Yes.
The Stargazer too while we're at it.
Should the Star Child be removed completely?
Débuté par
Carlthestrange
, mars 30 2012 08:10
#51
Posté 30 mars 2012 - 08:37
#52
Posté 30 mars 2012 - 08:38
Yes, the child is the one of the biggest problems with the ending. Give us back Harby instead
#53
Posté 30 mars 2012 - 08:39
Starkid has to go
#54
Posté 30 mars 2012 - 08:39
YES.
#55
Posté 30 mars 2012 - 08:39
If the "Star-child," as the Catalyst has come to be called, were not voiced by or taking the form of that random kid from Earth, he would have been much more credible--if only because he wouldn't be simultaneously suffering from "Little Annie" syndrome and from "cliche god-child syndrome" like the many random appearances of Bahamut's human form in Final Fantasy X. I also think it would have been better, from a writing standpoint, if the Catalyst weren't a person at all--but rather, if the apparition you encounter aboard the Crucible were a very old A.I. or V.I. that was built by the people who originally designed the Crucible, rather than being on the Reapers' own side. This way, the functions of the Crucible could be explained without potentially undermining the integrity of the Reapers themselves as a credibly-written enemy force. It might even have worked if the Prothean V.I. from Thessia were used for this very role.
It feels like the Catalyst "star-child" as it is was shoehorned in to explain the Reaper's motivations at the very end. Honestly, that would have been more satisfying if it came in the form of a final dramatic encounter with Harbinger.
It feels like the Catalyst "star-child" as it is was shoehorned in to explain the Reaper's motivations at the very end. Honestly, that would have been more satisfying if it came in the form of a final dramatic encounter with Harbinger.
Modifié par Nathan Redgrave, 30 mars 2012 - 08:40 .
#56
Posté 30 mars 2012 - 08:39
Yes, because his introduction as the new supervillain in the last 5 minutes of an trilogy is just lame and in my opinion just an excuse from the writers because they could not figure it out how they should end the reaper threat a proper way.
Also they wanted that this videogame feels not to videogamie and because of that we got some pseudo deep BS.
Also they wanted that this videogame feels not to videogamie and because of that we got some pseudo deep BS.
#57
Posté 30 mars 2012 - 08:41
For the love of god yes!
#58
Posté 30 mars 2012 - 08:42
Let me think... yes.
#59
Posté 30 mars 2012 - 08:43
Get rid of him, or make him a hallucination.
#60
Posté 30 mars 2012 - 08:43
Yes
#61
Posté 30 mars 2012 - 08:43
DrDetective wrote...
Get rid of him, or make him a hallucination.
The latter would be an acceptable compromise for me.
#62
Posté 30 mars 2012 - 08:44
Just have him be Harbinger in disguise or something
#63
Posté 30 mars 2012 - 08:44
Remove? No. No, we shouldn't remove Starkid.
We should find that machine they used in Total Recall to erase people's brains or that device the Men in Black use to wipe out memories and we should obliterate any knowledge he ever existed at all.
Barring that, yes. Remove him.
We should find that machine they used in Total Recall to erase people's brains or that device the Men in Black use to wipe out memories and we should obliterate any knowledge he ever existed at all.
Barring that, yes. Remove him.
#64
Posté 30 mars 2012 - 08:45
Yes. Its not the only thing that needs to be done to salvage the ending but its certainly 80% of the problem.
He doesn't work, doesn't fit but if we put all that aside and just focus on the overwhelming hate for him from (not just) the fans then there is simply no way Bioware can keep him. It would be suicide.
He doesn't work, doesn't fit but if we put all that aside and just focus on the overwhelming hate for him from (not just) the fans then there is simply no way Bioware can keep him. It would be suicide.
#65
Posté 30 mars 2012 - 08:45
The spacechild is an abomination that should never have made it into the game in the way it has. It should be removed as it is responsible for a large amount of the problems with the ending. It symbolises poor writing.
#66
Posté 30 mars 2012 - 08:45
Yes. Get rid of the brat.
#67
Posté 30 mars 2012 - 08:46
I am against deus ex machina in all forms so yes, the "Star Child" needs to be retconned out of existence.
#68
Posté 30 mars 2012 - 08:46
I think asking the writers to -completely rework the ending to remove major aspects- is a very unlikely resolution to the issue. My hunch is, regardless of how people feel about him, that he's a fixture.
#69
Posté 30 mars 2012 - 08:46
Do I want a ME3 without the Star Child? Of course I do! Wouldn't need this asked, I think,
#70
Posté 30 mars 2012 - 08:47
See no reason to keep it.
#71
Posté 30 mars 2012 - 08:47
Personally?
I think in every possible manner the kid was an awful addition. The kid, more to the point, the focus on this kid, was entirely out of character for the Mass Effect franchise, belonging more to made for TV drama's than epic Space Opera's. The whole thing felt hamfisted and awkward, especially the dream sequences, and really just broke the immersion in a bad way.
It was just a bad artistic choice that did not mesh with the rest of the game or the story at all. It was forced and it showed, and the game suffered for it.
I think in every possible manner the kid was an awful addition. The kid, more to the point, the focus on this kid, was entirely out of character for the Mass Effect franchise, belonging more to made for TV drama's than epic Space Opera's. The whole thing felt hamfisted and awkward, especially the dream sequences, and really just broke the immersion in a bad way.
It was just a bad artistic choice that did not mesh with the rest of the game or the story at all. It was forced and it showed, and the game suffered for it.
#72
Posté 30 mars 2012 - 08:48
Yes, he should be deleted altogether. Please, God.
#73
Posté 30 mars 2012 - 08:48
Honestly, yeah that whole sequence should be cut because it introduces way more problems than it solves. Realistically though, that won't happen, so it would be better to add more dialog and restore the conversation wheel sequence that got cut in favor of 'speculations from everyone.'
#74
Posté 30 mars 2012 - 08:48
Absolutely.
#75
Posté 30 mars 2012 - 08:49
I would remove it (or never have put it in there in the first place), but I don't think the Catalyst AI situation is totally hopeless. They could potentially fix the Catalyst by including, maybe, a DLC mission that revolves around the origins of the Crucible and the Catalyst. This way we have something substantial to go on BEFORE Shepard actually comes face to face with the Catalyst. Give us a reason to trust it. Tell us why the ending has to be the way it is. I'm not sure this is even feasible, but who knows? *shrug*
Modifié par bryan12112, 30 mars 2012 - 08:51 .




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