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[Naltair]

ObsidianAgent wrote... If you think ME was anything more than a pitch to advance his career, you're drinking the Kool-Aid a bit too much. And EA could care less - they've got your money and, if BioWare's brand is damaged, they'll just take 'em out back and put them down with a spade. And then they'll go through BW's pockets to loot every morsel of IP from BW's corpse. It won't be the first time.

Can't really argue with cynicism but here we go; well of course he wants to advance his career.  That is a given, just because someone benefits from a project does not mean they are passionate about it.  If I pitch Super Awesome Sci-Fi RPG Mega Deluxe and get green-lit I damn well better get some recognition for that.  But that is irellevant to the fact that one can still be passionate about the game/project.

But obviosuly you hate EA so there really is no discussion to be had here.

[liggy002]

It's best not to expect anything in April. That way you are preparing yourself in case disappointing news should arrive and will be pleasantly surprised if good news does come.

Modifié par liggy002, 31 mars 2012 - 12:21 .

[UnbornLeviathan]

I think that if Bioware -does- screen the angry fans, those angry fans should go and ask their questions at other panels like the Roosterteeth panel and whatever panel Gabe and Tycho are at, or ask other developers what the think about Bioware's actions. =D

[PeaceMack]

rizuno wrote...

I think it's awesome that kids get to eat cupcakes. BioWare doesn't want them? Fine.

What I want to know is, where's the backlash about BioWare using a charity to further their own cause and goals? We do essentially the same thing and we're "holding the charity hostage". BioWare comes out smelling like a rose AND makes me feel like I smell like dog crap at the same time. And no matter what I say or how I word it, I feel like Krogan Crap (come on, it's gotta be bad) for even saying anything at all about it. This whole situation sucks.

And the irony of BioWare giving themselves a new ending out of the cupcake trilogy does not escape me.

Corporations use charitable contributions as marketing all the time. And apparently it's only bad when "human" people do the same. Yeah, it's an unfair double standard.

But, I think the same thing about this as I did about people who complained about Retake donating to charity. I'm more or less indifferent about motivations and happy that charities came out ahead.

[ed87]

The fans are hurting, and Bioware are hurting too. Ironically, I dont see this ending well either...

[AlienSpaceBats]

If BioWare try to skirt the issue at PAX I'm sure there'll be some angry nerds armed with bags of Cheetos and NERF guns.

[Naltair]

PeaceMack wrote...
Corporations use charitable contributions as marketing all the time. And apparently it's only bad when "human" people do the same. Yeah, it's an unfair double standard.

But, I think the same thing about this as I did about people who complained about Retake donating to charity. I'm more or less indifferent about motivations and happy that charities came out ahead.

Think the main issue was that they were donating to the cause to draw attention to a third party cause that had nothing to do with Child's Play.  Corporations don't usually do that, they just give to the cause or hold an event to celebrate said cause.

It just made things convoluted and it put Child's Play in a weird place.

[locsphere]

The more they dance around the issue, the more people stand against them and galvanize gamers resolve.

[Valdimier]

I fear that some brainless dippsh*ts are going berserk and start to get violent when things don`t go their way.

[ebevan91]

I think some of you are forgetting that Bioware was scheduled to be at PAX long before the whole ending fiasco.

They're not just gonna go up there and say "thanks for playing the game, we are listening, have a nice day, etc."

Modifié par ebevan91, 30 mars 2012 - 04:30 .

[Alpha-Centuri]

Violent? Really Valdimier? These are nerds (me too), not revolutionaries.

[LolaLei]

I'm more than a little concerned about the outcome of PAX... I guess we will soon find out on Friday.

[Hexley UK]

Valdimier wrote...

I fear that some brainless dippsh*ts are going berserk and start to get violent when things don`t go their way.

Lol don't be rediculous man.

[Menalaos1971]

Guys, they most likely won't even have anything to say, yet, at PAX. If anyone does ask all they'll say is something like "as you know Dr. Muzyka said that the team is looking at options to clarify the ending and provide more closure to our most passionate fans, and more information on that should be announced this month, but at this time we're not able to discuss this."

So don't pin your hopes on PAX. April will still have 3 more weeks left in it after PAX.

I'll also add that I'm of the opinion that Dr. Muzyka's post was a PR move to freeze the arguement for 6 weeks. The week after ME3 came out the forums were raging and any PR statement they made that were meant to be considered and discussed over days and weeks were torn apart in hours and minutes, and they needed breathing room. So, out comes one of the founders saying they hear us, they're looking at things they could do, and they'll make an announcement in April. April 30th would be about 6 weeks after that post, so from a PR standpoint they were able to step away from the hourly and daily struggle to address this issue and freeze the arguement in place for a month and a half.

My worst fear is that by April 30th the Retake movement will have fallen apart, some from people putting too much hope in PAX, some from gamers just moving on, and that by then they would be free to make no announcement, or announce that they've decided to do nothing. I also worry that on April 30th, if we're still Holding the Line, that they'll say they're struggling with a couple of great ideas and need another month, or that they've found a great compromise, and we'll see details in 6 months when they've finished it, and again once the Retake movement gives up Bioware will quietly no longer be working on that "initiative" anymore.

The only way we'll get ME3 fixed is if we Hold the Line. Just remember, no matter what Bioware announces, they haven't done anything until they've actually done something.

[PeaceMack]

Naltair wrote...

PeaceMack wrote...
Corporations use charitable contributions as marketing all the time. And apparently it's only bad when "human" people do the same. Yeah, it's an unfair double standard.

But, I think the same thing about this as I did about people who complained about Retake donating to charity. I'm more or less indifferent about motivations and happy that charities came out ahead.

Think the main issue was that they were donating to the cause to draw attention to a third party cause that had nothing to do with Child's Play.  Corporations don't usually do that, they just give to the cause or hold an event to celebrate said cause.

It just made things convoluted and it put Child's Play in a weird place.

Actually, corporations do that all the time. It's just that the "third party cause" is themselves.
Here's one example: http://walmartstores...ommunitygiving/

I'm glad that they donate, but they also clearly use donations to put themselves in a positive light. They write and release press releases for that very purpose. Of course, charity drives are a positive thing, so I don't object to anyone starting a charity drive and being seen in a positive light.

I do see how Child's Play would be in a weird place, since it's not as well known as, "United Way" or something. And the founders of Child's Play objected to Retake. I'm also taking Child's Play at their word that there could have been many confused people that didn't understand how charitable contributions work.

[rizuno]

Menalaos1971 wrote...

Guys, they most likely won't even have anything to say, yet, at PAX. If anyone does ask all they'll say is something like "as you know Dr. Muzyka said that the team is looking at options to clarify the ending and provide more closure to our most passionate fans, and more information on that should be announced this month, but at this time we're not able to discuss this."

So don't pin your hopes on PAX. April will still have 3 more weeks left in it after PAX.

I'll also add that I'm of the opinion that Dr. Muzyka's post was a PR move to freeze the arguement for 6 weeks. The week after ME3 came out the forums were raging and any PR statement they made that were meant to be considered and discussed over days and weeks were torn apart in hours and minutes, and they needed breathing room. So, out comes one of the founders saying they hear us, they're looking at things they could do, and they'll make an announcement in April. April 30th would be about 6 weeks after that post, so from a PR standpoint they were able to step away from the hourly and daily struggle to address this issue and freeze the arguement in place for a month and a half.

My worst fear is that by April 30th the Retake movement will have fallen apart, some from people putting too much hope in PAX, some from gamers just moving on, and that by then they would be free to make no announcement, or announce that they've decided to do nothing. I also worry that on April 30th, if we're still Holding the Line, that they'll say they're struggling with a couple of great ideas and need another month, or that they've found a great compromise, and we'll see details in 6 months when they've finished it, and again once the Retake movement gives up Bioware will quietly no longer be working on that "initiative" anymore.

The only way we'll get ME3 fixed is if we Hold the Line. Just remember, no matter what Bioware announces, they haven't done anything until they've actually done something.

This.

[Valdimier]

Alpha-Centuri wrote...

Violent? Really Valdimier? These are nerds (me too), not revolutionaries.

Ok, maybe a little overdramatic, but what if some people lose their temper and start something stupid? Like demand a refund from charity or something like that. Or just start acting like pure jack*sses all the time?

And did you ever see a World of Warcraft fanboy who couldn`t buy his Collectors Edition because it was sold out? I was so close calling the cops. Weirdest day on my job by now

Modifié par Valdimier, 30 mars 2012 - 04:41 .

[Gemini1179]

Thorn Harvestar wrote...

The disavowed Patrick Weekes post, if true, also encourages me because it tells me that some of the best writers understand why the current ending was unsatisfying.

I'd put money on that having been true. What's more likely, that a writer expresses displeasure with a project he is passionate about, or that someone figured out that a writer often posts to a forum, hacked his account and then posted as him discussing things from a point of view that hadn't been seen before or since? BioWare would have us believe it was the "One-armed man" when 99% of the time if you think the husband did it, it is beacuse he probably did. 

I also understand his potential worry abould his job so I'll take Mr. Woo's word that Mr. Weeks denied it was him even though I have absolutely no reason to. 

Modifié par Gemini1179, 30 mars 2012 - 04:50 .

[Reaperpoo]

Will Pax East have live streaming for any of the panels or anything? Or do they put stuff up later on Youtube?

[wathc me tyep]

The worst that can happen is some disgruntled fan start spewing out crap that would give everyone a bad face, like calling a bunch of subtle things "plots holes" (alot of people on the forum like to do that as well) that really aren't plotholes, or claiming that a few clever design choices (no silly boss battle, no HUD and infinite ammo in the ending sequence) are very bad and contradict the lore. Meanwhile the real issues and contradictions won't be addressed.

In other words, they will attract attention to superficial apparent inconsistencies making the fanbase look like idiots who can't put 2 and 2 together, while completely ignoring the real issue.

[jonal11]

Speculative Speculation.

[liggy002]

Silly boss battle? There is nothing silly about it. This is a video game. That sequence with the Illusive man was the weakest thing I've ever seen if that was intended to be the final ending of the video game and not a dream. If they want to see how endings should be made, they should take a hard look at Metal Gear Solid 4. This is one of the best games ever made and has a very strong ending that ties up all the lose ends.

[ragecage559]

I have no reason to get my hopes up.

They lied to us about these ZOMG 16 alt endings, prior to this, how can I take anything they say with an ounce of credibility? You know with Fallout 3 it took 6 months for them to release Broken Steel. They didn't change the ending, they just made it so you can continue playing after the ending. How long is it going to take for them to redo the ending, the same if not longer? If they even decide to do it?

This is all bad, and I really hope they did in fact purposely create these crap endings to cause this kind of reaction. I don't think they did and the least bit of optimism I see is that it will be a very long time before anything is changed or done to even make sense of that idiot Star Child. How long would everyone be willing to wait?

[Taboo]

jonal11 wrote...

Speculative Speculation.

[Fingertrip]

Jesus christ, they've already said numerous occasions that they're unveiling information regarding the ending on April.

They've said that they're uncovering something awesome during PAX, on a scale 1 to 10, it's over 9000 (Direct-Quote from Mass Effect Twitter)

They're providing >>Clarification<< and >>Closure<< . No ending altering (Because it's not needed)

Because it's the Indoctrination Theory. Teh End.