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[nick05son]

1) Spiritual experience ROFL its a video game...go to church bud ( o wait Shepard was Jesus in the end nvm)
2) Another person who says the endings are perfect and make sense blah blah....have yet to see anyone actually PROVE how these endings make sense..I'm really waiting for someone who actually likes the endings to explain them. Not just "i like the endings they tied everything together perfect" and that's it no facts.

[Geneaux486]

Suddenly all the relays are destroyed and/or synthetics are all destroyed, or organics and synthetics merge together (WTF?). Saying goodbye to all of your squaddies before that stupid crap happened isn't closure. Closure is needed because a galaxy-shaking event happened with absolutely no attempt at explanation.

We see in the resulting cinematic what was and was not destroyed.  There is closure.  You can say there isn't enough, which is valid, but subjective.

Also, our choices don't matter because they are just boiled down to numbers and small cameos. You don't actually see many of the allies you've acquired and how they affect the game. It's just "Oh we're doing great because we have an EMS of 7000" instead of "oh we're doing great because those Geth juggernauts and Krogan warriors are holding key positions."  

We clearly see the Krogan and Geth on the battlefield at various points during the fight on Earth.  It's more than numbers and small cameos.

Anyway, the starchild is stupid and illogical because it's existence makes no sense. Why doesn't it open the Citadel relay instead of the keepers? Why didn't it open the Citadel arms for Sovereign? "All machines rebel against their creator"-says the creator of the reapers. Yo Dawg I herd you like syntherics... I'm sure you know the rest. Not to mention the stupidity of making it appear as the earth kid, but that's an argument for another thread.

Why doesn't it open the Citadel relay?  Probably because a signal from it is the same as a signal from the Reapers.  Or perhaps it's dormant most of the time.  Remember, when Shepard asks if the Catalyst is the Citadel, the Catalyst says "No, the Citadel is my home/a part of me".  Doesn't mean it controls it.  As for it appearing as the Earth kid, it's really not any more strange than Legion rendering the Concensus into a form that Shepard could comprehend.

A mutation of synthetic and organic DNA? That makes no sense.

Why?  Reaper tech like the Dragon Teeth catalize similar mutations from almost nothing.  

but to call the for and against opinions equally valid is just wrong.

No, it isn't.
 

Yes they can and they already have. 

You're talking about something that is unprovable.  Based on limited information we cannot reach a definite conclusion either way. 

That is why I said his arguments are very selective. He states his view on something while completely ignoring most of the premise.

Your arguments are far more selective than mine.  You wrote me off as a troll based on, in your own words, only one troll comment you've seen from me.  Which by the way was not a troll comment.

Modifié par Geneaux486, 31 mars 2012 - 02:39 .

[Shaigunjoe]

Theb82 wrote...

VoodooDrackus wrote...

Geneaux486 wrote...

Zix13 wrote...
Also that Geneaux486 guy is either trolling or so selective in his opinions it's laughable.

You can call me Gene if you'd like.  Also I'm not either of those things, but you're certainly entitled to your opinion!  Good to meet you though.

Why is it these people think that if we liked the ending then we are either paid by Bioware, trolling or completely stupid?

You are atleast civil to them and I commend you for that, especially when some of them are nothing but rude to us.



LOL. Whenever I read your posts I always read them in Jokers voice.

Anyhow, good to see you out here giving your opinions on things. I have similar opinions.

Its because most (not all) dont even explain why they liked the ending, some of us are trying to understand other views.

There is actually a pretty long thread somewhere.  Somebody asked, why do people like the endings?  And people answered (amazingly enough, it didn't derail).

http://social.biowar...ndex/10731994/3

[METALPUNKS]

Rafe34 wrote...

METALPUNKS wrote...
 An opinion is an opinion. Nobody can prove the ending was horrible or perfect. Bioware wrote it, it's done. How you walk away from it is on you.

An opinion that is not backed by facts is an invalid opinion. People that say they like the endings generally don't really understand the ME universe, most of the time because they've only played ME3.
Actually, it's not over yet. Sorry to burst your bubble.
And yeah, posting it on a forum IS asking for other's opinions and to start something. Don't pretend like it's not.

Your really making me angry. Why? Never said it was ALL over, just that the ending as it is now. Oh and no I wasn't asking for anyone's opinion or to start a war, I wanted to express my thoughts. 

For anyone else that says I need I back up why I loved it I already did, just read. I can't do more than that. Boy some of you really accomplished your goal, you made me hate the ending, only because you couldn't just take what I said and let it be that. It's simple. That is why I know now why you didn't get it. The ending was also simple. It was never meant to be anything more. In the end all that mattered was the simple fact that everything lives on and we make our own story. It all comes together during the final scene with the boy and the man, the simplicity of that moment. If everything happened to lead up to the moment then that was perfect. Asking for anymore than that and it flew right over your head. This was not toward everyone, only the people that attacked me. 

[VoodooDrackus]

METALPUNKS wrote...

Agh... I give up. Oneday Bioware has the greatest story telling, then the next they are horrible writers. Oneday ME is the best game ever, the another day it's the worst. There is nothing I can do besides know that I loved ending. I wasn't trying to push the idea on anyone or start a huge debate. I simply was excited that the ending turned out way way better than I expected. I'm thrilled some of us loved it. What I'm not so thrilled about is the reaction I got for thinking it was perfect. It reminds me of those times while playing ME when I said to myself why can't you all just get along? An opinion is an opinion. Nobody can prove the ending was horrible or perfect. Bioware wrote it, it's done. How you walk away from it is on you.

Oh and NO I wasn't paid by Bioware to say I loved the ending. It's all me, crazy as that sounds. Sorry.

I don't even bother with them anymore. It is always the same. They call you trolls, say you don't have a valid opinion, etc, etc, etc.

No matter how much you back up your opinion or punch holes in their criticisms they always assert that they are right, that they base their decisions on facts.

The sooner Bioware gives them something the sooner they can go and let us actually discuss the game.

[Wolven_Soul]

Glad you liked it but I disagree with everything that you just said.

[phat0817]

We don't hate you man...but our opinion is different. In fact i'm happy for yea that able to find satisfaction with the ending i wish i could...but i just cant

[Shaigunjoe]

METALPUNKS wrote...

Your really making me angry. Why? Never said it was ALL over, just that the ending as it is now. Oh and no I wasn't asking for anyone's opinion or to start a war, I wanted to express my thoughts.

Don't let them get to you Metal, since launch day, the retakers have been suffering from severe incomprehension.  You should feel bad for them, imagine if you couldn't understand the endings, you would be upset too.

[Valraine]

METALPUNKS wrote...  This tells me shepard lives, at that point you'd think the man would have told Shepards whole story because he ended with what we saw last. I don't get how the story can continue since there would be no way to get around but maybe it does.

Silly, that's for the coming DLC. 

Play the game without DLCs. Later, purhcase the "From Ashes" DLC.

"Did I mention the time when Shepard allied herself with a Prothean, my son -- that's actually a resized model of myself?"

Yeah, bet you didn't see that. A human male DWARF.

[nick05son]

"It all comes together during the final scene"

Holy **** batman...What are you on and where can i get some?

[Zix13]

VoodooDrackus wrote...

METALPUNKS wrote...

Agh... I give up. Oneday Bioware has the greatest story telling, then the next they are horrible writers. Oneday ME is the best game ever, the another day it's the worst. There is nothing I can do besides know that I loved ending. I wasn't trying to push the idea on anyone or start a huge debate. I simply was excited that the ending turned out way way better than I expected. I'm thrilled some of us loved it. What I'm not so thrilled about is the reaction I got for thinking it was perfect. It reminds me of those times while playing ME when I said to myself why can't you all just get along? An opinion is an opinion. Nobody can prove the ending was horrible or perfect. Bioware wrote it, it's done. How you walk away from it is on you.

Oh and NO I wasn't paid by Bioware to say I loved the ending. It's all me, crazy as that sounds. Sorry.

I don't even bother with them anymore. It is always the same. They call you trolls, say you don't have a valid opinion, etc, etc, etc.

No matter how much you back up your opinion or punch holes in their criticisms they always assert that they are right, that they base their decisions on facts.

The sooner Bioware gives them something the sooner they can go and let us actually discuss the game.

Yet most of us have never seen a valid argument produced by people who like the endings, let alone a sound argument. I'm a reasonable person, if you produce a sound argument, I will accept it. The problem is no one has produced one defending the endings.

[AxisEvolve]

METALPUNKS wrote...
Oh and no I wasn't asking for anyone's opinion or to start a war, I wanted to express my thoughts.

 
Might I suggest posting this on your blog then instead of a community? People can and will reply here. If your opinion is unpopular enough you will get a lot of negative feedback. It's just how it works. 

METALPUNKS wrote... 
That is why I know now why you didn't get it. The ending was also simple. 

  
We all "get it". We just think "it" is unoriginal, contradictory and does not do any of our prior choices any justice. 

METALPUNKS wrote...  
only because you couldn't just take what I said and let it be that. 

   
Again.
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METALPUNKS wrote...   
The ending was also simple.  
 

    
Except none of our choices throught the series were ever simple. Logically speaking, the complex web of decisions we made should have lead to incredibly diverse endings. But everyone got the same conclusion!

METALPUNKS wrote...    
That is why I know now why you didn't get it.
 

     
Sorry, but that is why I know you are choosing to ignore all of the plotholes just so you can "feel better" about the ending. 

METALPUNKS wrote...    
It all comes together during the final scene with the boy and the man, the simplicity of that moment.  
 

      
There is nothing simple (or sensible) about the Star-Child. 

Modifié par AxisEvolve, 31 mars 2012 - 02:50 .

[TheBlackPigeon]

I don't hate you at all, OP. It's nice to see somebody else as satisfied as I was.

Still, I wouldn't mind Bioware giving the choice of whatever type of ending the Retake movement is looking for. That way, (almost) everyone has what they want, and the community can move on.

[Wintersembrace]

METALPUNKS wrote...

Rafe34 wrote...

METALPUNKS wrote...
 An opinion is an opinion. Nobody can prove the ending was horrible or perfect. Bioware wrote it, it's done. How you walk away from it is on you.

An opinion that is not backed by facts is an invalid opinion. People that say they like the endings generally don't really understand the ME universe, most of the time because they've only played ME3.
Actually, it's not over yet. Sorry to burst your bubble.
And yeah, posting it on a forum IS asking for other's opinions and to start something. Don't pretend like it's not.

Your really making me angry. Why? Never said it was ALL over, just that the ending as it is now. Oh and no I wasn't asking for anyone's opinion or to start a war, I wanted to express my thoughts. 

For anyone else that says I need I back up why I loved it I already did, just read. I can't do more than that. Boy some of you really accomplished your goal, you made me hate the ending, only because you couldn't just take what I said and let it be that. It's simple. That is why I know now why you didn't get it. The ending was also simple. It was never meant to be anything more. In the end all that mattered was the simple fact that everything lives on and we make our own story. It all comes together during the final scene with the boy and the man, the simplicity of that moment. If everything happened to lead up to the moment then that was perfect. Asking for anymore than that and it flew right over your head. This was not toward everyone, only the people that attacked me. 

while i may not agree with you i do agree you dont need to justife why you like the ending
no one can make you hate any thing sure you have not missed taking your meds
once again that come down to each person opinion your no more right then the ppl that disliked the ending 
finaly you sort asked to be attacked with your tread title really "hate me i loved the ending"

[Jackal7713]

suusuuu wrote...

METALPUNKS wrote...
Hate me

I should go.

I'll follow you out Suusuu, but first let me LMAO!

Modifié par Jackal7713, 31 mars 2012 - 03:32 .

[SirBob1613]

Yup game togather perfectly everyone pretty much dies

[METALPUNKS]

Plothole this, Plothole that it all mumble now.

Yes throughout ME all many of the decision were hard, very hard but in the end it was simple, that's what it always is and will always be. None of the decision matter because it always ends with the simplest reason. I have backed up why I loved the ending many times on here. Like I said before there isn't a huge reason for anything, does there always have to be? That's why I get it and nobody understands unless they get it like me. For those of us that do understand we just understand. There is nothing behind it besides the fact that it all makes sense because it just does. You don't have support that or show facts, that is the whole point of it all, that's why it's beautifully perfect.

Shepard is the future Jesus in a sense. The boy even called him the Shepard just like Jesus. Stories of great miracles and love just like Jesus. He saved everyone just like Jesus. He took away the pain just like Jesus. Just like religion you can't complicate it, it has to be simple otherwise it means nothing, we get caught up and side tracked. For me that's why I loved it. In the end Shepard was the hero and made it so people can live on, proof of that is in the last scene. Isn't that all we ever wanted. I mean why did you think, the whole crew including Shepard was gonns be on that island and live happily ever after. Well there is no happily ever after,
I knew that from the minute ME2 ended. It is happily ever after but just not in the way some wanted it. All Shepard ever wanted was to save that boy(technically speaking) and he did, maybe not that exact boy but a boy, he saved life for many many people.

I just don't see the missing Plotholes. All the questions I had were answered. All the choices I made came together. Not because everything was laid in front of me at the end of the game but because it wasn't. That's is why I loved this game. It was never going to be there, to be explained entirely because it didn't need to be. It mattered to the meaning of everything but not to the explanation and no explaination is the whole point.

Please I beg of you Bioware release a different ending our an explanation of the current one so you can make people happy. I wouldn't because then I would know it wasn't appreciated and that would make mad.

Not everything is so complicated.

Has anyone from Bioware responded to the ending? All feeling aside I really want to know.

[McScroggz24]

For the OP's sake I will TRY to play devil's advocate, here goes:

If one was to look at the ending, say from Shepard getting beamed up (Scotty), and look at everything from that point on NOT from a literal sense, but from the perspective of the ramifications of all your choices from Mass Effect to the end of Mass Effect 3 have resulted in Shepard being in a unique position to...ugh this is to hard.

Ok, so basically, the choices you are forced to make aren't meant to be taken from a literal, detailed point of view. It's the philosophical decision of:
A) Shep resorts to controlling the Reapers, what he fought and argued with TIM about for two games; effectively sacrificing his life in order to give everyone else a chance.
Shep denies what Starchild says and destroys the Reapers, simple.
C) Accept Starchild's reasoning and conclude that Synthesizing everything will somehow solve the conundrum and everybody will be happy!

Now, of course this results in basically glossing over countless problems from narrative issues, storytelling issues, character issues, plotholes, lack of closure, I could go on...the point is, to love the story one must not look deeply into it. THIS IS NOT AN INSULT. I do wonder how one who loved the ending could love the complexity of many of the story arcs in the trilogy, but that's another topic.

One last thing, by no means is this reasoning wholly correct, nor does it mean that everyone who loves the endings falls in this line of thinking. This is just the only rationalization I could possibly think of, other than some people just want to be a contrarian or to troll these forums. OP, I assume you are not a troll; however, when one creates a divisive topic then replies to largely or solely the responses that bash him instead of the reasonable ones (such as civilly asking you to explain you stance in a LITTLE bit of detail) it does make one suspect.

[AxisEvolve]

METALPUNKS wrote... 
Plothole this, Plothole that it all mumble now. 

 
Sorry, but the story is actually important to some people. 

METALPUNKS wrote...
Shepard is the future Jesus in a sense.  

This is..... silly. Are you being serious? This is the problem.

METALPUNKS wrote...  
Yes throughout ME all many of the decision were hard, very hard but in the end it was simple 

  
This is also the problem.  Straight up inconsistent.

"Hey Shepard, everything has been so hard...but stopping the Reapers is simple!"

METALPUNKS wrote...
He took away the pain just like Jesus 

   
No. He destroyed the Mass Relays, stranded thousands on a burning planet (millions doomed to starvation) and accepted the Catalyst's choices without asking anyone's opinion.

His/her LI's fate = a heartbroken eternity on a random middle of nowhere planet. 

METALPUNKS wrote... 
Well there is no happily ever after 

    
You're confusing the need for a story to make sense with the need for a happy ending. Most people just want a well written end. 

METALPUNKS wrote...  
I just don't see the missing Plotholes. All the questions I had were answered. 

     
Then there is no helping you. Everyone else can see them. 

Look up any number of threads for a dozen different ending plotholes. See also "Indoctrination theory". Aka plothole justification. 

[ewdiaz]

"listen to yourself, your indoctrinated!"

[someone else]

I don't hate you. You're quite entitled to like the ending. But no matter how much you kiss a pig, its still a pig.

Oh sorry, just read your latest.  You can't see the plot holes.  Ok, its not a pig, its Snooki.  Really.  Be happy.

Modifié par someone else, 31 mars 2012 - 05:41 .

[METALPUNKS]

McScroggz24 wrote...
One last thing, by no means is this reasoning wholly correct, nor does it mean that everyone who loves the endings falls in this line of thinking. This is just the only rationalization I could possibly think of, other than some people just want to be a contrarian or to troll these forums. OP, I assume you are not a troll; however, when one creates a divisive topic then replies to largely or solely the responses that bash him instead of the reasonable ones (such as civilly asking you to explain you stance in a LITTLE bit of detail) it does make one suspect.

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It's not that I want to respond to the bashing ones but I feel I've already explained myself numerous times, again  and again. I feel I explained it from the very first post. Does nobody get it? The entire point is it doesn't need complications of detailed explaining. Being simple is what I loved about it. I'm not a simple man normally but for this I just thought the last cutscene after the credits made it all work for me. Without that I would be in the same boat as the other 99.99% of players. That scene and it's simplicity was perfect. There is all this chaos for the whole game, people dying, planets being destroyed, sacrafice, revenge, and all that other good stuff that made the game incredible. Then this beautiful setting comes on the screen with just a boy and his grandfather. It all came down to Shepard making that happen. Everything you did was for that. 'That' isn't just a boy and his grandfather, 'That' is hope. Shepard said it himself "without hope we have nothing". Shepard got what he wanted, he got what he wanted all along. If he was looking down on them he'd smile and feel like what he did mattered. 

Really I can't explain it any better than that. Why can't that be enough? If you didn't get that then I know why you didn't get the story. I'm just trying to get the point across that it's not all so complicated. Sometimes you need to look past all the ugly to see the beauty. 

[someone else]

Dear Metalpunks,

The cut scene you find so endearing provides one of the clearest indications that the current "ending" is not the end - Grandpa promised you "one more story" didn't he? And that after keeping you up past beddy time to tell you the story from Eden Prime to the Citadel - (the events of the latter would be known to NO ONE, had Shepard not survived, and in any case would have come down as fable or legend, not actual history) - IE the Red ending is the only one with a future. So guess when that "one more story" needs to take place, chronologically?

Modifié par someone else, 31 mars 2012 - 06:00 .

[Acidrain92]

-Someone makes thread about their opinion
-everyone comes in and attempts to disprove him

lol

[METALPUNKS]

someone else wrote...Dear Metalpunks,
The cut scene you find so endearing provides one of the clearest indications that the current "ending" is not the end - Grandpa promised you "one more story" didn't he? And that after keeping you up past beddy time to tell you the story from Eden Prime to the Citadel - (the events of the latter would be known to NO ONE, had Shepard not survived, and in any case would have come down as fable or legend, not actual history) - IE the Red ending is the only one with a future. So guess when that "one more story" needs to take place, chronologically?

Ive already stated a few times that it probably wasn't the end. I mentioned the grandpa saying that. I said that would be great for people who hated the ending to get some closure. I also said that it shouldn't wait until a new game, it need to be DLC. I think the series need to end or go on as a spin off in a sense. Who knows there could be an incredible story yet to be told. I hope there is. It's sad to see Shepard go. I out of pure honesty I truly want people to feel the way I felt about the ending. 
Listen I know I'm the minority. I don't think it would be cool of Bioware to had planned along to end it the way they did knowing that people would hate it then charge for DLC. If they had more to the story then they should have put it in the game. I feel the same way about the from ashes dlc. I think Javik should be part of the story without the DLC. To make people pay for him is really not cool. I loved his character and I would hate to see someone miss out on him because they couldn't afford it. Even though I was happy I still want more ME just as much as anyone else. I'd play ME4 through twenty if they were there. I do want to know why they gave Shepard that gasp for air. P