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[CptData]

LadyofRivendell wrote...

Doesn't it kinda go against her character? Not that Kaidan came off as gay in ME1, either, but Ashley seems a lot more deeply rooted in her opinions and beliefs. Not to mention (please please don't kill me) that maybe it has to do with that fact that she's religious?

Given the fact BW pretty much killed Ashley as character outside her romance scenes, your statement doesn't make much sense - sadly. <_<

Still wondering why Ash got a worse treatment than Kaidan - and why both get pretty much reduced to "calibrations" for second half of the game. Does the BW staff really hate those two characters that much? Or did the devs ran out of time and money?

[Aver88]

CptData wrote...
Still wondering why Ash got a worse treatment than Kaidan - and why both get pretty much reduced to "calibrations" for second half of the game. Does the BW staff really hate those two characters that much? Or did the devs ran out of time and money?

Oh, come on. Most of LIs had much worse treatment than Ashley and Kaidan.

[CptData]

Aver88 wrote...

CptData wrote...
Still wondering why Ash got a worse treatment than Kaidan - and why both get pretty much reduced to "calibrations" for second half of the game. Does the BW staff really hate those two characters that much? Or did the devs ran out of time and money?

Oh, come on. Most of LIs had much worse treatment than Ashley and Kaidan.

Yeah.
They're not on board.

Actually, given that little content you get once the VS is back on board, you also can say they ALMOST got Miranda-treatment. "Almost".
Heck with it: Javik has far more dialogue than the VS. Yes, I'm upset. A DLC character has more content than a so called main character that was important to me for the entire trilogy.

Sometimes I think I should get the VS off the ship, allow Ash or Kaidan to get Hackett's job. It's less painful that way.

Signing off.

[krukow]

Because she's not gay?

I actually applaud bioware for just introducing gay characters instead of changing established characters or making everyone bi. It's a much more adult and real way to treat it. I can meet the hottest girl in real life, but if she's gay, I'm never going to get anywhere with her.
Besides, while femsheps can't romance ash, male sheps can't romance Traynor (who's pretty awesome), so it's almost fair...

[Fenrisfil]

I think the reasoning was probably that Liara is considered female (whatever the biological truth is, she is referred to as a she/her and looks and sounds very female), therefore it was considered that there already was a female squad mate that could be romanced by a FemShep.

I'm not defending that logic, it just seems to me probably closer to what the Devs were thinking.

[justafan]

Its not that she can't be gay because she is religious, I mean, if she was really religious she would have married Shep before they got it on in ME1. I think its just that the writers felt that Ashley staying straight was more in line with her character. Also, they needed at least one human LI on the Normandy who wasn't gay or bi.

[SparkyRich]

How come they didn't make Samantha Traynor straight?  She's totally cool!  Yet another sexy girl-genius on the crew!  But I guess I'll have to settle for beer and chess - there are others waiting.

I could care less about homosexuality, but not everyone is interested in a same-sex relationship. To make every person you talk to available for every option is just not reasonable from a reality or financial standpoint - in reality there are straight people and in reality it costs money to hire writers and actors.

So, some of the characters are available for same-sex romances and some are not - just like the rest of known reality.... weird.

Modifié par SparkyRich, 31 mars 2012 - 06:06 .

[jameshawking]

if religion forbids it it just makes it kinkier and more taboo.

Which we all (should) know just makes it more fun.

[N7_Sniper91]

How come Traynor doesn't like men?

How come Cortez doesn't like women?

To be quite honest, I'm glad they didn't make Ashley and a few others bisexual, since, incase you haven't noticed, not all people are. It makes it more realistic, IMO

[N7_Sniper91]

CptData wrote...

Aver88 wrote...

CptData wrote...
Still wondering why Ash got a worse treatment than Kaidan - and why both get pretty much reduced to "calibrations" for second half of the game. Does the BW staff really hate those two characters that much? Or did the devs ran out of time and money?

Oh, come on. Most of LIs had much worse treatment than Ashley and Kaidan.

Yeah.
They're not on board.

Actually, given that little content you get once the VS is back on board, you also can say they ALMOST got Miranda-treatment. "Almost".
Heck with it: Javik has far more dialogue than the VS. Yes, I'm upset. A DLC character has more content than a so called main character that was important to me for the entire trilogy.

Sometimes I think I should get the VS off the ship, allow Ash or Kaidan to get Hackett's job. It's less painful that way.

Signing off.

QFT.

BioWare kept saying before that the "people who were faithful to ME1 romances would get rewarded". Apparently, they only meant those who were faithful to Liara.<_<

[AxisEvolve]

krukow wrote...

Because she's not gay?
.

Face it.... everyone is gay for Shepard. 

Who wouldn't want to hook up with the biggest hero of all time? Who can compare to that?

[Made Nightwing]

Kaidan's female fanbase wasn't big enough, they needed to expand so they made him gay. Ashley's male fanbase was big enough that they didn't need to make her gay.

Sound buisness practice, really.

[LaurenShepard-N7]

I think it's pretty unfair that Kaidan's bi now but Ashley isn't. Sure Ashley never gave any indication of swinging both ways but neither did Kaidan! You can't say it's totally against character for Ashley because I've known people who are gay/bi and say they believe in god. I wish they would have just left Kaidan the way he was, or made Ashley bi as well to make it fair. It doesn't even make sense from a marketing point of view because there's probably way more demand for a Femshep/Ashley romance than a Manshep/Kaidan romance (guys just can't get enough lesbian action in this game).

[Quething]

LaurenShepard-N7 wrote...

I think it's pretty unfair that Kaidan's bi now but Ashley isn't. Sure Ashley never gave any indication of swinging both ways but neither did Kaidan! You can't say it's totally against character for Ashley because I've known people who are gay/bi and say they believe in god. I wish they would have just left Kaidan the way he was, or made Ashley bi as well to make it fair. It doesn't even make sense from a marketing point of view because there's probably way more demand for a Femshep/Ashley romance than a Manshep/Kaidan romance (guys just can't get enough lesbian action in this game).

I believe this right here is the problem, or at least part of it. One of the devs mentioned something about how they took fan feedback (among other things natch) into consideration when they decided to make Kaidan bi and Ashley not. And the thing is, now that the game is out and we know we can't legitimately have her, I have seen so many people springing out of the woodwork everywhere going "wait. What? But I wanted... :("

But where were those people when the game was being developed? BioWare didn't know. They never heard a peep. Because the straight dudebro fanbase were so rabid and so quick in viciously ripping apart anyone who so much as *hinted* at the idea of femShep/Ash in a public space that we all just kind of quietly faded into the background and shut up about it. You could make a single offhand mention in a modding thread of hooking Ash up with femShep via hex edit, or make a glancing joke about how totally into Ashley femShep sounds with her little "dismissed, Chief" line, and count the seconds before some troll showed up to be like "LOL ASH IS RELIGIOUS NOT GAY." It was exhausting and (as far as we knew) pointless to argue, so why bother?

Kaidan fans never had that problem, because dudebros hate Kaidan anyway so they don't care if you f*g him up. <_<

Modifié par Quething, 31 mars 2012 - 07:36 .

[Xarathox]

Kellleth wrote...

I think Ash is a devoted Christian, so it would be out of character.
But I really have no idea, I didn't make the game =P

So, homosexuals can't be christian? Mind pointing this law out to me...

[AlienWolf728]

N7_Sniper91 wrote...

CptData wrote...

Aver88 wrote...

CptData wrote...
Still wondering why Ash got a worse treatment than Kaidan - and why both get pretty much reduced to "calibrations" for second half of the game. Does the BW staff really hate those two characters that much? Or did the devs ran out of time and money?

Oh, come on. Most of LIs had much worse treatment than Ashley and Kaidan.

Yeah.
They're not on board.

Actually, given that little content you get once the VS is back on board, you also can say they ALMOST got Miranda-treatment. "Almost".
Heck with it: Javik has far more dialogue than the VS. Yes, I'm upset. A DLC character has more content than a so called main character that was important to me for the entire trilogy.

Sometimes I think I should get the VS off the ship, allow Ash or Kaidan to get Hackett's job. It's less painful that way.

Signing off.

QFT.

BioWare kept saying before that the "people who were faithful to ME1 romances would get rewarded". Apparently, they only meant those who were faithful to Liara.<_<

damn straight  but in all seriousness, I did feel like Bioware butchered other LIs potential.

Edit: like they butchered the ending 

Modifié par AlienWolf728, 31 mars 2012 - 08:27 .

[Sporothrix]

daigakuinsei wrote...

1. FemShep had a lot of other options

FemShep in general? Yeah, always have lot of MALE romance options. Is that what you meant?

Lesbian FemShep? Has only ONE full fledged romance (Liara) and even its status could be questioned, since no one else than Casey Hudson, lead project director, insisted that there is nothing lesbian in it. Aside of that there is fling with Samantha, and despite getting "romance achievement" for it, it cannot be considered as real romance, since it has three times less dialogues than any other romance and doesn't have even one scene on Citadel. It's basically "Hi, hi, let's have sex!". And sex scene is absolutely tastelessly done - "hawt shower girl on girl action".

Meanwhile, gay men got two fullfledged, fully developed, portrayed with full respect romances. So please, don't say something when you don't have a clue about it.

Modifié par misoretu9, 31 mars 2012 - 10:20 .

[spirosz]

Artist integrity!

[CroGamer002]

I think the word you're looking for is bisexual, OP.

[Sporothrix]

krukow wrote...

Because she's not gay?

I actually applaud bioware for just introducing gay characters instead of changing established characters or making everyone bi. It's a much more adult and real way to treat it.

 
Therefore you shouldn't have any problem with Bioware's ending. It's a much more adult and real way to treat it, not  "videogamey".
BTW, they actually changed Ashely (from actually being down to earth real looking female soldier character to clone of Miranda). So changing character so she could appeal to stereotypic straight male tastes was OK, but changing her to be option for women (even though it would be no real change, unlike what they have done to her already, it would be only taking to surface something players didn't know before) is not OK?

krukow wrote...
Besides, while femsheps can't romance ash, male sheps can't romance Traynor (who's pretty awesome), so it's almost fair...

FemShep cannot romance Cortez, so it's still absolutely not even nor fair.

Modifié par misoretu9, 31 mars 2012 - 10:34 .

[Rykoth]

Not every character should be bisexual, sorry.

As a storyteller, one has to define their characters. Defining them all to be say, bisexual, is a huge mistake. It's not realistic, not believable, and kind of silly.

Being able to look at the crew and say "okay these people are heterosexual," "okay these few are bisexual," and then "hey this guy's or this woman's gay" is nice. You know why?

Each character has their own identity. It doesn't matter how you feel Bioware handled their character for the sake of this argument, but each character has their own identity. Period.

People complain about DA2 alot. My biggest gripe with DA2 is how un-established character identity was. Not everyone is bisexual. In DA2? I could have accepted Isabela maybe, or even Fenris as both swinging both ways. Not every romanceable companion.

In ME they handled it realistically.

In DA2 when you were a guy and Anders hit on you, your choice was either to accept it, or to be an ass to him. In ME3 when Cortez makes a pass, you have the option to point out that you like the ladies and still remain friends just as well.

So I give Bioware props for taking the most artistically authentic route instead of bowing down to a bunch of fans that take them for granted anyway.

[Samuel_Valkyrie]

First, it's not in her character.

Second: Those interested in a female gay relationship, had Liara in ME1. So that option is already filled.

Each sexe has 2 gay options.

Femshep: Liara, Traynor
Manshep: Kaidan, Cortez.

[Ailith Tycane]

krukow wrote...

Because she's not gay?

I actually applaud bioware for just introducing gay characters instead of changing established characters or making everyone bi. It's a much more adult and real way to treat it. I can meet the hottest girl in real life, but if she's gay, I'm never going to get anywhere with her.
Besides, while femsheps can't romance ash, male sheps can't romance Traynor (who's pretty awesome), so it's almost fair...

Kaiden was a male romance option...

[Noelemahc]

I think everyone in this thread seems to have forgotten that Ash and Kaidan are equally romanceable in ME1 by either gender. Oh, right, it was CUT CONTENT*! I'm glad as the next guy over that Kaidan's finally gone bi, and equally iffed that Ash didn't. There's a lot of vibes there while she's at the hospital, y'know.

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* - Which can totally be turned back on with a single console command.