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[Elhanan]

^ Thanks for the info!

[ehye_khandee]

Elhanan wrote...

Does NWC offer DM training? I have not utilized the site, but do know that Guides and tips were offered for starting players at one time, and wondered if newbie DM's could get their feet wet, too. Thanks, and best of luck!

At one time NWC did in fact offer DM training via a group of helpful members' Fleet Street DM was the name IIRC. That has LONG been quiet, and I've not heard anything at all from any of those members so I don't even know if they are still around.

We would like to renew that program and have plans to do so should that old group fail to manifest when NWC is fully operational again. Likely early summer months will see a rebuild of that offering including a return of the NWC files section (fully cleaned).  ATM we do offer DM training via our server. Details via this link:

aldohral.forumotion.com/t53-a-call-out-to-dms

Thank you for your on (on topic) post.


Be well. Game on.
GM_ODA

[ehye_khandee]

ShaDoOoW wrote...

Seconded painpofdungeoneternal. Yet I also must react to this rant.

It was you who mentioned in this topic the gamespy issue and existing solutions to fix it. Your response to Skywing is absolutely unfair and uncivil. Your attitude towards the initiative of peoples trying to help this game is also stunning. Do you have a better solution? How do you want to add the server listing functionality within game client without modifying game files? How do you think that it does help if everyone will make his own server list like you?

My mention of it in this thread followed on the heels of a one line appeal for artists, further, it was direct in that is reads "Soon to debut a gamespy replacement." Note, this was not any form of solicitation for outside tools to provide one. The backend is already done (and was done at the time I posted that quote). Ours provides a separate system. Redundant methods are good (provided they don't disrupt the way other systems function). In the thread whose topic is the 'gamespy issue' I read several camps forming. Since you asked "Do you have a better solution?" I advocate only a change to the local hosts file (simple text edit well documented on the WWW). The topic of this thread is NOT "How do you want to add the server listing functionality within game client without modifying game files?" The topic here is neverwinterconnections.com and what it NEEDs to return to full functionality. Presently, that thing that is needed by neverwinterconnections.com is custom art work.

Am I blunt, direct and to the point? You bet.

How do you think derailing this thread is within the rules of the forum?

I repeat: Presently, that thing that is needed by neverwinterconnections.com is custom art work. We are programers, not artists. In order to complete our system for botproofing the forums we need the custom art. Please help.

Be well. Game on.
GM_ODA

[ehye_khandee]

Urk wrote...

... I also see some important advantages to having separate decentralized server listings. I see no reason that these solutions would be mutually exclusive. Quite the contrary. I see them complimenting one another.

I completely agree. Flat out if every web based server list depended on the same software and data source ONE outtage or issue could derail the whole community. Having more than one means, even if something bad happens to one NWN server source or the other, the community can still find servers and play. I maintain that search engines are second nature to most people on the Web, and having a solution OUTSIDE nwn means that new installs of NWN, finding a blank list, may turn to the Web and search engines, and thus find a solution. One might be a download and install such as these fellows offer, but our choice was to simply extend the NWC offering to include a page of servers, player counts and direct connect link. The community is free to choose their own solution.

That said, it is still NOT THE TOPIC OF THIS THREAD.

Urk wrote...

Elhanan wrote...

Does NWC offer DM training? I have not utilized the site, but do know that Guides and tips were offered for starting players at one time, and wondered if newbie DM's could get their feet wet, too. Thanks, and best of luck!

NWC used to have a DM training program, but they stopped doing it years ago. Long before I even got involved with the site. 

Carlo_One's DM101 mods are a great intro to DMing. I highly recommend starting there.

DM 101 Self Study Module for NWN 
http://nwvault.ign.c...500450000.shtml 
DM 101 Self Study Module for NWN2 
http://nwvault.ign.c...id=14972&id=296 

Another great way to get some hands on training is to offer to assist an active DM. 

Once NWC is back up to full functionality I may be in a position to help Oda reinstitute the DM certification, but Carlo 1's mod will still be the central teaching tool. 

URK - we would very much welcome your taking up that task as, especially now that NWN is available for download/install from places like gog.com (where it is the number one selling game)... NWN will be needing more DMs. Bless you brother, please do follow up on this later (once Phase Two is out) and we'll provide you with the moderator access you will need to accomplish the goal.

Be well. Game on.
GM_ODA

Modifié par ehye_khandee, 22 février 2013 - 02:46 .

[ehye_khandee]

Please see our new post for further discussion of the art needs of neverwinterconnections.com in this forum and board at:

aldohral.forumotion.com/t1450-neverwinterconnectionscom-art-help-needed#6394

If you join in on that thread, please stay on topic lest we summon the board


NEVERWINTERCONNECTIONS.COM is awaiting only art for the 'robo-foil' system. PLEASE HELP.

Be well. Game on.
GM_ODA

playnwn.com

Modifié par ehye_khandee, 05 mai 2013 - 11:56 .

[OldTimeRadio]

Hey, ehye_khandee!  Since it's been three years and the site is still under construction, is there any chance you'd consider having neverwinterconnections.com redirect to http://neverwintervault.org/calendar for the time being?  Hat-tip to BelowTheBelt for pointing this out in the DM forum.

 

If you want to try it out, yourself, you can make a new DM Event by going to Contribute -> DM Event from the Calendar page:

 

 

Thanks!

[Thayan]

And....nothing. The sound of crickets in response to a very good suggestion. Yet the leader of this project has found the time to puff up his chest and spew his typical aggressive rhetoric in another thread right next to this one on several occasions since this post. Not a surprise. We really should expect nothing less since a project being 'in Beta' for 9-ish years, bugged to hell, yet the team claiming it is an awesomely amazing piece of work is totally acceptable for those who decided to take over Neverwinter Connections. While we're only at the 3 year mark for this site, it has all the hallmark traits their 'project leader' has become infamous for. Including the pages upon pages of hostile rhetoric in this topic from this arrogant and belligerent individual.

 

But hey - the good news is that security on what was one a pillar of the community is obviously sooooo secure. Does the community really need the site to function, or have useful up-to-date content, as long as it's secure? Otherwise hackers might have put it out of its misery years ago.

 

...or they might have actually bothered to hack into it and redirect it to the vault calendar.

[henesua]

Control of the URL and IP address should be given over to the community.

[Baaleos]

NeverwinterConnections.com is just a URL.

Yes - the community has had a long history with its use, but given that there is absolutely no value in its current state (the site itself) - I would move to start a new project.

Would anyone be open to starting a new match making site with me?

 

I would be keen to develop one in .Net - its what I'm best at, I wouldn't mind having a team of people to work with : 

I am happy to front the cash for hosting and purchase of a new domain - and the team will have full development access to the site.

This would be a good opportunity for anyone interested to learn .Net web development.

(I can be a good teacher when I want to be  )

 

Alternatively - if the community opts for a PHP or Java site, I can also provide hosting for a Linux machines - which are cheaper and easier to deploy to.

(Recently I did a CI for a client system that uses Rake and Drush to deploy to drupal sites etc - sets maintenance mode, deploys, clear cache, ends maintenance mode etc)

[henesua]

I think its a great idea to move forward, Baaleos. But I think we should either get the domain from Ehye or instead expand upon the calendar at the vault to be feature rich.

 

I am on board with either of those. If you want to go with .NET I will applaud but I don't have any interest in building my .NET skills.

 

Maybe we can do both. I probably should exercise my PHP at the vault. If someone does create a match making site it would be cool to have an API at the vault which the new site or any site can interact with and cross post to the vault's calendar.

[Baaleos]

I think it would be good to make whatever solution - somehow able to integrate with the nwnscry / serverlist.

Eg: Allow a database of servers to be compiled, which could then be used to make a 'wizard' on the match making site - which allows people to organize partys easier.

[kamal_]

I think its a great idea to move forward, Baaleos. But I think we should either get the domain from Ehye or instead expand upon the calendar at the vault to be feature rich.

 

I am on board with either of those. If you want to go with .NET I will applaud but I don't have any interest in building my .NET skills.

 

Maybe we can do both. I probably should exercise my PHP at the vault. If someone does create a match making site it would be cool to have an API at the vault which the new site or any site can interact with and cross post to the vault's calendar.

My preference would be an expansion of the Vault's calendar, to make the Vault a one stop shop.

[Fester Pot]

The calendar does work - it is very basic mind you - but integrating it to allow for front page visibility in terms of scheduled events would be helpful. So the front page would display PW events scheduled for said day, as a ticker or TAB display.

I do agree, that anything moving forward, should be retained in one place, and Neverwinter Vault has already proven to be a reliable location, and a trusted one with Rolo at the helm. It's also community driven, with the best interests of NWN and NWN2 in mind.

Just having said discussion is already better than the current alternative.

 

It's best to just start with a brand new ball, then attempt to pick up the pieces of a dropped one.

 

FP!

[kalbaern]

The calendar does work - it is very basic mind you - but integrating it to allow for front page visibility in terms of scheduled events would be helpful. So the front page would display PW events scheduled for said day, as a ticker or TAB display.

I do agree, that anything moving forward, should be retained in one place, and Neverwinter Vault has already proven to be a reliable location, and a trusted one with Rolo at the helm. It's also community driven, with the best interests of NWN and NWN2 in mind.

Just having said discussion is already better than the current alternative.

 

It's best to just start with a brand new ball, then attempt to pick up the pieces of a dropped one.

 

FP!

Couldn't agree more. The new vault is the best place to host and maintain these types of applications. There's a ton of talented folk over there and if one person can't handle it, there's often others that can pitch in and help out.

[henesua]

i definitely think that putting this up at the vault is a good idea, but I'm not going to rain on Baaleos' parade. He does interesting stuff. So if he wants to put together a match making site. Good. However my preference is for that site to have the right URL. We should get it from Ehye. If he took the URL merely to kill the project (which was the outcome regardless of intentions), then we'll have some trouble with that, but if he had good intentions he should be fine with transferring the URL over to us. In short he has no valid reason to hold on to it and plenty of reasons to relinquish it.

 

My thought is to set up the vault's calendar to work as a game calendar in its own right, but also to send and receive event data with other NWN scheduling apps. So say Baaleos sets up a website. I think it would be cool if all of its events were cross posted to the vault, and could link back on the vault to his scheduler or anybody else's that works with our API.

 

Anyway... these are just thoughts. I need to make some changes in my personal life to take this on. Been thinking of making room in my schedule for projects again, and somewhere between two and four weeks from now I should be able to take a look at this and do something.

[henesua]

For full transparency I sent the following to Ehye to get him to respond to this thread:
 
 

Ehye,
its time to transfer the http://neverwinterconnections.com/URL registration to someone else in the community who is capable of doing the job. You've worked on it for years and failed to deliver. The URL is valuable to the community, and while it was admirable of you to try to save the site, it didn't work out. Kindly hand over the URL to someone else so that we can make use of it.

We don't need the data, or the code. Although the legacy data would be nice as well. All we need is the URL.

Since you have not been replying to your thread n this subject I came here to get your attention.
http://forum.bioware...scom-is-moving/

Please respond there and show some good faith.
thanks
henesua

 

[Baaleos]

Just remember that the URL is his property - he likely paid about $9.99 for it, so in all seriousness - he could just decline just 'cuz'.

Might be wise to assume the worst, but hope for the best. (contingencies?)

 

Any replacement site can still be developed without the need for the domain name.

Domain name just makes it more public and accessible - but during a development phase - we don't necessarily want that.

 

Anything I make now days - I tend to make accessible via API, but I tend to use use JSON over soap.

Not sure how accessible that will be from a php site.

[kalbaern]

While having access to the "neverwinterconnection.com" URL would be nice, not having it is not that big of a loss either. We can easily relink to whatever URLs desired when updating links on Wiki pages, GoG, Steam, Candlekeep, other Community Members websites and forums and here. In fact, I think the current URL is detrimental as anyone trying it finds a broken page that reflects badly on the game and community and leads too many folk to write off NWN as long dead.

 

Whether or not the old name is used is fairly moot at this point too I think. It'll all depend on how well a replacement works firstly, and secondly, how well we advertise it as a replacement service.

 

Visit peanutgrenade.com - The Premier Site for Neverwinter Nights Players

to find Tournaments, DM Events and Small Group Outings as well as Information on Persistent Worlds you can join.

 

Of course, that's just an example, don't bother looking for it. Really though, the old URL's value has substantially decreased in value over the years and a fresh start isn't much of a setback.

[henesua]

I am extending an olive branch to Ehye. This is Ehye's chance to show good faith, and to continue helping the cause. If I was him I would be happy to turn the whole thing over. Unfinished projects weigh on me, and he's had the project for three years. At this point I suspect it would be a relief to be free of that burden.

 

And no, getting the URL is not a requirement. We'll proceed anyway. But there is history there, and it is a very recognizable name. I see value in that, and if we can retrieve it we should.

[Baaleos]

I just started messing around with Visual Studio and got the following made in like 30 minutes.

 

http://connect.asmodei.net/    (Just example URL - Can be relocated later)

 

It borrows some effects from AetherKnights.com  -  another Site I made for my Free Company on Final Fantasy XIV

 

The site hasnt got login capabilities coded yet - focusing on look and feel at the moment - Code is easy to do.

[kalbaern]

Looks like a good start.

[henesua]

Cool beans, Baaleos.

 

I will be able a little late to this party, but I am coming. I am in the middle of a career shift back to tech after 15 years, and just put in notice at my non-tech job. I will be out of there in four weeks. A project like this will be fun and I look forward to it.

 

My plan is to improve the interface of the calendar at the neverwinter vault, and then after that extend its functionality. I currently have no idea how any of those systems work, but we should be able to make it work. I'll start on that in the second half of May. Yeah, thats far out, but thats the best I can do.

[ehye_khandee]

Please see our new post for further discussion of the art needs of neverwinterconnections.com in this forum and board at:

aldohral.forumotion.com/t1450-neverwinterconnectionscom-art-help-needed#6394

If you join in on that thread, please stay on topic lest we summon the board


NEVERWINTERCONNECTIONS.COM is awaiting only art for the 'robo-foil' system. PLEASE HELP.

Be well. Game on.
GM_ODA

playnwn.com

 

It gets to where a fellow cannot take a trip to go visit his octogenarian parents without half the unemployed jesters of the kingdom descending like jackals upon his unguarded reputation.

Please note that NONE of my detractors here chose to use any private communications until the end there, that one snarky message they chose to share in forum too. The choice of public sniping instead of polite private dialog is indicative of the intent; which is to attack.

A reasonable person asks for a LINK. Instead this wave of attacks on my work open with suggestions I should forward the URL, and jump right up to I should give you the DOMAIN.

Notice how they all ignored the two plus year old request for help with some required art pieces. Ignored the help request for two plus years.

Hensua, I am a curious fellow and must ask, who died and made you 'the community'? Helpful people help, unhelpful people do what you do.

Ever read the comic strip 'Dilbert'? RL is very much like that, full of people with a thimble full of lore and a bucket full of loud opinions. I worked for a number of them in my day, and they'd insist on things like 'deadlines' and 'features' and 'methods' with one major difference between they and you (posters bashing me in this thread), those others actually PAID me for my work. You are freeloaders in that for a fact you do not pay me, and pushy ones at that to make such grand demands.

neverwinterconnections.com is DONE, neverwinterconnections has been done since noted in that post here dated more than TWO YEARS AGO. At that time we (programmers) asked for some help from the community and 'the community' did not comply. In the face of such apathy on the part of the community, knowing it would be a lot like suggesting 'recreational dentistry' to even get the operational funding needed to host the thing, we chose to let the community have what it gave us to work with, which would be NOTHING.

Put down your thimbles, put down your buckets. I don't answer to you. I don't have to explain myself to you, most of what I'd tell you would be meaningless to you. I won't waste time trying to teach pigs to sing.

NICE people, we treat them nicely. Pascalbrax is one such nice fellow, the operator of

http://iscandar.ch

When he came to us last year and POLITELY put the question to us (Eriniel and I) as to why we did not comply with his system's requirements so our server could be listed on his (fine) service. We explained why and Pascalbrax understood. More, we explained, with code supplied, how to make his system work with all those NWN servers running with no changes from standard install on NWN. Thus, we enabled Pascalbrax to expand the support he offers to the whole community. Don't take my word for it (you never do), but look at the site linked above and see the note on the front page that reads "2014.11.24 Iscandar can now also scan GameSpy-disabled servers (thanks Eriniel & GM_ODA from Aldohral server)."

Yea, that 'app' you talked about making in this thread a few messages back. We did that already, for neverwinterconnections.com, its done and just sitting there. Because some in the community won't stop being a bunch of carping magpies and actually HELP when help is asked, it has been sitting there unused and unavailable for two years.

All I get in this forum is often a lot of bashing, negativity and outright vitriol.

Soup will be soup when it is soup. Get out of my kitchen and stop asking stupid questions.

Does it bother you that my server is in beta? Good. I am ENJOYING building it, enjoying layering in beautiful systems that work to enhance RP most of which can be found nowhere else. Why do we release so little of our scripted systems back to the community? Well, actually, we have released quite a bit (seasonal fruiting plants, size-screening alternate transitions,etc.), but that goes un-noted by the producers of the feedback we see here in this thread, and well, I don't feed carping magpies. When I am dead, Eriniel might release some or all of the work we have created to the public, I'll leave that to her either way, but to be certain, she is not in general favorably impressed with carping.

Want to see neverwinterconnections.com online? It requires art and it requires a server to host (a full server, not some craptastic shared hosting amateur level drech). I had recently (just in the last three months) among my own server's playerbase secured a pledge of funds to get such a machine started. With but a meager budget Eriniel and I began searching for the right server and contract arrangements, but do so knowing 'the community ' must bear the costs through donations in the future and frankly it is as disheartening to consider the dearth of support from the community as it is to look across the land of Mordor and know your destination is Mount Doom. We received no support from 'the community' here when we asked for help. The silence of the response was overwhelming.

Now this, friendly approach from 'the community'? Eh, I am leaning toward investing NO more time in neverwinterconnections.com having read this. We have been working diligently on zero budget since NWC closed. What have you been doing?

I had toyed with the idea of contacting my old friend Larry Elmore to do a deal to get some art to fill the need, still, even as a old friend there would be some money that passes hands. Ultimately I was at loathe to even discuss the matter since I had no base budget from which to work, anything negotiated would then have to be brought back to 'the community' whose response has been modest and never what was requested. Honestly, I think instead I'll hold that favor I would ask of Larry for a time when I need it and it would be used by those kindly and deserving. As evidenced in this thread, that would seem to exclude this group. I am presently looking at other game engines and may call in that favor for some fine looking art to go with the debut of whatever I craft next. If you are all jets firing to build a replacement for neverwinterconnections.com, that's OK, I can re-purpose my secure custom forum and game scheduling system to work with that new project.

By all means, go build your own site and your own app and know that I won't presume to tell you how to do it. I truly hope the whole community gets behind you on this, and by some crazy fluke of the universe the dark entities that grow daily in sophistication and number somehow overlook your effort, because historically they have pwnd the community, THIS COMMUNITY, again and again.

Best wishes.

[Zwerkules]

Want to see neverwinterconnections.com online? It requires art and it requires a server to host (a full server, not some craptastic shared hosting amateur level drech). I had recently (just in the last three months) among my own server's playerbase secured a pledge of funds to get such a machine started. With but a meager budget Eriniel and I began searching for the right server and contract arrangements, but do so knowing 'the community ' must bear the costs through donations in the future and frankly it is as disheartening to consider the dearth of support from the community as it is to look across the land of Mordor and know your destination is Mount Doom. We received no support from 'the community' here when we asked for help. The silence of the response was overwhelming.

Now this, friendly approach from 'the community'? Eh, I am leaning toward investing NO more time in neverwinterconnections.com having read this. We have been working diligently on zero budget since NWC closed. What have you been doing?
 

So everybody who is not with you is not part of the NWN community? And you can brand the whole community as an ungrateful, unhelpful bunch just because you didn't recieve any help when you asked for it on your own website and/or forum?

When did you ask for help here or at the new vault? Is the new vault not made by the community for the community?

 

Someone flung dirt at you. What do you do? If you're grown up you shrug it off or deal with it in a civil way. If you want to behave like a kid you fling more dirt at them. That's what you did and while you were at it you included everybody else who was just standing by.

 

I feel offended by your comments about 'the community' and yes, I see myself as a part of this community.

 

You wrote NEVERWINTERCONNECTIONS.COM is awaiting only art for the 'robo-foil' system. PLEASE HELP.

But that was part of a post, not a thread in which you ask for help.

Not everybody reads every post in every sub-forum. For example I don't usually read posts about PWs because I'm just not interested in PWs.

You were looking for artists, so maybe you should have posted somewhere where artists are more likely to look at your post.

 

You also wrote that you treat nice people nicely. Have you seen how many video tutorials OldTimeRadio made for the community? Have you seen the NWN Omnibus he made for the community?

I find it awfully nice of him to do such things, as I find it awfully nice of Fester Pot to make great modules for the community.

You insulted both of them, if not personally, then by including them in everything bad you said abut 'the community'.

You know, that wasn't very nice of you.

[ehye_khandee]

That was the LAST post in the OFFICIAL neverwinterconnections.com thread. It sat unanswered for two plus years. What do you want, maybe I should work the cattle-prod some?

 

With resources drawn from my own server's playerbase we were able to get and keep very basic hosting for the site for development. Again, with resources drawn from my own server's playerbase I only this past winter was offered funding to open a modest server for the purpose of hosting neverwinterconnections.com - we are/were in the process of reviewing what the budget can afford us to start, tho we are under-enthused at the prospect of raising future support from the community based on two years plus of total silence in the face of our humble request for help.

 

We posted here, and in the NWN 2 General Board and the response was typically split between knocking us or our criteria or methods, and occasional offers to help once we got it open. When we expressly asked for help, nothing resulted.

 

Pardon me for not being enthused after such a long gap, I guess I should just take this recent spate of attacks as my just desserts for having carried the load to date eh?

 

I wish you the best on your new project, perhaps you will all be so good as to start your own thread for the purpose instead of derailing this one you saw fit to neglect so long already.