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[Zulmoka531]

We should be sending Forbes cupcakes of appreciation. They may not actually be invested in the game(s), however they understand where many are coming from and are trashing the PR and "professional" gaming reviewers.

[Mixorz]

I just think its funny with this whole ending issue. All the popular gaming sites bash fans, and Forbes is the only support they have.

[KaeserZen]

Mixorz wrote...

I just think its funny with this whole ending issue. All the popular gaming sites bash fans, and Forbes is the only support they have.

To be perfectly honest, in my eyes, both as a business person and a gamer, I will trust the credibility of business newspapers over gaming websites/magazines any day.

[MisterP146]

Yet another article from Forbes

http://www.forbes.co...ffect-protests/ ' class='bbc_url' title='Lien externe' rel='nofollow external'> http://www.forbes.co...ffect-protests/

Modifié par MisterP146, 30 mars 2012 - 08:10 .

[zarnk567]

KaeserZen wrote...

Mixorz wrote...

I just think its funny with this whole ending issue. All the popular gaming sites bash fans, and Forbes is the only support they have.

To be perfectly honest, in my eyes, both as a business person and a gamer, I will trust the credibility of business newspapers over gaming websites/magazines any day.

Same.

[Gerudan]

The more pressure Bioware and EA get to change this nonsense they call an ending, the better.

[Klijpope]

The Forbes articles are OK, but they're getting a lot of love here because of confirmation bias. They are not objectively right, and while Kain makes a lot of good points, some are easy to refute. I am pretty sure he would not like it if the readers had the power to make him change the last paragraph of his articles.

I think this is his weakest article. His 6 opinions are not very robust.

1. It isn't - because the 'fans' have no part in doing all the hard creative work done to realise the creation, and neither do they stump up the money for developing it in the first place. No one would consider a fan campaign to change the ambiguous ending to 'Inception' as reasonable.
2. Lucas changes his own work - fans complain loudly - but do not campaign like this for him to restore the originals. Everyone recognises his right to do it, even if we really disagree. Conan Doyle did not change the ending of "The Final Problem", he just resurrected the character for more stories (same as the Fallout argument).
3. Unquantifiable.
4. Irrelevant.
5. Contradictory.
6. Of course fans should complain, or better phrased, offer criticism.

Criticising the ending is fine. Asking BW to give us more closure etc, is fine. Even asking them to change the ending totally is fine (though they have absolutely no obligation to do so). Telling them how to change it is not fine - demanding specific endings is not fine.

It is good business to cater to your audience/customers. But you can never surrender creative control to them. Take their advice, but you have to decide how to respond, not them telling you how to do it.

[Walgreen2345]

Forbes, and Kain, understands that while we may be fans, we're also customers, and patrons of Bioware.

Bioware just needs to remember that.

[Valo_Soren]

Another useless article, since the ending isnt' really being changed, just clarity and closure being added.

[TolaSrrup]

While totally impressed with the Forbes' article, I am incenced by Yahtzee calling us the "idiot fanbase" and "****heads." I know that I should be adult enough to look beyond such slanders, however this venomous attack from this "person" who is not a fan of Mass Effect nor of Bioware as a whole does extremely anger me. It makes me want to call him a "prentecious git" who is simply angry that he wasn't born with a bigger pair of dice. However, being unsure of who this person even is or why he should matter at all I will decline on stooping to his level. I will simply accept that he wants to be made known by being an inflamitory ass. Now please excuse me as I apparently have idiocy to perform, like lubing up my hat.

[Gibsn]

This guy rocks.

[Menalaos1971]

Baronesa wrote...

E.D. Kain made another article.

Link: Forbes article


What is your opinion?

Make's me want to subscribe to Forbes... if this guy's work would be in the print copy.

[rpgfan321]

Wow. Forbes is really churning out these articles... Eh. And why not? This is a big deal in the gaming news.

[Lyryn22]

Forbes! Who'd a thunk it!!! But Eric Kain rocks!
It's a new age.

[stormhit]

KaeserZen wrote...

Forbes editorialists really got slapped in the face and on the bottom by the endings it appears, he he he !

They are probably the most active journal on this topic !

They're not editorialists, they're contributing bloggers. It even  says so on their side panels.  Praise Kain and Thier, and then maybe Forbes for hosting their blogs.  But these are blog posts, not articles.  It's not an insignificant difference.

[Hicks233]

Checked out some of the other articles - non game related and they're top notch as well.

Go Forbes!

[alex13abc]

Forbes: putting the videogames "press" to shame... on their own turf.

[VerdantSF]

Having Forbes on our side has been one of the more pleasant surprises of this whole situation.

[Total Biscuit]

Really great, calm, informed, logical and pragmatic evaluation of the situation. I really am going to have to read Forbes articles regularly from now on.

[Grimez7]

I love you Forbes, you actually understand us.

[Gemini1179]

It's interesting that in the quote (by Yahtzee Croshaw) that refers to the community as the "idiot fanbase", the guy harps on how wrong it is for us to want change to the 'art'. Yet, he never once mentions the influence of EA's accountants on the 'art'. Nice double standard, moron. Yes, this 'idiot fan' is calling you a moron, seems fair enough.

[The Anti-Saint]

Hmm, never even considered the first point...movies are screened for content, as are books. I guess it all depends on the medium to which the art is being presented.

[The Anti-Saint]

Gemini1179 wrote...

It's interesting that in the quote (by Yahtzee Croshaw) that refers to the community as the "idiot fanbase", the guy harps on how wrong it is for us to want change to the 'art'. Yet, he never once mentions the influence of EA's accountants on the 'art'. Nice double standard, moron. Yes, this 'idiot fan' is calling you a moron, seems fair enough.

Yeah, that stood out once I read point one of the article...pretty much blows Yahtzee's argument out of the water really. Well, at the very least it puts some nice sized holes in it anyways.

Never good to apply labels when trying to endear yourself to an audience.

Modifié par The Anti-Saint, 30 mars 2012 - 09:05 .

[Dranume]

Its always a good sight to see a unbiased Media put out logical articles... I also love the fact that this article mentions to look at this whole thing from a "Business" point of view.