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[Dragoonlordz]

Iconoclaste wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

Prove it. Care to show a single thread where I state they do not 'get it' or that they do not understand the endings.

It's in your signature. That's where you want everyone to go, to contemplate you like you do yourself.

What are you babbling about now? What about my signature? Having a link in it leading to my own thread which states why "I" liked the ending is somehow telling others they don't understand the endings? No sorry but thats a stretch by any margin.

[MassiveEffects]

Flextt wrote...

Idea is good, execution awful. It should have been the other way around like in the previous games: Idea mediocre, execution excellent.

edit: Condescension comes in many, non-explicit forms.

Not sure what you mean by the idea being good, but we can certainly agree on the execution being awful.

[KingKhan03]

Why introduce a new character in the last 5 mins?

[Iconoclaste]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

Iconoclaste wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

Prove it. Care to show a single thread where I state they do not 'get it' or that they do not understand the endings.

It's in your signature. That's where you want everyone to go, to contemplate you like you do yourself.

What are you babbling about now? What about my signature? Having a link in it leading to my own thread which states why "I" liked the ending is somehow telling others they don't understand the endings? No sorry but thats a stretch by any margin.

Again.

Modifié par Iconoclaste, 31 mars 2012 - 09:51 .

[KingKhan03]

Iconoclaste wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

Iconoclaste wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

Prove it. Care to show a single thread where I state they do not 'get it' or that they do not understand the endings.

It's in your signature. That's where you want everyone to go, to contemplate you like you do yourself.

What are you babbling about now? What about my signature? Having a link in it leading to my own thread which states why "I" liked the ending is somehow telling others they don't understand the endings? No sorry but thats a stretch by any margin.

Again.

[Dragoonlordz]

Iconoclaste wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

Iconoclaste wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

Prove it. Care to show a single thread where I state they do not 'get it' or that they do not understand the endings.

It's in your signature. That's where you want everyone to go, to contemplate you like you do yourself.

What are you babbling about now? What about my signature? Having a link in it leading to my own thread which states why "I" liked the ending is somehow telling others they don't understand the endings? No sorry but thats a stretch by any margin.

Again.

Show me in my thread where anywhere I state they do not get it or understand it? Again if wish to go down highlighting route... You can peddle your fantasy as much as you like but you made a claim I told people they don't understand or get it, when in fact the only thing I have ever done is say what I thought of it and never once stated they do not get it or do not understand it.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 31 mars 2012 - 09:55 .

[Iconoclaste]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

Show me in my thread where anywhere I state they do not get it or understand it? Again if wish to go down highlighting route... You can peddle your fantasy as much as you like but you made a claim I told people they don't understand or get it, when in fact the only thing I have ever done is say what I thought of it and never once stated they do not get it or do not understand it.

Good night. Have fun.

[Jadebaby]

ediskrad327 wrote...

*looks at joining date* sure whatever

You joined like 2 months before him.... lol

[Jadebaby]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

Show me in my thread where anywhere I state they do not get it or understand it? Again if wish to go down highlighting route... You can peddle your fantasy as much as you like but you made a claim I told people they don't understand or get it, when in fact the only thing I have ever done is say what I thought of it and never once stated they do not get it or do not understand it.

Seriously, for someone who liked the endings you spend a ****load of time discussing it. Just move on.

[Jenonax]

Skirlasvoud wrote...

Jenonax wrote...



Feel the overwhelming urge to weigh in here.

The
Angry One's correct in this.  Whether or not you liked the ending is
subjective.  No one can tell you how to feel about something.  We can't
even tell ourselves how to feel.

But objectively from a narrative
standpoint, the ending is a travesty.  It goes against the fundamentals
of storytelling.  Basic things like theme, cohesion, character
development all go out the window.  The fact that they strip the main
antagonists of all their terror, power and allure and make them
playthings at the eleventh hour automatically strips the narrative of
its primary basic conflict between the protagonist and the antagonist.

Storytelling
has rules.  It isn't a completely free for all medium.  As much as you
might like to think you can do whatever you want, you can't.  End of
story.  The ending manages to pull of as much rule breaking as is
possible in a five minute period.  

Breaking of the reader-writer contract - check
Insertion of Deus Ex Machina to resolve/explain main conflict - check
Rendering primary character powerless in the final act - check
No
resolution to conflict between protagonist and antagonist - check
(Catalyst is NOT the main baddie.  Harbinger is.  The Reapers as a whole
are.  The Catalyst is a wholely unnecessary DEM)
Complete abandonment of themes/lore - check

Like
it all you want, I've no right to tell you otherwise, but the ending is
a failure no matter what subjective feelings anyone has towards it.

Still subjective.


It being bad in this respect is a matter of what you weigh it against. 

If you compare it against the established convention of proper storytelling as we know it, the ending is sub par.
If you compare it against the scribblings of a five year old, the ending is an improvement.


All you need to do now, is choose what subjective perspective you want to cling to.

Fact remains however, that "bad" is relative no matter how you slice it.

Loathe am I to drag this up from 8 hours ago but I went to sleep.

You can't compare a scribbling from a 5 year old to a 100 hour plus sci fi fantasy epic we pay for.  They don't exist in the same ball park.

I'm smarter than a 5 year old (I think) but much less intelligent than Steven Hawking, but I wouldn;t be judged against either of them.  I'm not on either of their levels.  The general populace does not take the same exam regardless of what age you are or what subject you're studying we take different ones amongst a group of our peers.

Mass Effect should be judged as such.  It was written by professional writers who are paid to do so.  Therefore it needs to be critiqued as a piece of professional literature.  And that is where the ending can be said to objectively fail.

Modifié par Jenonax, 31 mars 2012 - 10:12 .

[Dragoonlordz]

Jade8aby88 wrote...

ediskrad327 wrote...

*looks at joining date* sure whatever

You joined like 2 months before him.... lol

It is just a method and phrase people have used on BSN for many months now in order to dismiss and discredit another persons opinion on a subject. I already pointed out the fallacy of using it against others and how it simply does not work how they intended it to but yeh what you pointed out is quite funny.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 31 mars 2012 - 10:14 .

[Flextt]

I dont hate you. I hate myself for not finding similar peace no matter how I look at it.

Modifié par Flextt, 31 mars 2012 - 10:12 .

[KingKhan03]

Lighten up guys.

[MassiveEffects]

KingKhan03 wrote...




Lighten up guys.

Never! Discussing ME3's ending is serious business.

[Dragoonlordz]

Jade8aby88 wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

Show me in my thread where anywhere I state they do not get it or understand it? Again if wish to go down highlighting route... You can peddle your fantasy as much as you like but you made a claim I told people they don't understand or get it, when in fact the only thing I have ever done is say what I thought of it and never once stated they do not get it or do not understand it.

Seriously, for someone who liked the endings you spend a ****load of time discussing it. Just move on.

Well read the thread title, its about someone who enjoys it so naturally it is a thread I would be interested in as opposed to spending my time instead in ones hating it. It is a thread that is more in my interests than those who hate or dislike the ending because we share common outlook. As for why I still discuss it, it is because the 'liked ending' threads have something in common with myself. Which is why it is so annoying when people jump in and attack the OP of those threads for not hating it along with them. Couple things also worth noting is I do not actually take part in any 'hate the endings' threads because I do not share their opinion, as well as I do not berate anyone who has been polite and reasonable and respectful in the threads towards the people who liked what they do not.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 31 mars 2012 - 10:25 .

[Motherlander]

If you like the ending so much, why are you on this forum rather than compulsively re-playing the trilogy a second time so you can experience the wonderful ending yet again.

Surely if the ending is that good, you would be desparate to experince it as soon as possible with a whole new character.

Personally that is what I was like with ME1 and 2. I didn't sit on forums praising the ending because I was too busy playing the game a second time.

I am here, because I hate the ending but otherwise love Mass Effect.

[Dragoonlordz]

Motherlander wrote...

If you like the ending so much, why are you on this forum rather than compulsively re-playing the trilogy a second time so you can experience the wonderful ending yet again.

Surely if the ending is that good, you would be desparate to experince it as soon as possible with a whole new character.

Personally that is what I was like with ME1 and 2. I didn't sit on forums praising the ending because I was too busy playing the game a second time.

I am here, because I hate the ending but otherwise love Mass Effect.

The world does not work that way. People come here to discuss what they love not come here only to rant about what they hate. While that may be what you are doing it is not the main principle of these forums or why many of us take part here. So why should I leave just because I enjoyed the endings? Being happy with what I bought does not mean it is an oxygen supply, if you feel that everytime you like something you must jack yourself into it forever sticking it on repeat 24/7 then you need to aquire more common sense.

Who says I have not played it more than once? Where did you get that assumption from. Maybe I have played it more than twice, what difference would that make? Sorry if people  who like the ending won't just vanish so you can post nothing but negative comments about the ending in order to demoralise the development team into depression and give you what you want. Just not going to happen. You have moaned/complained about the endings so why are you still here? You moaned, they read it so time for you to move on?

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 31 mars 2012 - 11:41 .

[Barict78]

Please Explain the endings then? So ur Cool With Genocide on a Galactic scale? hmm ok... SO ur cool with being lied too hmm ok... so ur cool with Major Characters being introduced in the last 5 minutes to Hammer YOUR shepard into HIS 3 choices hmm ok... Sir i have some ocean front property in Arizona id like to sell to u very reasonable price. get bak to me on it.

[Jadebaby]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

Jade8aby88 wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

Show me in my thread where anywhere I state they do not get it or understand it? Again if wish to go down highlighting route... You can peddle your fantasy as much as you like but you made a claim I told people they don't understand or get it, when in fact the only thing I have ever done is say what I thought of it and never once stated they do not get it or do not understand it.

Seriously, for someone who liked the endings you spend a ****load of time discussing it. Just move on.

Well read the thread title, its about someone who enjoys it so naturally it is a thread I would be interested in as opposed to spending my time instead in ones hating it. It is a thread that is more in my interests than those who hate or dislike the ending because we share common outlook. As for why I still discuss it, it is because the 'liked ending' threads have something in common with myself. Which is why it is so annoying when people jump in and attack the OP of those threads for not hating it along with them. Couple things also worth noting is I do not actually take part in any 'hate the endings' threads because I do not share their opinion, as well as I do not berate anyone who has been polite and reasonable and respectful in the threads towards the people who liked what they do not.

Well said, and I was never insinuating you shouldn't voice your opinion, it's just I would feel like a broken-record if I talked about it that much, from either camps view. The only reason I jump into these pro-ending threads is to see if they have a perspective on it that hasn't been drawn on and if I can find closure in said perspective... So far, 0% success rate, which is unfortunate.

[Electric Pig]

Obvious Troll is Obvious.


Garrus Plushie Response Initiated. 




 

[Dragoonlordz]

Barict78 wrote...

Please Explain the endings then? So ur Cool With Genocide on a Galactic scale? hmm ok... SO ur cool with being lied too hmm ok... so ur cool with Major Characters being introduced in the last 5 minutes to Hammer YOUR shepard into HIS 3 choices hmm ok... Sir i have some ocean front property in Arizona id like to sell to u very reasonable price. get bak to me on it.

Was not genocide on galactic scale, you never saw them all die, you assumed they did. While you assume they did, I think they did not. This has been covered many times by many people possiblities where they did not all die. Ironically it would be genocide on a galactic scale if didn't stop the Reapers. I was not lied to, I never spent all my time deconstructing and constantly watching every single thing they said. They never told me was no A or B or C endings or that was 16 of them. If I did not read that prior to playing then I was never lied to, capiche. I have no problem with new characters near the end of the game especially AI ones and in many games you do not meet of know the end boss until you reach the end, hell what do you think you had in the end of ME2? Terminator Reaper says "hi".

As far as I am concerned it was not the AI's three choices, it was the only choices available built into the crucible (physical structures that had to be built prior to the end) meaning the choices were designed that way prior based on many cycles that took to design that crucible. Most games don't even give you a choice even ME titles do not give you many choices at the end of for example ME2. Was there a choice not to have Sovereign die and Reapers plans delayed? Because if there was I clearly missed it.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 31 mars 2012 - 12:08 .

[Dragoonlordz]

Electric Pig wrote...

Obvious Troll is Obvious.

Garrus Plushie Response Initiated.
 

He is not a troll, but what your doing is considered such.

[Acidrain92]

I dont understand why people who like the endings are being called trolls.

if anything its the other way around O.o

[Dragoonlordz]

Acidrain92 wrote...

I dont understand why people who like the endings are being called trolls.

if anything its the other way around O.o

As mentioned before they only do it (shout or say troll) to discredit and dismiss those who like the endings.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 31 mars 2012 - 12:06 .

[ChuckNorris18]

It's the way that you worded your topic, that makes you a troll.
Saying "Hate me" on an internet forum's topic is just asking to be called a troll.