almost run the game at full with only a minor cut in FPS in 7 so heres hopeing i can run it at completely full in 8 as it seems to demand much less from the graphics card by itself becuase the GUI would APEERE to ask for less (this is about the only thing i'm just speculateing on as i haven't ran a DXDiag in windows 8 to see how much MB the desktop and Metro Interface demand compared to windows 7)

[SabaOra]

painofdungeoneternal wrote...

Windows 8 is a beta version. If it works in Windows 8, use windows 8. The driver you used is adjusted as well as the OS. Microsoft very likely improved the OS and thus you are getting good results.

NWN2 works fine in windows 7, does not need a VM of XP to run fine, nor should that help or hinder things.

Your graphics card is not really that great, that is the root problem here.

Kamal is not a troll, actually it is kind of ridiculous to describe Kamal as such as Kamal is one of the more experienced people here. Frankly you probably are not going to get a lot better help than what he is giving -- remember folks here are trying to help you and not argue with you. Please treat them accordingly.

It's not so much argueing i'm seeing as it's just generaly people treating me like I'm stupid and don't know ANYTHING about what I'm doing. Going to forums is litteraly a last resort for me and always has been becuase i tend to be able to figure it out on my own one way or another. What bothers me is that this issue apperes to be unique becuase I couldn't find anyone with the same or a similar issue