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[mauro2222]

Parmida wrote...

That indoctrination theory Is so great, they don't need to change anything, they just have to add to the game.
And I really like to see the reapers are tring to control my sheploo.
Indoctrination theory makes perfect sense. The part where he's hit by that laser Is so dreamy in Itself, specially the part where he's faced by the same child that has been hunting his dreams for all this time, It shows that the reapers are using sheploo's soft side to control him.

Please, the Indoc theory is not as bad as the ending, but it's really flawed...

[levyjl1988]

Clearly those that accept ME3 original ending does not understand exactly what's happening.
Here are the top 10 reasons why ME3 ending was hated so much ( I advise those to play till the end of the game before watching this):

[Vesji]

Cthulhu42 wrote...

The endings were an incoherent mess that came out of nowhere, went against established themes of the series, and completely disrespected our choices.

(For emphasis)

Though, glad you, OP, liked it.
Glad for all of you people, who liked it.

Now, if you would like to know why it is objectively bad, let us know, so we can reffer you to articles and start elaborating/discussing. 

Modifié par Vesji, 30 mars 2012 - 06:31 .

[Oldbones2]

I find it slightly suspicious that so many first time posters come on to say how the ending was 'perfect'. Not good, not what I expected or what I wanted or even I liked it but'.

No. They come on and say it was perfect.

Honestly if you can't find one thing wrong with that ending you haven't played it.

Even the very best endings have plot holes, or let you down in some way. No ending ever made is truly 'perfect'.

Mass Effect 3 is no exception.

[loungeshep]

ME2 was my first Mass Effect game that I bought. I played it till I found Archangel then I stopped, deleted that play through and bought Mass Effect because I felt like I needed to know the full story.

And I like the ending to Mass Effect 3. I will like the ending MORE though if it's fixed. Just saying'

So here's to you Jhenna Shepard, my first play through on ME2 till you were deleted forever for Kristiana Shepard who started in ME1.

Modifié par loungeshep, 30 mars 2012 - 06:32 .

[Vesji]

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Modifié par Vesji, 30 mars 2012 - 06:30 .

[UndyingGearbox]

I understand the issues with the lack of depth, but I don't see where the issue is with the star child and the reapers.

Spoiler:

Every Cycle the star child/God/Conciseness eliminates organics to preserve organics. In a way it makes sense. A.I. would self preserve and essentially destroy all organics, eliminating the possibility of organic life. It also makes sense to eliminate the higher level beings to give room for new life to emerge. The three options presented basically give a reset, a status quo, or evolution. I think the concept of the emerged evolved species was always the ending vision of the God/Conciseness, but had to be progressively, and propagated by organics, not forced. Besides the lack of detail after that, it actually makes sense. One part I did like was that the Mass relays were destroyed. I liked this because it gave all life a fresh start, and the cycles of the past would be just memories and stories by the time the galaxy was up and running again. I had plenty of closure leading up to the end, and knew that I would not know what happened to my crew, but that they would have a chance. I guess going into it, Shepard's death was inevitable.

Modifié par UndyingGearbox, 30 mars 2012 - 06:36 .

[DiegoProgMetal]

I see trolls on both sides of the river. I'm glad for the people who enjoyed the endings. I dind't, in fact, I hate those endings to the bone. Everyone is entitled to it's own opinion. As long as we respect each other.

[Tazzmission]

Oldbones2 wrote...

I find it slightly suspicious that so many first time posters come on to say how the ending was 'perfect'. Not good, not what I expected or what I wanted or even I liked it but'.

No. They come on and say it was perfect.

Honestly if you can't find one thing wrong with that ending you haven't played it.

Even the very best endings have plot holes, or let you down in some way. No ending ever made is truly 'perfect'.

Mass Effect 3 is no exception.

so just because they like something you dont gives you a right to basicly attack the guy?

maybe to him or her it was perfect because to them as a gamer it was the best way to end it. heres another though ever stop to realize that the current endings are what they are mainly because me3 is a stand alone title?

bioware has stated many times it is such a game because you can select w/e narrative you want

now me i have stated many times to where i lost count that the endings for me and my opinion alone are ok ( not perfect) but enough to keep me interested in the franchise

and regardless on my opinion free or priced i will still be getting the ending dlc also because im a fan through and through


face it everyone does have there own opinions and i dont think its right for you or anyone for that matter to walk up on in here and say they havent played it

Modifié par Tazzmission, 30 mars 2012 - 06:36 .

[Vesji]

UndyingGearbox wrote...

I understand the issues with the lack of depth, but I don't see where the issue is with the star child and the reapers.
Blabla..

Spoiling, possibly.

If you kill all "advanced enough organics to create synthetics, that will surely kill all organics" organics every 50k years, you would eventually wipe out all life in the galaxy, because of war.
Meaning your logic is bad.

That is called circular logic, and it is the main flaw with the plot of the Star Kid/Thing/Ai/God creature.

EDIT: Fixed some spelling.

Modifié par Vesji, 30 mars 2012 - 06:39 .

[Tazzmission]

Vesji wrote...

UndyingGearbox wrote...

I understand the issues with the lack of depth, but I don't see where the issue is with the star child and the reapers.
Blabla..

Spoiling, possibly.

If you kill all "advanced enough to create synthetics" organics every 50k years, you would eventually wipe out all life in the galaxy, because of war.
Meaning your logic is bad.

That is called circular logic, and it is the main flaw with the plot of the Star Kid/Thing/Ai/God creature.

and that means controll and synthesis are the only 2 fair endings imo


also remember the catalyst says the crucible changed him so i wonder if that means he needed shepard to do the work for him

i believe he also said the 3 options are new also

Modifié par Tazzmission, 30 mars 2012 - 06:40 .

[TheMightyG00sh]

Are you kidding? Mass Effect 3 completes cancels out the foundations set by Mass Effect 2. The reproductive purposes? Dark energy? None of it matters anymore because the original plot was changed to "We kill you so synthetics don't kill you and then kill the race after you even though we will eventually do that anyways... only much much more painfully."

Also Starchild renders Mass Effect 1 nothing more than a plothole. What was the need for Sovereign and Saren when Starchild could have just opened it? AIs are made to interface with the system of a ship directly. Just look at EDI/Hannibal, Geth and that weird **** from Peak 16 who reminded me of the Red Queen.

No you can argue that Shep waxs indoctrinated by this raises the simple problem of:

[The Razman]

Icemix wrote...

Liking the ending, it is not a thing we can comprehand, until provided with an argument as to why its likabale!

You seemed pretty respectful and understanding of the argument I put forward to you in PM recently?

[Vesji]

Tazzmission wrote...

And that means controll and synthesis are the only 2 fair endings imo


Also remember the catalyst says the crucible changed him so i wonder if that means he needed shepard to do the work for him

I believe he also said the 3 options are new also

This is exactly what was intended of the current ending: speculation.
We do not know any of those things. 

Spoilers ahead, possibly.

Star Kid/Ai/God creature's identity is not known.
The only thing we know is that the Citadel is "part of him", and that the Cruicible "changed him".

Again, we have no clue  what is He/She/It, or how did he come up with His/Hers/Its "solution".

Also,
The options presented by Him/Her/It are also not clearly explained, meaning we do not know why do we have these options. And how exactly do they work.

In retrospect, everything regarding the logical standpoint of the Star Kid/God/Ai creature is flawed and unexplained.

[loungeshep]

Think the Guardian needed a Reaper to interface with, also since the Protheans messed with the keeper signal, Sovereign and Saren were still necessary in order to interact with the Guardian and warp the Reapers in from dark space in order to....reap.

And since Shepard was the first organic to make it as far as she did, she got the option to make three choices without any resistance which that alone is a bit off. You'd think Guardian would want Shep to join in Synthesis or failing that, Control the Reapers and become the new Guardian, not destroy them all. So you'd think with Destroy that somehow Harbinger would come barreling through to stop her.

If nothing else that needs huge clarification.

I think I spoilered something, sorry about that.

[PlatonicWaffles]

I'm actually okay with the ending after the Indoctrination theory, but I still think it could have been way better.

[Gold Dragon]

Meh.  A LOT of off-topic posts in a thread for why people like me who enjoyed the game, and even the endings.

Since I liked the endings (and think that the Indoctrination Theory is a load of crap), I'm an idiot?  I'm thinking that I should report this.  I'm all for different opinions, and do understand that I don't speak for everyone, but really...

Name-calling because someone doesn't share YOUR view on a somewhat controversial issue is beyond childish, IMO.  Your point of view may differ.

[MCPOWill]

I liked the ending too! It made the game feel greater than the sum of its parts. That said if the community is in an uproar about it, a patch that adds more clarification and extended ending scenes that show more of the decisions you made like geth, quarians, rachni, krogan, turians, etc, in the final sequence fighting that would be great. The only that bugged me was the normandy. I see the reason why that sequence is there from a thematic and metaphoric stand point, but it feels too artsy, and I think that is what gets at people. I am not saying people are stupid, its just that throwing in the abstract into the literal can be jarring in some ways.

[Vesji]

Dylia wrote...

I'm actually okay with the ending after the Indoctrination theory, but I still think it could have been way better.

Indoctrination theory provides some serious points, which fill most of the plot holes and explain most of the nonsensical things we see in the last minutes of the game.

Spoilers ahead, possibly.

Though it is unclear how can Shepard be affected by Indoctrination after being hit with a death lazer.
It is discribed as a subtle way of controlling one's mind. Zapping a person with a lazer is .. excessive.

There are also a couple of other things, but Indoctrination theory definitely fills some huge gaps.

[Vesji]

A Golden Dragon wrote...

Meh.  A LOT of off-topic posts in a thread for why people like me who enjoyed the game, and even the endings.

Since I liked the endings (and think that the Indoctrination Theory is a load of crap), I'm an idiot?  I'm thinking that I should report this.  I'm all for different opinions, and do understand that I don't speak for everyone, but really...

Name-calling because someone doesn't share YOUR view on a somewhat controversial issue is beyond childish, IMO.  Your point of view may differ.

The "report this post" option is there to be used, when you feel like it is an offensive take against your or any other's personality.

Use it. 

[harrier25699]

I thought troll hand were too big to use controlols?

[Darth Wolfenbarg]

 After the quality, bittersweet ending of Dragon Age: Origins, you'll probably think back to this one and realize that it's actually terrible.

Enjoy.

[Icemix]

The Razman wrote...

Icemix wrote...

Liking the ending, it is not a thing we can comprehand, until provided with an argument as to why its likabale!

You seemed pretty respectful and understanding of the argument I put forward to you in PM recently?

That was your argument and I respected it. These people that just say "I like it because I like it" do not deserve respect regarding their opinion.

[NuclearJesus]

It's an personal arguement if you consider the ending to be bad or decent. Even if you consider it as a "good" ending the plotholes it leaves are just obsurd. I don't mind filling in small amounts of blanks and pretend what happend but when there's so much left out it leaves you blind to the conqlusion. I'm starting to question myself if the script was plainly poorly written or if our expectations were too high.