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[Carlthestrange]

d'aww.

[Humakt83]

Crucible = Reapers' trap/goal

They knew of the Crucible the whole time.

[Merwanor]

The crucible was somewhat silly, especially the fact that Liara just happend to find the plans just when the reapers attack. But then again I like the reaction Shepard could express, his doubt about the whole thing, like it was to good to be true. I thought the whole thing would backfire and be some kind of trap the Reapers left behind. But Bioware decided to magically make into a patch for the spacekids logic........ :S

[Wolfen919]

Merwanor wrote...

The crucible was somewhat silly, especially the fact that Liara just happend to find the plans just when the reapers attack. But then again I like the reaction Shepard could express, his doubt about the whole thing, like it was to good to be true. I thought the whole thing would backfire and be some kind of trap the Reapers left behind. But Bioware decided to magically make into a patch for the spacekids logic........ :S

You are entitled to your opinion, but I do believe that you can't simply state that Liara just found the plans. In ME1 she states that she has been doing research on the protheans for a long time. We can assume that research doesn't happen in an instant. She has known about this device for quite some time. Maybe a few months or so, but it isn't something you just find out just yesterday.

Modifié par Wolfen919, 30 mars 2012 - 10:32 .

[jumpingkaede]

Dark Specie wrote...

Carlthestrange wrote...

Dark Specie wrote...

To be fair, in DAO you didn't win because of raw manpower. You won because you struck against the heart of the enemy (the Archdemon). If it had been all about raw manpower, then it should've been possible to defeat the horde merely by gathering a large/strong enough army  .

And who is to say killing Harbinger wouldn't be like chopping off a snakes head?

"We're each a nation"  . I think the Reapers have been explained to not work that way, whereas in DAO, it's known through in-game lore and the like that ALL blights have ended because the "head of the serpent"" was cut off...

Except they're all controlled by the Catalyst.  Kill the Catalyst = killing the Archdemon?

[Wolfen919]

jumpingkaede wrote...

Dark Specie wrote...

Carlthestrange wrote...

Dark Specie wrote...

To be fair, in DAO you didn't win because of raw manpower. You won because you struck against the heart of the enemy (the Archdemon). If it had been all about raw manpower, then it should've been possible to defeat the horde merely by gathering a large/strong enough army  .

And who is to say killing Harbinger wouldn't be like chopping off a snakes head?

"We're each a nation"  . I think the Reapers have been explained to not work that way, whereas in DAO, it's known through in-game lore and the like that ALL blights have ended because the "head of the serpent"" was cut off...

Except they're all controlled by the Catalyst.  Kill the Catalyst = killing the Archdemon?

I like the way you think. 

[Baryonic-Member]

 It should have destroyed all ME technology.

[Dark Specie]

jumpingkaede wrote...
Except they're all controlled by the Catalyst.  Kill the Catalyst = killing the Archdemon?

Controlled, yes - but to what degree are they independent and to what degree are they not? We KNOW in DAO that if the Archdemon is killed the Darkspawn will lose heart and flee back underground. Can the same be said for the Reapers? At worst, they'd just keep going at their task like nothing has changed - but this time without the Catalyst to make sure that they don't stray from their role...

Modifié par Dark Specie, 30 mars 2012 - 10:40 .

[ahandsomeshark]

I don't like it. It's basically a reaper off button.

[Kushan101]

Shepard Wins wrote...

My thoughts on the Crucible? Poorly written, outright disaster from the moment we've found out it's been planned throughout all cycles, expected it to be either a) a run of the mill superweapon like the Death Star or a Reaper trap that would destroy its creators.

As soon as I heard Liara say they "found plans for a Prothean device on mars that could destroy the Reapers" I thought: "Oh no, they haven't done this arse pull on us have they?" but I conceded that, maybe, this thing will surprise me - maybe it won't work, or maybe it wont do anything like what we expect (I was right on the latter point, in a completely negative way).

I find it really strange that Vigil never mentioned this thing, and that Ilos, which was made up of the best of the best scientists the Protheans had, as well as being incredibly super secret, never had any records of it either. Instead they left it on a research base that the Reapers were well aware of and may very well have smashed into dust: destroying millions of years of work on the Crucible and requiring the furture cycles to start all over again.

Did Drew's original (and far better) idea of the Dark Energy ending have any such thing as a neccessary plot device?

[NReed106]

While I could stomach the Crucible as necessary Macguffin for the inevitable villain decay the Reapers would undergo, I like the Reaper trap idea, but there is one problem.

1-Why would you make a trap that could actually harm you? Makes no sense from a planning standpoint
2-Why include the Citadel? The citadel is capped at the beginning of each invasion, no civilization would have access to it even if they completed the crucible

As for Ilos, I would say they were cut off from the Prothean Empire which just hadn't found the plans yet (kinda unlikely but it's fiction I have to suspend disbelief). Since they were cut off its very easy to justify Vigil having no idea of the plans, not like the Crucible made a better ending than ME1 had

[Humakt83]

NReed106 wrote...

While I could stomach the Crucible as necessary Macguffin for the inevitable villain decay the Reapers would undergo, I like the Reaper trap idea, but there is one problem.

1-Why would you make a trap that could actually harm you? Makes no sense from a planning standpoint
2-Why include the Citadel? The citadel is capped at the beginning of each invasion, no civilization would have access to it even if they completed the crucible

Combine the trap/goal with indoctrination theory and you do not yet have an answer what Crucible does.

As for including the Citadel, they've ensured that the major part of the Crucible is actually a Reaper tech. Remember what Sovereign said about their technology? That the technology progresses along the path Reapers desire.

[Ratimir]

Wolfen919 wrote...

You are entitled to your opinion, but I do believe that you can't simply state that Liara just found the plans. In ME1 she states that she has been doing research on the protheans for a long time. We can assume that research doesn't happen in an instant. She has known about this device for quite some time. Maybe a few months or so, but it isn't something you just find out just yesterday.

Eva was 'stealing' the plans. Taking the only copy. Think for a moment. If you found data that may well present the only chance of avoiding imminent death, wouldn't your first move be to make a backup copy?

It's possible that Liara had heard of the Crucible earlier (althought there's no evidence for it), but if we are to credit the Shadow Broker with the slightest modicum of intelligence, we must assume that the actual plans are a very recent discovery.

[Sharper_Edge]

*SPOILER ALERT* Well, I ahve no problem with the Crucible and I think it happens to be a solution so simple, that even 10-year olds could understand it. My problem is: The forest world. If you got the ending that shepard wakes up in, you see shepard wake up and soon after you get the message about being able to continue Shepard's legend. THEN IT STICKS YOU BACK ON THE NORMANDY, RIGHT BEFORE STORMING THE CERBERUS BASE. You go through all that trouble to save Earth, just to be able to do nothing with it afterwards. They probably should've left some ending in there that you could do something with, like ME2. That just bothers me.

[Dantriges]

Eva was 'stealing' the plans. Taking the only copy. Think for a moment. If you found data that may well present the only chance of avoiding imminent death, wouldn't your first move be to make a backup copy?
 

 

Oh that´s easy. Liara doesn´t have the Cerberus superpower to download everything, no matter how old or that it uses a completely different form of communication in zero time. So they had to wait for a Cerberus agent to access the data, otherwise it would have been incompatible with current computing tech.  Oh my, the scene when Eva downloaded the thing was even more mindboggingly stupid as Kaidan moving into melee range wielding a goddamn assault rifle. Don´t get me started on Kai Leng downloading Vigil in one minute. That´s even worse than the atrocities NCIS sells as hacking.

[ShadyWizard]

Question: Did any of you expect the Crucible to behave differently?

My thoughts: 

I just now realized this, but wouldn't the Crucible have been better off serving as some sort of Reaper shield removal device?

It was cool and all to think that the superweapon would destroy the Reapers, but with all the War Assests in the game, it would have been better to see that the work put towards those assests have some effect. With the shields down, then it would have been all about how prepared Shepard was into gathering an army worthy of defeating the Reapers. Simply having a nuke that destroys the Reapers entirely wouldn't have been satisfactory in my opinion.

Any other differing opinions on how the Crucible should have operated?


edit: Just wish the War Assets mattered at least a little bit, and maybe even have some of the races be obliterated/sacrificed if you didn't have XX asset; y'know similar to ME2.

I haven't read the rest of this thread, but I agree with you. This would atleast allowed us to watch an epic final battle between less durable reapers and all these war assets you have been grinding up. Could have made for an epic battle. Unfortunately after fighting the reaper on Rannoch I don't think they have shields per say.  

[Dantriges]

They do at least according to the codex but their shields are weaker on the ground because they have to divert power to keep their mass light enough to walk around.

[BioWareMod07]

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