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[HeroicHare]

one two three four, i declare a flame war

[Dresden867]

The Angry One wrote...

You know why people say you're wrong if you try to justify the ending with logic? Because you are objectively wrong. The end.
You can like it, and nobody's saying otherwise, but it's indefensible.

And yet you wonder why people don't bother to defend the endings!

[The Angry One]

CaliGuy033 wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

You know why people say you're wrong if you try to justify the ending with logic? Because you are objectively wrong. The end.
You can like it, and nobody's saying otherwise, but it's indefensible.

And then there's the most substanceless argument of all: "Your opinion is objectively wrong." 

Memorize it.  Use it.  Love it.  

The quality of the endings is not an opinion.
Liking the endings regardless is an opinion, and yours to have.

It has been repeatedly demonstrated that the endings make no sense whatsoever. If you choose to like them in spite of that, that's your business.

[The Angry One]

Dresden867 wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

You know why people say you're wrong if you try to justify the ending with logic? Because you are objectively wrong. The end.
You can like it, and nobody's saying otherwise, but it's indefensible.

And yet you wonder why people don't bother to defend the endings!

If the endings could be defended logically, who cares what others say?

[Ultra Prism]

I dont hate you but I do hate the endings ... but you are welcome that you liked ending ... Bioware touched soul but destroyed mine in the process

[Dresden867]

we can't have a useful discussion about the endings if:

1) I am required to adhere to your logic and not my own to define my viewpoint.

2) I am required to adhere to a limitation in which I must feel the same way about 100% of all of the endings, in order for my viewpoint to be valid.

3) I am required to accept "quality" as a fact and not an opinion

You're essentially reframing the debate here, then wondering why people don't want to talk on your terms.

[Scorpii]

Here we go again....

[MadRabbit999]

The Angry One wrote...

Dresden867 wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

You know why people say you're wrong if you try to justify the ending with logic? Because you are objectively wrong. The end.
You can like it, and nobody's saying otherwise, but it's indefensible.

And yet you wonder why people don't bother to defend the endings!

If the endings could be defended logically, who cares what others say?

In Lord of the Rings, why didn't they use the eagles from the start to do the qhole quest? PLOTHOLE!

Didn't ruin it for me though

[taelus.calimshan]

Dresden867 wrote...

Jenonax wrote...

Don't be silly OP, we don't hate the people who like the ending. And props for defending why you like it, its rare to find any pro-ending people willing to defend it. You're in the minority though.

That might have something to do with the way the posters in this forum use anyone that dares to disagree as their personal rage outlet.

Just saying.

It's true that some folks are kind of harsh, but I think you'll find that overall, unless someone was trolling, any negative comments are retracted or at least the other posters declare them inappropriate.  Most of us say what's being said here already.  We're saying that the OP is welcome to their opinion, that we're jealous we don't feel the same way, that maybe they should be more careful with their titles, and that we don't even remotely hate them.

I'd say that's pretty civil on the whole.

[CaliGuy033]

The Angry One wrote...

The quality of the endings is not an opinion.

Yes.  Yes it is.

And here's the best part:  that will never change, no matter how many times you insist otherwise, no matter how many times you use words like "objective."

But hey, keep at it.  Nothing wrong with spinning that hamster wheel. 

[The Angry One]

Dresden867 wrote...

we can't have a useful discussion about the endings if:

1) I am required to adhere to your logic and not my own to define my viewpoint.

2) I am required to adhere to a limitation in which I must feel the same way about 100% of all of the endings, in order for my viewpoint to be valid.

3) I am required to accept "quality" as a fact and not an opinion

You're essentially reframing the debate here, then wondering why people don't want to talk on your terms.

- You are required to adhere to the logic of the game universe as presented in the codex, history and in game events.
If you don't, then we might as well be discussing World of Warcraft.

- You don't have to feel the same way as me about anything.

- Quality in the sense of personal experience is subjective, if you feel you've had a quality experience from something that makes absolutely no sense, fine. There are various reasons it may not affect you, or it may not care. However, arguing that the endings fit the context of the game or make any sense will fall flat on it's face.

Modifié par The Angry One, 30 mars 2012 - 09:40 .

[vaylander]

suusuuu wrote...

Why not hate him? He specifically asks for it in the thread title.

I'd be lying if I said this didn't make me laugh.

[The Angry One]

MadRabbit999 wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

Dresden867 wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

You know why people say you're wrong if you try to justify the ending with logic? Because you are objectively wrong. The end.
You can like it, and nobody's saying otherwise, but it's indefensible.

And yet you wonder why people don't bother to defend the endings!

If the endings could be defended logically, who cares what others say?

In Lord of the Rings, why didn't they use the eagles from the start to do the qhole quest? PLOTHOLE!

Didn't ruin it for me though

One plot hole I can forgive. 100 I cannot.

[Russalka]

MadRabbit999 wrote...

In Lord of the Rings, why didn't they use the eagles from the start to do the qhole quest? PLOTHOLE!

Didn't ruin it for me though

The eagles refused to and were not allowed to.

Disciple888 wrote...

bro, if you like the ending, NOBODY
CARES. You got the ending you wanted? You're happy with the product
you purchased? Great! But there's a fairly large fanbase that wasn't.
Why should they be denied the ending they want, WHEN IT DOESN'T AFFECT
YOUR STORY IN THE SLIGHTEST? I mean, if new DLC is released, it's not
like Shephard is holding a Carnifex to your head and telling you to buy
it!

This is why I think you white knights are trolls.

People are free to express their opinion. How does it deny you of your right to demand a better ending?
He does not demand Bioware to ignore you, just expresses his contentedness.

Modifié par Russalka, 30 mars 2012 - 09:46 .

[The Angry One]

CaliGuy033 wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

The quality of the endings is not an opinion.

Yes.  Yes it is.

And here's the best part:  that will never change, no matter how many times you insist otherwise, no matter how many times you use words like "objective."

But hey, keep at it.  Nothing wrong with spinning that hamster wheel. 

As I elaborated, if you percieve it as a quality experience, fine.
But the quality of the endings from an objective point of view is not and will never be an opinion. They simply do not work.

[AlexPorto111]

I am not a hater either,for me the ending was good,not amazing,but good.

[kzao88]

i for one am jealous

[Mev186]

I'm happy for you, and even envy you a little. I wish I could enjoy the ending, But I can't...

[zarnk567]

The Angry One wrote...

MadRabbit999 wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

Dresden867 wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

You know why people say you're wrong if you try to justify the ending with logic? Because you are objectively wrong. The end.
You can like it, and nobody's saying otherwise, but it's indefensible.

And yet you wonder why people don't bother to defend the endings!

If the endings could be defended logically, who cares what others say?

In Lord of the Rings, why didn't they use the eagles from the start to do the qhole quest? PLOTHOLE!

Didn't ruin it for me though

One plot hole I can forgive. 100 I cannot.

Plus I overlook all the plot holes in other movies cause their ending was built up to.... Having a "deus ex Machina" ending with no build up besides 1 blurb on some random planet in Mass effect 1 and one sentence on thessia in Mass effect 3 does not make enough build up for a deus ex machina.... it's just bad writing.

Modifié par zarnk567, 30 mars 2012 - 09:44 .

[Sohlito]

It's good that you loved it OP, and it's good that others can find some enjoyment and appreciation of it.

But man, I just don't get people who liked the ending. I really just DO NOT GET them.

[The Harmonizer]

OK, i hate you

[recentio]

METALPUNKS wrote...

 I thought everything came together perfectly. It was too beautiful to even put into words. It made me think about life and and how extrodinary it is. Someone who sits down and plays all the Mass Effects would at the least have a different outlook on our existence. I think that is the whole point to the game, if bioware intended for you to have a spiritual experience then they did their job, they did more. I know it's only a video game but it's really more than that for me, it's a perfectly beautiful take on life. I take my hat off to Bioware, I wouldn't change a thing. 

 Also there may be a chance for more, right. First you see Shepard(I'm assuming) take a gasp for air, it may have been his last but we really don't know. Then my favorite cut scene of the game, the boy and the man on that planet. The boy asks for one more story of THE Shepard and the man says ok one more. This tells me shepard lives, at that point you'd think the man would have told Shepards whole story because he ended with what we saw last. I don't get how the story can continue since there would be no way to get around but maybe it does. If it doesn't then that's ok to. I'm happy and I really am more than impressed with what Bioware has done. I really was expecting something horrible after all the threads started popping up all over the place but it wasn't horrible at all for me, the furthest from it. Thank you Bioware for making the best and my favorite video game series of all time. I'm only sad or upset because it's ended, or is it?

I'm happy for you, OP.

Unfortunately, the brief and narrow ending that is perfect for you personally doesn't have enough universal appeal to be deeply meaningful -- or even moderately comprehensible -- for a large segment of the player base. An ending that was broadened to offer additional options/explanations/whathaveyou would be more appropriate for a game with a diverse player base as ME3 has. As it stands, only a limited segment of all ME3 players are members of the finale's target audience.

If this is the way the company is moving, that's fine. I will take that as a sign that, sadly, their products are no longer meant for me. I'm only still here on the off chance that a revision/expansion is eventually coming...

[pablosplinter]

Actually I have changed my mind, I do now hate you OP

[stysiaq]

Your wish is my command! I hate you, OP.

Modifié par stysiaq, 30 mars 2012 - 09:51 .

[DESSYX]

METALPUNKS wrote...

It made me think about life and and how extrodinary it is.

Indeed, the first thing I thought after seeing the ending was "I just spent 5 years of my life waiting for this? **** it, I'm going back out into the real world."

Thank you BioWare for giving me my (real) life back.