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[shinobi602]

Spacebrat says that since Shepard has reached, err...him, the situation is thus changed and there are "new" solutions" (control, destroy, synthesis) and Shepard being there "changed him" right? If they're "new", why the hell are they already there in place magically on the Citadel if they weren't there from the beginning?

Was spacekid expecting someone to reach them eventually over the course of time? Or did he just...start building them somehow during the game? Was he getting tired of controlling the Reapers for millions of years and felt like it was someone else's turn, so he built some...things...for someone else so that person can control them?

The option to destroy the Reapers was there in some...generator thing. When did he build that? Was it there from the very beginning of the reaping cycles? If so, why even build it if from the beginning if spacepunk "knew" that synthetics and organics will never coexist peacefully forever and "always" rebel?

When did he build the synthesis beam? Why didn't he just use it from the very beginning and merge organics and synthetics ages ago and save everyone the trouble?

Hell, why the heck were those 3 options there anyway if they all needed the Crucible device to function? Spacebrat built them a long time ago anticipating that, well, "eventually some species are going to get around to built some kind of device thing that can utilize these 3 options!"?

WHERE THE HELL AM I!???

[shepskisaac]

No, the Crucible changed the Catalyst. He says it loud and clear.

[Adamantium93]

LOTS OF SPECULATION FOR EVERYONE

[Bob3terd]

Crucible change him but tbh its not like that makes any more sense take my advice:

Yeah ok best way to solve the problems with the ending is to take copious amounts of drugs till you dribble out the side of you mouth, then and only then will the ending make sense and be as "deep" as was intended.

Logic will only lead to make conclusions like "How did anyone design this crucible if no one knew what it did, but yet every cycle managed to add somthing to it?"
or
"Why does a super weapon have 3 settings?"
or
"Why didnt the catalyst activate the citadel in mass effect 1?"
or
"Why does a superweapon have the power to instill cybernetic parts in all organic beings accross the entire galaxy?"

Modifié par Bob3terd, 30 mars 2012 - 02:46 .

[nhcre8tv1]

To second that, who would specifically build a room with those things in it, conventionally colored and adjacent to each other? Who would think if you grope electrical space orbs you control everything, then you jump into a pit of green and all the people become robots, and you shoot a pipe and now all the robots explode or something.
Wat.

Modifié par nhcre8tv1, 30 mars 2012 - 02:40 .

[zarnk567]

It makes perfect sense. (sarcasm)

[Edje Edgar]

Fumbling in ignorance. Awh sovereign, you used to be so cool. Before you were the puppet of an ethereal spacekid.

[cachx]

IsaacShep wrote...

No, the Crucible changed the Catalyst. He says it loud and clear.

This, pretty much, the 3 choices are provided by the crucible, not the kid.

I don't expect anybody to care, so please resume the bashing, thank you.

[Generic Name]

The more time I spend speculating about this game the more I wish I had never heard of the series.

Lots of speculation from everyone.

Edit: Space magic!

[Hexley UK]

Space magic!

[XRelakX]

IsaacShep wrote...

No, the Crucible changed the Catalyst. He says it loud and clear.

^This.OP Before posting at least run the ending that you hate so much at least 4 times so you can know what he actually says.

[shinobi602]

Modifié par shinobi602, 30 mars 2012 - 02:46 .

[Adsinjapan]

It's as if this giant blueprint that was passed from one race to the next, included the idea that someone HAD to be there at the end to make the decisions.
IF the older races knew this then, why the Hell wasn't it mentioned in the blueprints??
Why didn't Hackett know that someone needed to be there to push a button.

Then there's the fact that SpaceBrat TELLS Shepherd what each choice does.

"go hold those two joysticks and control the Reapers." Okay, I can buy that. There's actual switches to do stuff with.

"Go jump into that big glowing beam and merge everyone with synthetics."
Okay, how the FUUUUUUUUUUUUU- does SpaceBrat know that??? How can anyone come to that conclusion. If that beam is capable of vaporising Shepherd, then surely his genetic code would be frazzled too!

Then there's the Destroy option.
"go shoot that big tube over there."

Really...? Really?? Destroy a tube!? The Control option had effing handles!!
Why do I have to shoot a tube!? Why can't I have a big red button that reads "Do not touch"?

It's bewildering.

[Lyrandori]

* Walks in as silently as possible, looks left, then right, whispers... *

Pssssst, over here... see, I'd like to explain but, chances are that so-

* Suddenly interrupted by drum rolls, the sound gets louder... *

Damn! I knew it! Look mate, start running, NOW!

* Drum rolls are so loud that anyone attempting to say anything wouldn't be heard... suddenly the drum roll stop, and what seems to be a crowd in unison yells at the thread *

"Speculation for everyone !!!!!"

[Evil_medved]

lotsofspecalutions

[realguile]

lol

These endings are GARBAGE. I don't even want new ones. Just let this series die and let the jokes continue.

[MinatheBrat]

XRelakX wrote...

IsaacShep wrote...

No, the Crucible changed the Catalyst. He says it loud and clear.

^This.OP Before posting at least run the ending that you hate so much at least 4 times so you can know what he actually says.

That's a weak argument. The catalyst threw a complete monkey wrench into the works. Changed how? What does that really mean? How does it fit into the ME universe and make sense? It's not unreasonable to be confused when logice disintegrates in a few lines of dialog.
Anyhow, this is what the forums are for....to discuss. I didn't realize there were mandatory rules of watching the ending 4 times before you get to comment....<_<

[shepskisaac]

cachx wrote...

IsaacShep wrote...

No, the Crucible changed the Catalyst. He says it loud and clear.

This, pretty much, the 3 choices are provided by the crucible, not the kid.

I don't expect anybody to care, so please resume the bashing, thank you.

Yeah. As much problems as there are in the endings, there ARE lots of plot points they provided explanation for and made it clear, yet people just throw it all into the same "space magic/speculation" bag without even thinking. This is one example, another is that 'yo dawg' meme which doesn't recognize the fact this this is not about "synthetics killing organics to protect from synthetics" but "synthetics with organic intelligence killing organics with organic intelligence to protect them from ARTIFICIAL INTELLIGENCE". They're like "whaaaaa? how does it matter???". Yes it freaking does. Say what you want about the ending, but BW devs DID think it through well at least in part of their concept for endings/Reaper motivation.

[Arokel]

XRelakX wrote...

IsaacShep wrote...

No, the Crucible changed the Catalyst. He says it loud and clear.

^This.OP Before posting at least run the ending that you hate so much at least 4 times so you can know what he actually says.

He is right.  Crucible did it.  Endings are stil crap though.

[shinobi602]

IsaacShep wrote...

No, the Crucible changed the Catalyst. He says it loud and clear.

So the Protheans and species before them "added on" to the Crucible each time and decided to build a device that offers:

1)A little device with 2 handles that they predicted an organic would someday be able to...melt him/herself into it and control the Reapers?

2)Build a generator thing with a strong shield protecting it from being destroyed...to destroy the Reapers? Would have made more sense to have a "Blow up Reapers" button instead.

3)Magically predicted someone tens of thousands of years into the future would bungee jump into the beam and disintegrate and then...his/her "essence"(whatever the heck that means) would merge organics and synthetics?

My brain hurts even more now.

Hell, why would the Protheans and previous species build this superweapon with options!? "Well, let's give whoever finally completes this thing some choices. Maybe they'd like to control the Reapers! Let's build that into it. Well yea, but someone else would actually want to...you know, destroy them?"

Modifié par shinobi602, 30 mars 2012 - 02:58 .

[Sokroc04]

cachx wrote...

IsaacShep wrote...

No, the Crucible changed the Catalyst. He says it loud and clear.

This, pretty much, the 3 choices are provided by the crucible, not the kid.

I don't expect anybody to care, so please resume the bashing, thank you.

So it was DESIGNED for someone to choose? Really? The catalyst was just indoctrinated by the crucible, which needed a third party to physically operate it, by way of suicide?

[shepskisaac]

Sokroc04 wrote...

cachx wrote...

IsaacShep wrote...

No, the Crucible changed the Catalyst. He says it loud and clear.

This, pretty much, the 3 choices are provided by the crucible, not the kid.

I don't expect anybody to care, so please resume the bashing, thank you.

So it was DESIGNED for someone to choose? Really? The catalyst was just indoctrinated by the crucible, which needed a third party to physically operate it, by way of suicide?

No. The Crucible is designed to release tons of energy. The Catalyst - the Citadel, is responsible for focusing and directing the energy. It wasn't DESIGNED for Control, but the nature of the Citadel makes it possible to turn the energy to "control" mode instead of "destruction" mode. Having Control and Synthesis options is a by product of the Crucible and Citadel's construction and capabilities.

Modifié par IsaacShep, 30 mars 2012 - 03:06 .

[Ainyan42]

IsaacShep wrote...

No, the Crucible changed the Catalyst. He says it loud and clear.

Okay, you know, we got that. Really. But you see, questions remain:

1. The... "ports", for lack of a better term, for Control, Synthesis, and Destroy exist on the Citadel. Not on the Crucible. If the space kid's species built the Citadel but the Crucible was built by countless "generations" of different species seeking to save themselves from the Reaper attacks, why are there ports for additional solutions on the Citadel? And if they're just random power conduits that the Crucible infuses with new energy and turns into something else, why do they look different? (Control and Destroy ook absolutely nothing alike) even though the rest of the Citadel is rife with symmetry.

2. If the ports were included on the Citadel for the express purpose of 'providing new solutions', how on Earth did the kid's people know to include them? How did they know that the species that followed would band together through countless ages to build what is essentially an extra battery pack for the Citadel?

3. How did the kid's people know that whatever species made this extra battery pack and thus enabled the extra content on the Citadel (and now I can't help but think the Crucible is either a cheat code or DLC) would have hands and/or weapons capable of breaking glass and destroying a power conduit? I mean, what if Shepard had been an Elcor? An Elcor couldn't have grabbed the Control conduit, nor could it have shot out the power conduit for Destroy. In fact, I'm not so sure an Elcor could have fit in the Synthesis beam.

There are other questions, but I really need to whip my apartment in shape for the company that'll be here in a few hours, so I'll just leave you with these for now.

[ManiacalShen]

I actually get why the Catalyst didn't just activate the Citadel himself in ME1. At least, it makes sense in my head.

Think of him like the Reapers' deity. He's there to direct, to guide, but he doesn't do things FOR them. If he needs to hold their hand (tentacle?) in order for them to succeed, then they, as a solution, have already started to fail. This interpretation is consistent with his statement that Shepard appearing in front of him is a sign that things are set to change, and that a new solution must be found. He's clearly open to the idea.

That's about all I can answer for you, though.

[count_4]

shinobi602 wrote...
Spacebrat says that since Shepard has reached, err...him

Well, actually Spacebrat elevator'd Shepard up there. Shepard didn't even reach anything. Which makes the "you bein g here means the solution is no longer valid" even more absurd.