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[Aesieru]

Assets....

Continuity...

Relations..

Choices...

Fleets and Armies...

Impact...

They mean nothing, just like the many unfulfilled promises.

[mauro2222]

Habs25 wrote...

Orly? Taking the ending at face value is what makes you shallow. There is nothing wrong with liking it, or disliking it. But you need to look at the ending closely and see that there is more at work here. Wait til April 6, and you will see.

More plotholes? the kid has green eyes?

[Paul Sedgmore]

Persason wrote...

DeeLite808 wrote...

Yes, we are idiots for liking a game, and the small percentage that also like the endings.

Well cry me a river, why don't you. you don't like it. SO wHAT? I know people who enjoy Ishtar despite that its one of the worst movies ever made.

You can't like something that is incorrect. If you like the ending it just prooves that you haven't invested enough time in the mass effect universe to understand what happened. The ending is false as in it can't happen without everyone in the galaxy dying. Mass relays blowing up?! You can't argue against the plotholes, the rest is a matter of personal opinion and I respect that, BUT DOSE PL0THOLES! Makes me go sad face ;(

We do not know exactly how the Mass Relays work.  The only thing we know is that a direct collision with a Mass Relay with enough force will cause it to explode with enough power to destroy the system it is in, we do not know how they would react to other things for example a shut down signal that triggers a sub routine to permently disable the relay and sabotage its componants so they can never be used again.

Any other plotholes you want me to give my interpritation on?

[Angel_lord]

Father_Jerusalem wrote...

(In case that wasn't obvious, that was me calling you a troll)

And your reply somehow makes you not a troll?

[tetrisblock4x1]

Dissenting opinions are not allowed.

[kbct]

mauro2222 wrote...

Habs25 wrote...

Orly? Taking the ending at face value is what makes you shallow. There is nothing wrong with liking it, or disliking it. But you need to look at the ending closely and see that there is more at work here. Wait til April 6, and you will see.

More plotholes? the kid has green eyes?

I guess I didn't look at the ending closely enough.

[mauro2222]

Paul Sedgmore wrote...

We do not know exactly how the Mass Relays work.  The only thing we know is that a direct collision with a Mass Relay with enough force will cause it to explode with enough power to destroy the system it is in, we do not know how they would react to other things for example a shut down signal that triggers a sub routine to permently disable the relay and sabotage its componants so they can never be used again.

Any other plotholes you want me to give my interpritation on?

Uhmmm... They pretty much exploded.

[Angel_lord]

@OP

Even though I was dissatisfied with the ending, I am glad you enjoyed it so much. There is plenty of room at the game table for people who hated the ending, were dissatisfied with the ending, were okay with the ending or loved the ending.

Quite frankly, I'm more disappointed with the responses from some of the Bioware staff and IGN writers than I am with people who honestly thought the endings were great. Some of them, however have restored some of my faith with measured if ambiguous responses.

So you loved the endings and are going to buy more bioware games. Good for you!

Now I think you will really enjoy Dragon age and Awakening. You may even really enjoy DA2. Since this is only the second Bioware game whose ending was a letdown for me, I certainly haven't lost faith in the company's storytelling ability, and I would encourage anyone who wants to 'write' their own epic to play through some of these games.

(BTW, if you haven't played Jade Empire, you may also enjoy it)

Modifié par Angel_lord, 31 mars 2012 - 12:54 .

[Talon2000uk]

Hermes_tri wrote...

Bioware,

This is my first post on this forum. And first and foremost I would liek to thank you all sincerely for making such a wonderful game.

Truly is one of the best games ever created. I love it to bits<3. Just finished 5 minites ago, and played it daily from release.

Already looking forward to starting again.
Ending(the one that I chose) was just perfect. Much, much better than I expected after all the outrage on the forum(although i never opened such topics to avoid spoiling)


Seriously, the ending was evereything I wanted and more. This way the game really teaches a lot, and more like a good mature book than your regular game with a superhero that kills everyone and becomes the king. lol/

Just thank you. Mass Effect 2 was a first game i bought from Bioware and now I am so hooked I bought Dragon Age as well.

Looking forward to any DLC and new games in ME universe, Its not the end but the beginning the way I see it!:happy:

:wizard:

Casey is that you? Oh sorry, hi Mac. 

Modifié par Talon2000uk, 31 mars 2012 - 01:05 .

[Galbrant]

I disagree OP. The ending was damn right kick in the quad. We got one ending really with 3 different color swap. But If the Indoctrination Theory is true(Which I'm sure it is true) they are.... then where in the Pyjack Heck is the ending? And if we have to pay for it I am done with Bioware and EA. The over price day one DLC was already bad enough with the character already on the disc.

[Running Heron]

Anyone who likes the ending are fools. You should eat them!

But seriously though, I can respect the opinions of those who liked the ending. I just happen to disagree with them on too many levels to count.

[chris fenton]

I LOVED CAPS!

[chris fenton]

mauro2222 wrote...

Paul Sedgmore wrote...

We do not know exactly how the Mass Relays work.  The only thing we know is that a direct collision with a Mass Relay with enough force will cause it to explode with enough power to destroy the system it is in, we do not know how they would react to other things for example a shut down signal that triggers a sub routine to permently disable the relay and sabotage its componants so they can never be used again.

Any other plotholes you want me to give my interpritation on?

Why did Shepard NOT challenge Starchild's logic?
Why did the squad mates teleport to the ship?
How did Anderson beat me to the console?
How was TIM just hanging out there?
How did Hackett know I was on the Citadel, even though they said no one made it through?
How did I communicate to Hackett in a broken suit?
Why did Joker just leave his Commander?
Why were my squad mates all super happy that I'd just died and destroyed galactic life as they and we know it?
(Possible plot hole, probably a nit-pick) How did Joker not break a single bone from CRASHING A SHIP ONTO AN UNKNOWN PLANET?!
Why does the Starchild insist on synthectics killing organics even though I'd just united the Geth + Quarians, why does Shepard not just say that's not true? (see #1)



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Should I go on? 

Modifié par chris fenton, 31 mars 2012 - 01:31 .

[orangesonic]

good for you and have a nice day

[orangesonic]

chris fenton wrote...

mauro2222 wrote...

Paul Sedgmore wrote...

We do not know exactly how the Mass Relays work.  The only thing we know is that a direct collision with a Mass Relay with enough force will cause it to explode with enough power to destroy the system it is in, we do not know how they would react to other things for example a shut down signal that triggers a sub routine to permently disable the relay and sabotage its componants so they can never be used again.

Any other plotholes you want me to give my interpritation on?

Why did Shepard NOT challenge Starchild's logic?
Why did the squad mates teleport to the ship?
How did Anderson beat me to the console?
How was TIM just hanging out there?
How did Hackett know I was on the Citadel, even though they said no one made it through?
How did I communicate to Hackett in a broken suit?
Why did Joker just leave his Commander?
Why were my squad mates all super happy that I'd just died and destroyed galactic life as they and we know it?


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Should I go on? 

everything comes together using the Space magic theory

[chris fenton]

orangesonic wrote...

chris fenton wrote...

mauro2222 wrote...

Paul Sedgmore wrote...

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Should I go on? 
*Self snip*

everything comes together using the Space magic theory

Ahh yes, "logic" we have dismissed that claim. 

[orangesonic]

chris fenton wrote...

orangesonic wrote...

chris fenton wrote...

mauro2222 wrote...

Paul Sedgmore wrote...

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Should I go on? 
*Self snip*

everything comes together using the Space magic theory

Ahh yes, "logic" we have dismissed that claim. 

here`s a good explanation of the ending...



hope u like it

[chris fenton]

Already seen it. Find it hilarious, though.

[Bcoolpro]

chris fenton wrote...

mauro2222 wrote...

Paul Sedgmore wrote...

We do not know exactly how the Mass Relays work.  The only thing we know is that a direct collision with a Mass Relay with enough force will cause it to explode with enough power to destroy the system it is in, we do not know how they would react to other things for example a shut down signal that triggers a sub routine to permently disable the relay and sabotage its componants so they can never be used again.

Any other plotholes you want me to give my interpritation on?

Why did Shepard NOT challenge Starchild's logic?
Why did the squad mates teleport to the ship?
How did Anderson beat me to the console?
How was TIM just hanging out there?
How did Hackett know I was on the Citadel, even though they said no one made it through?
How did I communicate to Hackett in a broken suit?
Why did Joker just leave his Commander?
Why were my squad mates all super happy that I'd just died and destroyed galactic life as they and we know it?
(Possible plot hole, probably a nit-pick) How did Joker not break a single bone from CRASHING A SHIP ONTO AN UNKNOWN PLANET?!
Why does the Starchild insist on synthectics killing organics even though I'd just united the Geth + Quarians, why does Shepard not just say that's not true? (see #1)



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Should I go on? 

1: Shepard was half dead from blood loss and emotionally racked from watching his/her mentor die moments before.
2: The Curucible was plugged into the Citadel which is a mass relay capable of sending matter huge distances almost instantaneously.
3: Anderson says somethign about arriving in different places... he must of ended up somewhere ahead of you.
4: The Illusive Man was indoctrinated, he was a "ace in the hole" in case you made it that far.
5: Maybe Hackett's ship picked by life signs on the Citadel, maybe he got another report after you made it to the conduit.
6: The communication system on the Citadel?
7: Why did Joker let EDI rabit the ship into FTL while the Collectors were abduction the crew in ME2?
8: You'll have to clarify that one I don't think I understand what you're asking.
9: How did Joker not break any bones when crashing on the surface of the collector base?
10: If history is any indication then there's no guaranty the peace will last.

[William91]

Oh! good for you could you explain it to me? maybe my IQ is a bit low, but for me, it didnt make sense

[kbct]

Bcoolpro wrote...

1: Shepard was half dead from blood loss and emotionally racked from watching his/her mentor die moments before.
2: The Curucible was plugged into the Citadel which is a mass relay capable of sending matter huge distances almost instantaneously.
3: Anderson says somethign about arriving in different places... he must of ended up somewhere ahead of you.
4: The Illusive Man was indoctrinated, he was a "ace in the hole" in case you made it that far.
5: Maybe Hackett's ship picked by life signs on the Citadel, maybe he got another report after you made it to the conduit.
6: The communication system on the Citadel?
7: Why did Joker let EDI rabit the ship into FTL while the Collectors were abduction the crew in ME2?
8: You'll have to clarify that one I don't think I understand what you're asking.
9: How did Joker not break any bones when crashing on the surface of the collector base?
10: If history is any indication then there's no guaranty the peace will last.

You have thought about this. Your answers are plausable. Nice recall comparisons to ME2.

Unfortunately, that's just one possible set of answers to a subset of the plothole questions. And plotholes are only one aspect as to why people didn't like the ending.

Still, I give you an "A" for effort.

[Bcoolpro]

I realize people's problems with the ending(s) reach beyond a few plot holes... I don't have all the answers and I am not trying to change anyone's mind. I just hoped to offer come constructive feedback. I have been working on a more detailed analysis of why I think the ending is plausible but it is a bit too long and involved to post here. If anyone is interested they can PM me.

Modifié par Bcoolpro, 31 mars 2012 - 03:21 .

[2papercuts]

oh fun just ask questions maybe?

1. Why did joker leave?
2.Why did your squad go with him?
3. How did joker crash land?
4. Why did the Repears bring the citadel to earth?
5. Why would the Reapers make it so easy to get to the place that was their only weakness?
6. Why did Harbringer fly off and not realizes there were still living beings around who threatened his only weakness.
7. How did the army not see shepard and apparently anderson alive
8. Why did my squadmates not run with me?
9. If my squadmates died, why are they with Joker?
10. why would the reapers make a transport to the area of the citadel where they couldn't let an organic?
11. Why didn't the reapers get the Citadel in the first place?
12. Why didn't the reapers shut down all the relays?
13. Why does the citadel represent Shepards past
14. Since when can reapers control organics?
15. Why didn't they use this before?
16. How did Hackett know shepard was alive?
17. Why does Shepard get a bullet wound the same place he shot Anderson, and I think If it was the lazer he would have noticed it sooner.
18. Catalyst, why didn't he open Citadel in ME1
19. Catalyst say the created always rebel against creators, so synthetics will kill all orgainic, how does the first prove the latter?
20 The created always rebel? why haven't husks?
21. The created always rebel? why don't new reapers that are created rebel?
22. Don't the Geth prove the "synthetics will kill all organics" theory wrong, at least by the time Shepard reaches Star Child
23. How does shepard reaching Star Child make his theory that the synthetics will kill all organics wrong, or that the reapers cant do their job?
24.Who made these options, the last three
25. Who made the citadel with a power to destroy all synthetics? I mean who made the structures that would allow a person to shoot something and destroy all synthetics?
26. Where is the line for synthetics drawn? is it one line of programing deemed the line? or just all electronics?
27. Who controls the reapers since you die? this might have been explained but im not sure
28. How is the synthesis ending even possible?
29. How is Shepard alive back on Earth?
30. Who made the Citadel or the Reapers?

[steej]

2papercuts wrote...

A whole bunch of questions!

Ok, i'll take that challenge.

1. The mission was a ‘falure’ Hammer and Anderson/shepard’s assault was destroyed as far as everyone else was concerned. Hacket probably ordered all ships out of the area.
2. As above. Hammer was wiped out. Hacket would have ordered his fleet out of there.
Possibly ordered Joker to collect survivor, or joker took it upon him self to go get them. OR the survivours took another shuttle back up.
3. Either the Normandy’s systems where shot following the shock wave or EDI was killed and Joker was for the first time in total control of the ship and couldn’t handle it. You decide.
4.To protect it. That was answered in game. And to suck up all the harvested dead people.
5. see above
6. Either he analized shepard and saw he was a deadman walking or didn’t see him.
7.They were a long way off. Probably couldn’t see him through the smoke and dust.
8. They probably did! I honestly didn’t turn around to look
9. They didn’t die if they didn’t run .
10. To suck the bodies up for processing. We’ve covered this topic.
11. Ok, you got me on this one. I don’t know, but don’t forget they’ve been doing this for millennia. They know what they’re doing.
12.They needed them open to get about the place.
Also relays can be turned on and off at will by anyone, so it would have been pointless
13.  Eh? What do you mean? Are you referring to the boy?
I guess Shepard visualised the voice as the one most traumatic thing he has encountered; a dead child. 
Remember doing the Legion mission? Shep asks “why a gun?” Legion says “to make it easier for you to comprehend. Maybe the ‘starchild’ is along the same concept
14. Since day one!
15. Are you for real? They have!  Saren?
16. Just hoping i guess.
17. You don’t know what happened in the final dash. There could have been bullets flying all over the place.
Granted this could fit the Indoctrination Theroy.
18. Why would he/it? It wanted to the reapers to do their job.
19. Maybe there is more the reapers than we know. Who built them in the first place?
20. Mindless. Not sentient like geth.
21. They are on the same side as the ‘old machines’ They are not oppressed as the geth were.
22. They also prove its true by rebelling against the quarians in the first place.
23. Because he didn’t get killed by a synthetic maybe? Answers in the question mate.
24. What do you mean?
25. It’s not made for that, it has the power to do it, when the rest of the Crucible is attached. Did you follow the main story arch at all?
26.  I would say Synthetic sentient life. A VI is not ‘alive’ while an AI is.
As the SR2 went down you could argue that all tech was taken out. Effectively returning us to the stone age.
27. You control the reapers, but your physical body dies.
28. How is the “Mass Effect” possible?
29. Unsure. Maybe it’s not earth.
People say there are no teleporters in ME. What do you call the big white beam you’re running towards at the end? Maybe he got ‘beamed’ back down.
30. God (see quation 19).
Hows that?
How do you like them apples?

Modifié par steej, 02 avril 2012 - 04:02 .

[steej]

No comment?
Does that mean i win?

Yay me!