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[Youmu]

jaydubs67 wrote...

I have never had that glitch happen when I'm hosting.  In fact, I've never had any vanguard glitch happen while I'm hosting.  No charge delay, no falling off the map, no getting killed by lag.  

This. Only way to really play Novaguard is to host the game yourself, removes pretty much all of the Vanguard issues.

[Nompire]

Disciple.

[Daeion]

SinerAthin wrote...

Olaf_de_IJsbeer wrote...

Godwhacker wrote...

I assume this is just to shoot yourself with? I mean, Vanguard is essentially the suicide class...

Not if the Vanguard is played competently. If the Vanguard is good, the Vanguard is the bullet.

If you are lucky.

Even a skilled Vanguard doing everything 100% right can die when lag/glitches/bugs comes into play.

Damn lag and glitches, I can't tell you howmany times I've been spamming charge at an enemy 5 feet in front of me and it doesn't fire off...

[Daeion]

Xerxes Black wrote...

Olaf_de_IJsbeer wrote...

Godwhacker wrote...

I assume this is just to shoot yourself with? I mean, Vanguard is essentially the suicide class...

Not if the Vanguard is played competently. If the Vanguard is good, the Vanguard is the bullet.

Agreed. i don't even like the vamguard to much but they can really bring the pain where in counts. Back on topic: what about the claymore? is it nerfed/ too heavy? Or just so rare that no ones got one lol?

My claymore is lvl 5, but I find it to be too heavy

[Shampoohorn]

I usually go with the phalanx on my asari. Occasionally on bronze I use the hurricane or tempest because it's great fun to unload 50 bullets to the face on the back end of a charge. Just got the disciple last night, and am excite to try it out today.

[Praest]

Meh, you guys are weird
I love the Disciple shotgun on my vanguard.

jaydubs67 wrote....
Effective at range when charging would be stupid. Good against enemies you don't want to charge (guardians, banshees)

Whaaat? They're the most fun to charge! Charge in on a guardian, aim for the head, shoot it off, charge the next and repeat.

Banshees I only charge on bronze and right away roll out (usually to recharge shields). Charging them on silver/gold hurts

EDIT: Discple on higher levels is a 200% recharge for me, so I don't really sacrifice much using it. Sure, I can't "snipe" guardians, but if I plan to snipe, I'll go my Infiltrator or Engineer.

Modifié par Praest, 30 mars 2012 - 04:39 .

[Zack W]

I got the rapid fire N7 pistol, whatever it's called. It's probably one of the better assault rifles in the game, and I obviously get 200% recharge with maybe one of the upgrades in place.. Only level 1 too. I would expariment with the Revenant if I had one.. I realize it's heavy, but it works onders for crowd surpression up close and that would be a good asset combined with charge. Could probably get away without a damping mod on a non-Turian.

[Daeion]

Praest wrote...

Meh, you guys are weird
I love the Disciple shotgun on my vanguard.

jaydubs67 wrote....
Effective at range when charging would be stupid. Good against enemies you don't want to charge (guardians, banshees)

Whaaat? They're the most fun to charge! Charge in on a guardian, aim for the head, shoot it off, charge the next and repeat.

Banshees I only charge on bronze and right away roll out (usually to recharge shields). Charging them on silver/gold hurts

EDIT: Discple on higher levels is a 200% recharge for me, so I don't really sacrifice much using it. Sure, I can't "snipe" guardians, but if I plan to snipe, I'll go my Infiltrator or Engineer.

Banshees, brutes, and Primes are really the reasons I want a ranged weapon because even on bronze I don't want to tangle with them.  While the carnifax is fine for poping the heads off trash, I don't feel it provides me with what I'm looking for when it comes to taking on boss mobs.

[jaydubs67]

Praest wrote...

Meh, you guys are weird
I love the Disciple shotgun on my vanguard.

jaydubs67 wrote....
Effective at range when charging would be stupid. Good against enemies you don't want to charge (guardians, banshees)

Whaaat? They're the most fun to charge! Charge in on a guardian, aim for the head, shoot it off, charge the next and repeat.

Banshees I only charge on bronze and right away roll out (usually to recharge shields). Charging them on silver/gold hurts

Yes, I imagine charge -> shotgun against guardians would be fun.  But shooting them from across the map through their shields is more effective.  You can kill them as fast as a widow sniper thanks to faster reload.  No risk of getting melee stunned.  


Shotgun vanguards are for traditionalists.  I fight dirty.    

[jaydubs67]

Daeion wrote...

Praest wrote...

Meh, you guys are weird
I love the Disciple shotgun on my vanguard.

jaydubs67 wrote....
Effective at range when charging would be stupid. Good against enemies you don't want to charge (guardians, banshees)

Whaaat? They're the most fun to charge! Charge in on a guardian, aim for the head, shoot it off, charge the next and repeat.

Banshees I only charge on bronze and right away roll out (usually to recharge shields). Charging them on silver/gold hurts

EDIT: Discple on higher levels is a 200% recharge for me, so I don't really sacrifice much using it. Sure, I can't "snipe" guardians, but if I plan to snipe, I'll go my Infiltrator or Engineer.

Banshees, brutes, and Primes are really the reasons I want a ranged weapon because even on bronze I don't want to tangle with them.  While the carnifax is fine for poping the heads off trash, I don't feel it provides me with what I'm looking for when it comes to taking on boss mobs.

Shotguns are not better vs boss mobs unless you are taking a heavy shotgun and giving up recharge speed.  Carnifex has better DPS than any of the light shotguns except the scimitar, which has only negligably higher dps (roughly 10 per second at equal weapon level).  


https://docs.google....bWc&output=html 


From this thread:  
http://social.biowar...ndex/10712294/1 

[RamsenC]

Ignoring the super rares since you can't reasonably level them:

Carnifex + Disciple
Carnifex + Evi X
Falcon X
Geth Plasma Shotgun X

I mainly use the Carnifex + Discple since I don't have the others leveled enough. 

Modifié par RamsenC, 30 mars 2012 - 04:56 .

[Xyrm]

My GPS X on my human vanguard. Carnifex for Asari. Drell... Falcon?

[godlike13]

M-11 Wraith.

[InstaShark]

Katana X for all Vanguards except my Drell, who gets a Phalanx.

[godlike13]

jaydubs67 wrote...

Shotguns are not better vs boss mobs unless you are taking a heavy shotgun and giving up recharge speed.  Carnifex has better DPS than any of the light shotguns except the scimitar, which has only negligably higher dps (roughly 10 per second at equal weapon level).  


https://docs.google....bWc&output=html 


From this thread:  
http://social.biowar...ndex/10712294/1 

According to that the Diciple too has a little better DPS, and also the Wraith which has quite a bit better DPS.

Modifié par godlike13, 30 mars 2012 - 05:08 .

[Daeion]

jaydubs67 wrote...

Daeion wrote...

Praest wrote...

Meh, you guys are weird
I love the Disciple shotgun on my vanguard.

jaydubs67 wrote....
Effective at range when charging would be stupid. Good against enemies you don't want to charge (guardians, banshees)

Whaaat? They're the most fun to charge! Charge in on a guardian, aim for the head, shoot it off, charge the next and repeat.

Banshees I only charge on bronze and right away roll out (usually to recharge shields). Charging them on silver/gold hurts

EDIT: Discple on higher levels is a 200% recharge for me, so I don't really sacrifice much using it. Sure, I can't "snipe" guardians, but if I plan to snipe, I'll go my Infiltrator or Engineer.

Banshees, brutes, and Primes are really the reasons I want a ranged weapon because even on bronze I don't want to tangle with them.  While the carnifax is fine for poping the heads off trash, I don't feel it provides me with what I'm looking for when it comes to taking on boss mobs.

Shotguns are not better vs boss mobs unless you are taking a heavy shotgun and giving up recharge speed.  Carnifex has better DPS than any of the light shotguns except the scimitar, which has only negligably higher dps (roughly 10 per second at equal weapon level).  


https://docs.google....bWc&output=html 


From this thread:  
http://social.biowar...ndex/10712294/1 

Maybe I'm readthing the sheet wrong, but I'm seeing a Carnifax with a DPS of 460.2-575.2 vs. the Spike thrower at 1280 - 1600.  Now I understand the Graal is not a light weapon, that's why it does more damage and why I'm giving up recharge speed.

[godlike13]

Daeion wrote...

jaydubs67 wrote...

Daeion wrote...

Praest wrote...

Meh, you guys are weird
I love the Disciple shotgun on my vanguard.

jaydubs67 wrote....
Effective at range when charging would be stupid. Good against enemies you don't want to charge (guardians, banshees)

Whaaat? They're the most fun to charge! Charge in on a guardian, aim for the head, shoot it off, charge the next and repeat.

Banshees I only charge on bronze and right away roll out (usually to recharge shields). Charging them on silver/gold hurts

EDIT: Discple on higher levels is a 200% recharge for me, so I don't really sacrifice much using it. Sure, I can't "snipe" guardians, but if I plan to snipe, I'll go my Infiltrator or Engineer.

Banshees, brutes, and Primes are really the reasons I want a ranged weapon because even on bronze I don't want to tangle with them.  While the carnifax is fine for poping the heads off trash, I don't feel it provides me with what I'm looking for when it comes to taking on boss mobs.

Shotguns are not better vs boss mobs unless you are taking a heavy shotgun and giving up recharge speed.  Carnifex has better DPS than any of the light shotguns except the scimitar, which has only negligably higher dps (roughly 10 per second at equal weapon level).  


https://docs.google....bWc&output=html 


From this thread:  
http://social.biowar...ndex/10712294/1 

Maybe I'm readthing the sheet wrong, but I'm seeing a Carnifax with a DPS of 460.2-575.2 vs. the Spike thrower at 1280 - 1600.  Now I understand the Graal is not a light weapon, that's why it does more damage and why I'm giving up recharge speed.

Those might be charged values though. 

[jotun04]

Carnifex if I had one

Katana for now

[RamsenC]

DPS is the least important attribute you should be looking at for a Vanguard weapon. You want light weight, burst damage, and stagger. Something you can use from range is also nice.

[jotun04]

Youmu wrote...

jaydubs67 wrote...

I have never had that glitch happen when I'm hosting.  In fact, I've never had any vanguard glitch happen while I'm hosting.  No charge delay, no falling off the map, no getting killed by lag.  

This. Only way to really play Novaguard is to host the game yourself, removes pretty much all of the Vanguard issues.

I always host, and I still get issues occasionally.  The best was when my guy just decided that attempting to walk in any direction would instead walk toward one particular point on the map.  It was really weird.

[Daeion]

godlike13 wrote...

Daeion wrote...

jaydubs67 wrote...

Daeion wrote...

Praest wrote...

Meh, you guys are weird
I love the Disciple shotgun on my vanguard.

jaydubs67 wrote....
Effective at range when charging would be stupid. Good against enemies you don't want to charge (guardians, banshees)

Whaaat? They're the most fun to charge! Charge in on a guardian, aim for the head, shoot it off, charge the next and repeat.

Banshees I only charge on bronze and right away roll out (usually to recharge shields). Charging them on silver/gold hurts

EDIT: Discple on higher levels is a 200% recharge for me, so I don't really sacrifice much using it. Sure, I can't "snipe" guardians, but if I plan to snipe, I'll go my Infiltrator or Engineer.

Banshees, brutes, and Primes are really the reasons I want a ranged weapon because even on bronze I don't want to tangle with them.  While the carnifax is fine for poping the heads off trash, I don't feel it provides me with what I'm looking for when it comes to taking on boss mobs.

Shotguns are not better vs boss mobs unless you are taking a heavy shotgun and giving up recharge speed.  Carnifex has better DPS than any of the light shotguns except the scimitar, which has only negligably higher dps (roughly 10 per second at equal weapon level).  


https://docs.google....bWc&output=html 


From this thread:  
http://social.biowar...ndex/10712294/1 

Maybe I'm readthing the sheet wrong, but I'm seeing a Carnifax with a DPS of 460.2-575.2 vs. the Spike thrower at 1280 - 1600.  Now I understand the Graal is not a light weapon, that's why it does more damage and why I'm giving up recharge speed.

Those might be charged values though. 

I was wondering about that this morning when I was running around with it.  Does the stat page show regular non charged dmg or charged damage?

[Sabresandiego]

1. Talon
2. Falcon
3. Claymore

Geth Plasma Shotgun is also really good but I dont like chargeup weapons as much. Also, you need power efficiency 3 to use claymore as a novaguard.

Modifié par Sabresandiego, 30 mars 2012 - 05:18 .

[ominioctonos]

I would go in empty handed if that can reduce my charge cd by 0.1 second

[teh DRUMPf!!]

Was Disciple, now Evi X.

For me, the difference between 200% cooldown and ~170% is negligible. Never equipped only a pistol and never will, sort of takes the point out of it for me.

[Simsimillia]

Predator X and an Avenger X or Shuriken X just for fun. I don´t fire any of those Weapons often as a Vanguard. Yeah, they´re all considered trash-weapons around here, but because I think the job of a vanguard is dealing with trash (-mobs). It´s fine.
I heard a lot of people use Phalanx over Predator. I tried both and performed better with good ol' Predator.

From the Shotguns I can see myself trying the Katana X, because it doesn´t hurt my cooldowns that much, or a Vindicator X/Mattock X for the same reason and some nice long range damage, when Charging -> Nova doesn´t seem like a good idea.

Modifié par Simsimillia, 30 mars 2012 - 05:42 .