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[Apathy1989]

Try to argue with the kid.

If that fails, teabag his holo-body and leave. We might win conventionally, and if we fail can leave a message warning future races about the bad ending with Liaras boxes.

Modifié par Apathy1989, 30 mars 2012 - 07:09 .

[sw04ca]

Controlled the Reapers. We weren't going to win a conventional war, no matter how high my EMS was (and it was pretty high).

[Samuel_Valkyrie]

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[Cobra's_back]

xsdob wrote...

Vigil_N7 wrote...

AshenSugar wrote...

xsdob wrote...

So basically, everyone's choice is to say "screw you" to the star child and die from blood loss. Wow, great plan.

Awakening reveals that the destruction of even one Mass Relay can effectively destroy an entire system, potentially leading to the death of billions.

Ipso facto, destroying them all would lead to uncounted megatrillions of deaths... gigadeath crime (to coin a Frank Herbert phrase), as we have no reason to believe that the the scenario would be any different if the Relays were destroyed as a result of Shepard's choices.

If given a choice between galactic genocide, or his own death.. then yes, absolutely, my Shepard would choose to die from blood loss. But beyond that, surely refusing to submit to the enemy, and do their bidding is a far nobler, and braver course of action than submitting purely to save one's own skin?

Genocide is going to happen either way. If shepard does not intervene, the reapers will once again succeed in harvesting the galaxy. Who is to know whether or not the next cycle will be able to stop the reapers? Or the one after that? 

I'm surprised so many people would allow the cycle to continue just so that Shepard can die with his pride in tact. 

Exactley

You are assuming we believe Ghost Boy. This is the last 10 minutes of the game. Why should I believe him? Control doesn't look like it ends the cycle. It just changes the date. I would ask as many questions as possible and then ask the two Admirals how they want to proceed. If I can't reach the two Admirals proceed as planned. The Ghost Child is the enemy. He controls the Reapers and it is his plan to kill intelligent organics. The option is destroy for me. I really don't care if Shepard lives. He had a job to do. He reports to the Admirals and has no reason to believe the enemy.

[Jagri]

After Starchilds words a epic fist fight takes place!
Listen to this to set the scene:

Shepard says at the opening of the fight!
"No that's your limitation! You sit here closed off, locking away other life forms like some kind of king! That's nobody's limitation but your own! The tomorrow we're trying to grab for ourselves is not the tomorrow you set up for us; its the tomorrow that we chose for ourselves, a tomorrow that we chose out of all the infinite universes. We'll fight our way through and protect the universe--we'll stop the Reapers too!"

Starchild cries out in reply
"Foolish creatures, drunk on your morality! Do you posses the resolve to do that!? We defended the universe by killing our fellow synthetics and halting our own evolution. Do you possess the sheer fortitude that is on par with that?! Do you?! We say, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, not! at! all!!!"

Shepard says as he drives the Starchilds face into the floor
"Even so I will... I will believe! I will believe in the me, that believes in us, humanity and the future!"

Modifié par Jagri, 30 mars 2012 - 07:23 .

[Carlthestrange]

Of course, if there was no option -AT ALL- other than the Childs choices, I would have just had Shepard put the gun to his/her head and pull the trigger.

[StellarNim]

My femshep would suggest "hey, we're doing pretty good this cycle, so just go away and come back in 50,000 years."

[avatar0]

The whole "getting EDI to hack starchild" idea is cool.
I want to take it up a notch, let's get the geth to join, too.
Have EDI come over with a few thousand Geth units uploaded into her.
Then we can proceed to have EDI, the geth programs, and Shepard reenter the virtual reality to battle starchild.

And this is what will happen.
As all hopes seem lost, another equally "ghostly figure" appears amidst the chaos of this virtual battle, looking very much like Legion.
As this ghostly Geth wrestles down starchild, Shepard and EDI make their decisive strike and take complete control of the Crucible. The crucible fires, wiping out only the reaper forces and saving the galaxy.
This leaves plenty of room open for "speculation" of the good kind.

Was that ghostly geth some remnant of Legion still existing in every upgraded Geth unit?
Was it just a corrupted geth program which Shepard projects Legion's image onto?
Or perhaps, like Legion claims, that was the unit's "soul" watching out for its friends?
We can have Shepard and the Normandy crew make a few closing comments about that.
This leaves room for interpretations and speculations without being emotionally unsatisfying.

Besides, it will also be very fitting, that Legion, who was one the first to rise up against its creators (as revealed in the geth virtual reality mission), now not only protect its creators, but all organic lives from certain doom.
Moreover, to have Legion or Geth in general do this basically invalidates everything Starchild says, and shows him how little did he know.

Modifié par avatar0, 30 mars 2012 - 07:30 .

[Cobra's_back]

avatar0 wrote...

The whole "getting EDI to hack starchild" idea is cool.
I want to take it up a notch, let's get the geth to join, too.
Have EDI come over with a few thousand Geth units uploaded into her.
Then we can proceed to have EDI, the geth programs, and Shepard reenter the virtual reality to battle starchild.

And this is what will happen.
As all hopes seem lost, another equally "ghostly figure" appears amidst the chaos of this virtual battle, looking very much like Legion.
As this ghostly Geth wrestles down starchild, Shepard and EDI make their decisive strike and take complete control of the Crucible. The crucible fires, wiping out only the reaper forces and saving the galaxy.
This leaves plenty of room open for "speculation" of the good kind.

Was that ghostly geth some remnant of Legion still existing in every upgraded Geth unit?
Was it just a corrupted geth program which Shepard projects Legion's image onto?
Or perhaps, like Legion claims, that was the unit's "soul" watch our for its friends?
We can have Shepard and the Normandy crew make a few closing comments about that.
This leaves interpretations open and speculations open without being emotionally unsatisfying.

Besides, it will also be very fitting, that Legion, who was one the first to rise up against its creators (as revealed in the geth virtual reality mission), now not only protect the creators, but all organic lives from certain doom.
Moreover, to have Legion or Geth in general do this basically invalidates everything Starchild says, and shows him how little did he know.

excellent idea.

[Sc2mashimaro]

lillitheris wrote...

Y'all realize that Casper isn't a real, physical being in any interpretation, right?

(Also slight LOL at “uploading viruses” in a topic about the lack of realism in the original version. Though I think the EDI angle does have some interesting potential.)

Well, the topic is what would Shepard do and the short of my answer is "find another way". The "upload a virus" bit is a nod to "Independence Day" in some ways (and it was big plot hole in that movie), but I figured it would be less of a plot hole because of EDI's cyber-warfare capabilities combined with the fact that she had seen Reaper code before. In theory, she could attempt to sabotage or take over their system like she did EVA's.

Even if it isn't realistic, I happen to be in the camp that says the problem with the ending is not the lack of realism or all the plot holes (although, there are a glaringly large number of them), rather I think people notice the plot holes/lack of realism because of the poor writing and execution of the ending.

[Sc2mashimaro]

avatar0 wrote...

The whole "getting EDI to hack starchild" idea is cool.
I want to take it up a notch, let's get the geth to join, too.
Have EDI come over with a few thousand Geth units uploaded into her.
Then we can proceed to have EDI, the geth programs, and Shepard reenter the virtual reality to battle starchild.

And this is what will happen.
As all hopes seem lost, another equally "ghostly figure" appears amidst the chaos of this virtual battle, looking very much like Legion.
As this ghostly Geth wrestles down starchild, Shepard and EDI make their decisive strike and take complete control of the Crucible. The crucible fires, wiping out only the reaper forces and saving the galaxy.
This leaves plenty of room open for "speculation" of the good kind.

Was that ghostly geth some remnant of Legion still existing in every upgraded Geth unit?
Was it just a corrupted geth program which Shepard projects Legion's image onto?
Or perhaps, like Legion claims, that was the unit's "soul" watch our for its friends?
We can have Shepard and the Normandy crew make a few closing comments about that.
This leaves room for interpretations and speculations without being emotionally unsatisfying.

Besides, it will also be very fitting, that Legion, who was one the first to rise up against its creators (as revealed in the geth virtual reality mission), now not only protect its creators, but all organic lives from certain doom.
Moreover, to have Legion or Geth in general do this basically invalidates everything Starchild says, and shows him how little did he know.

Good ideas too

[Soundsystem]

My Shep would have argued that just as she was the first one to reach the Starchild in any cycle that this could also be the first cycle to end the violence Starchild predicts between organic and synthetic. She would have point out how killing organics with synthetics to prevent them being killed by synthetics makes absolutely no sense. Shep would have pointed out how the Geth have made peace with the Quarians and have, in fact, been a vital part of the effort to rebuild Rannoch and help the Quarians adjust to life planetside. She would point out how EDI started her life as the confused murderous VI on the Moon base, but how EDI was able to grow and change beyond that, how EDI is now a close friend.

My Shepard just plain, straight up would have fought. She wouldn't have accepted everything the Starchild said as fact. She would have fought, just like she fought Saren and Sovereign. Just like She fought TIM and Harbinger.

[Bfler]

avatar0 wrote...

The whole "getting EDI to hack starchild" idea is cool.
I want to take it up a notch, let's get the geth to join, too.
Have EDI come over with a few thousand Geth units uploaded into her.
Then we can proceed to have EDI, the geth programs, and Shepard reenter the virtual reality to battle starchild.

And this is what will happen.
As all hopes seem lost, another equally "ghostly figure" appears amidst the chaos of this virtual battle, looking very much like Legion.
As this ghostly Geth wrestles down starchild, Shepard and EDI make their decisive strike and take complete control of the Crucible. The crucible fires, wiping out only the reaper forces and saving the galaxy.
This leaves plenty of room open for "speculation" of the good kind.

Was that ghostly geth some remnant of Legion still existing in every upgraded Geth unit?
Was it just a corrupted geth program which Shepard projects Legion's image onto?
Or perhaps, like Legion claims, that was the unit's "soul" watch our for its friends?
We can have Shepard and the Normandy crew make a few closing comments about that.
This leaves room for interpretations and speculations without being emotionally unsatisfying.

Besides, it will also be very fitting, that Legion, who was one the first to rise up against its creators (as revealed in the geth virtual reality mission), now not only protect its creators, but all organic lives from certain doom.
Moreover, to have Legion or Geth in general do this basically invalidates everything Starchild says, and shows him how little did he know.

Perfect:)

[Halo Quea]

Since we can assume that everyone there is either dead or has been harvested by the Reapers, blowing the Citadel up would have been the natural option for my Shepard. He has no problems blowing up everything if the situation calls for it.

As for space-god-boy, my Shepard would have wanted to know the Reapers' origins, and confronted him on the hypocritical paradox of his "solution"

[Gyroscopic_Trout]

My Shep would start ripping up pannels and pulling out wires.

Starchild: "What are you doing?! Don't touch that!"
Shepard: "Why not? What's this doohicky do?"
(rips out a circuit board)
Starchild: "AAAAAAAAAAH!"
Shepard: "Guess that was important, huh?"
Starchild: "WHY?! WHY WAS I PROGRAMMED TO FEEL PAIN?!"

[bryan12112]

As much as I dislike the endings, my Shepard probably wouldn't have done anything differently. She's not arrogant enough to think that her knowledge of the universe is greater than that of an AI that has been around for however long it has been around. Yeah, she would have asked questions and had more doubts about it than auto-Shepard did. Like, how bad is it going to be without the relays? Will civilization have a legitimate shot at rising up again?

But still, Shepard is bleeding out at that point and the battle is nearing its end. There's not a whole lot of time to be screwing around. It really is a ****ty situation to be in, thanks to BioWare deciding to unleash the Catalyst on us in the last minutes of a trilogy. Shepard is up there all alone, being told to decide the fate of the entire galaxy in the final minutes, and she/he has just met this AI that may or may not be telling the truth.

[Quietness]

During the middle of the kid's speech femshep goes:

[Domanese]

Considering that I was conversing with the supposed creator AI of the reapers I would not trust him. Especially considering that his ideals of synthesis is the best result he can give. That was what the reapers are all about. And I doubt I can control the reapers when it is clear that they are already being controlled. In short the "Catalyst" is lying. We set out to destroy the Reapers and thats what we shall do. Oh and... Since I believe in the IT.... TO BE CONTINUED!

[powerph]

Theres only a couple thousand reapers, just load some shuttles full of nukes and get some volunteers to kamikaze into the reapers, should be easy enough to dodge the laser in a quick shuttle. Shepard does it on foot at Rannoch..

[Sc2mashimaro]

Gyroscopic_Trout wrote...

My Shep would start ripping up pannels and pulling out wires.

Starchild: "What are you doing?! Don't touch that!"
Shepard: "Why not? What's this doohicky do?"
(rips out a circuit board)
Starchild: "AAAAAAAAAAH!"
Shepard: "Guess that was important, huh?"
Starchild: "WHY?! WHY WAS I PROGRAMMED TO FEEL PAIN?!"

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[CaliGuy033]

Richard 060 wrote...

A simple dialogue response to any and all of the 'facts' proposed by the Catalyst, consisting of just two words:


"Prove it."

Why stop there?  This should clearly be an available response to every fact posed to you throughout the entire series.  

[Versus Omnibus]

RebelByDesign wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

I still believe that the fleet would've won at high EMS, the Reapers are not invincible. Just because the ground war was lost means nothing (fighting a ground war without air superiority is a futile waste of resources anyway).
My Shep would've told that little punk that it can shove it's choices, the war ends today one way or another by our choices, not his.

This. I'll take my chances on the combined galactic fleet, thanks.

^These

[Arthorius]

This little brat is supposedly the master mind controlling the Reapers. My Shepard would definitly get back to the elevator and find a way to blow up the Citadel-and survive. I'm sure there are some massive eezo cores somewhere in there.

Then, without their mind-controlling-master the Reapers would regain some kind of free will, maybe even a memory of what they were before "ascending" and they will start killing eachothers/commit suicide/become berserk and destroy everything in sight.

Final speech with Harbinger. Talk him to death. The end.

Modifié par Arthorius, 30 mars 2012 - 08:13 .

[CasbynessPC]

Shot the kid, got the girl, saved the world

[jijeebo]

I'd cast Sabotage on the star-child and get him to tell the Reapers to fly into the sun.

Then I'd turn around and smile like a sex offender as I walked away whilst it faded to black.

JOB DONE. xD