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[DoctorCrowtgamer]

Should I point out that the most popular Sherlock Holmes novel is The Hound of the Baskervilles and it was written after Holmes was brought back to life because unhappy fans wrote letters to Sir Arthur Conan Doyle over his killing off Holmes?

[LinksOcarina]

Barbarossa2010 wrote...

LinksOcarina wrote...

rvgifford wrote...

Don't give them traffic. Forbes, however . . . rocks.

Forbes is just as biased though. They are just on your side and better written.

They honestly have not had a new article regarding Mass Effect for two weeks if you read the articles.

This was published today.

http://www.forbes.co...ffect-protests/

I personaly disagree with what he says, it shows a problem with the perception of the industry as nothing but entertainemnt, when entertainment is seen as forms of art at the same time. 

That said...

www.forbes.com/sites/erikkain/2012/03/16/story-telling-in-video-games-and-the-mass-effect-3-ending/

www.forbes.com/sites/erikkain/2012/03/30/six-reasons-why-changing-the-mass-effect-3-ending-wont-threaten-its-artistic-integrity/

www.forbes.com/sites/erikkain/2012/03/13/mass-effect-3-and-the-pernicious-myth-of-gamer-entitlement/

They many not talk about the same things, but the general feeling I get is that they are pretty much going over re-treaded ground again. By the same few authors too, no less.

[DoctorCrowtgamer]

ChookAttack wrote...

SilentPhenomed wrote...

BatmanPWNS wrote...

They're basically saying that fans don't have the right to demand a new ending.

Exactly. Lol, I wouldn't say we have no right to demand...I mean that's voicing our opinion....but we shouldn't be expecting a new ending or hating Bioware forever because we didn't like how ME3 ended. We shouldn't be pressuring them to change the ending for us when it's BIOWARE'S STORY. You don't like it? Okay, forget about it or deal wth it, IMO, that's how I see it lol.

But there's the excuse that "but Mass effect IS YOUR STORY!!" It's not >_> Sorry, but that's the news. Mass Effect is already a predetermined story. We simply make our own Commander Shepard (or stick to default) and pick the many paths given to us throughout. We start from the same beginning, reach the same end. Our choices only affect what's in between. Thus, that's why we replay games...to see "what would happen if i did this or that?" We'd know what happens in the end and other certain parts of the game.

So that being said, it's Bioware's story. i don't think they should make a new ending because the fans want one...they should make one because they want a new one or something. It's Bioware's story, their creativity, you have to respect that. Yes you paid 60 or 80 bucks for mass effect 3 and expected amazing, diverse endings, but it was never guaranteed that you'd love the ending or that they'd be VASTLY diverse.

I disagree.  Mass Effect may be Bioware's story, but they are the ones who chose to put it out there as a commercial product.  That decision brings with it not only the right to tell the story that they want to tell, but because it is a commercial product, it also beings a responsibility to provide the product your customers want.  That responsibility extends not only to the customer, but also to the investors and shareholders.  To not provide a product that aligns with your customers' expectations and wants (especially when they have fed those expectations via interviews and press releases) is a good way to ensure the decline of your  profit base. 

If EA want to create 'art' that caters only to their desires, they shouldn't be charging me for it.  This IS a case of an 'A' or 'B' choice.  They either want to produce art and retain the right to ignore all other opinions, or they want to produce a commercial product, which if it is to be successful has to take into consideration, and cater to, the expectations of the consumer.

As for not having the right to pressure Bioware into meeting our expectations, sorry, but Bioware has a choice.  No-one is forcing Bioware to do anything.  If they want to charge me for their product, they will have to put up with me exercising my right to with determine where I spend my money.  If that includes deciding to not purchase from Bioware, then they have another choice.  They can either decide that my money is a loss they are willing to take, or they can decide to change their product to better cater to my expectations.

Bioware is no different to Ford or Toyota.  They either make a product that the consumer wants to buy and they profit, or they ignore consumer demands and watch those consumers go elsewhere to spend their money.  In my eyes, and anecdotally, Bioware are on two strikes at the moment.  Their choice now seems to be either stick to their 'artistic' vision and thereby lose some of their customer base, or institute change in their design process that allows for customer expectations to be met.  Only Bioware can decide which of those choices is the correct one for both the customer and the investor.

Not only that but did we force Bioware to lie to us in the first place?  No.  If Bioware had told the truth about their game none of this would have happened.  The fact is they are still lying so they get no more of my money until they live up to their word.

People who lie to me don't get my money unless they make it right.  How is that morally wrong?

[Ender99]

I refuse to click that link and give them an extra hit.

[daftPirate]

Could be PR BS, but from what BioWare've said so far, they're not changing the ending, anyway. The content they're releasing for "clarification and closure" has 1. been in the works for a while and 2. won't change only "clarify and provide closure", that is if what they've said can be taken at face value.

[Wolven_Soul]

Hexley UK wrote...

Blackmind1 wrote...

Tells you the obvious fact that there are people who liked the ending. "Clearly must be trolling".

These forums never change.

Well objectively I think most people who hate the ending find it REALLY hard to understand why people would like that jumbled mess....just human nature m8.

I know I do.  Don't get me wrong, I am happy for those who like the endings, I reall am.  I envy them really.  But I do not understand it, and I have yet to see any posts explaining away everything that I find wrong with it.

[tenojitsu]

As much as I want to hear what they're spewing, I will not give the site the hit

[Wolven_Soul]

Murkman4683 wrote...

yoshibb wrote...

No one seems to want to take the consumer's rights into the equation. If the game a had bug that caused the game to freeze and no longer progress before Shepard went to earth, than I would have a faulty product that I would demand fixing. In the same way, the ending is a gamebreaking bug for me. It is riddled with plotholes, rushed, out of character, and changes the tone of the entire trilogy in the last ten minutes.

And yet, despite the fact that I was promised a satisfying conclusion and answers to all my questions, I'm not allowed to demand something better? Should we begin ending all games "rocks fall, you die"? After all, the developers are allowed to say whatever lies they come up with and then ignore all those things and do whatever they want in game. And the consumer who paid for it must just accept whatever **** they serve up.

That is the thing though, there is no law stating that if a game ships with bugs they have to fix it, it is not like the product is regualted by some law that requires a certain standard. 

Which means the same could be said for the ending and asking for more of a clarification.

That is something that really needs to change.

[Wolven_Soul]

Hexley UK wrote...

die-yng wrote...

It's so unbelievably dumb that all those gaming journalists keep on telling us how great the ending is, when it is clearly not.

People have given this to literature and creative writing professors and docents, people who are writers themselves have analyzed it.

And it is a weak ending. It simply is! It doesn't stand up to logic, reason, it goes against the flow of the narrative...
I guess we've all read the analysis' now.

Still they argue as if it is such a creative and intelligent ending... cut the crap, you so called journalists.
If you think Bioware should stick to it's ending and give their fans the finger, because you don't ever want fans to be able to influence the ending of any game (even though corporations, focus groups and the like already influence it), just stick to that.
Don't go on telling us that something that is bad is good, no one who has played the game (well almost no one, since there is a small minority of gamers who actually like the ending) will think it is.

There are 3 lights!

+10 geek points for recognition.

Star Trek: TNG  Spoken by Picard in the episode where he was captured by the Cardassians.  Oh, and it was 4 lights.  

Modifié par Wolven_Soul, 31 mars 2012 - 03:37 .

[Arokel]

I canceled my GI subscription after they mocked us a while back.

[AnsinJung]

As far as I'm concerned, DLC is already set up to change endings. Maybe not in a central way, but LotSB "ends" Liara's ME2 story quite differently, whereas before it just left unanswered questions, primarily, "what will happen with Liara and the Shadow Broker?" Only if you followed the correct line of questions did you even learn that she and her friend recovered Shepard's body, so that question may have been unanswered as well.

The Arrival also made the Collector ending appear kind of unnecessary, other than stopping the abductions. It's pretty sad that TIM stopped the abductions so he could start abducting for almost the same purpose. Anyways, imagine if the Collectors began their abductions at the same time as the Reapers invaded Earth. OOoooh! sidequests!

[Heinzmann01]

You people are all so ignorant. "Oh I'm not gonna listen to what they say because they disagree with me" At least read the article before you write it off as garbage. I for one believe it makes some valid points. Also, what would you say if Bioware came out and said "We're not going to ever adress the ending issues because we like it and our opinion is all that matters."

[Arokel]

Heinzmann01 wrote...

You people are all so ignorant. "Oh I'm not gonna listen to what they say because they disagree with me" At least read the article before you write it off as garbage. I for one believe it makes some valid points. Also, what would you say if Bioware came out and said "We're not going to ever adress the ending issues because we like it and our opinion is all that matters."

I would have read it if GI had not mocked us awhile back

[Jackal7713]

I'd take Forbes opinion over some suck ups opinion any day. One is being objective the other wants free games and a ticket to the in crowd.

Modifié par Jackal7713, 31 mars 2012 - 03:40 .

[Gemini1179]

Heinzmann01 wrote...
Also, what would you say if Bioware came out and said "We're not going to ever adress the ending issues because we like it and our opinion is all that matters."

"I don't have to give you any more money."

[saeval912]

So it is an article saying "I hope they don't change the endings, cause I totally picked the wrong one, and don't want that proven"

[Wolven_Soul]

terdferguson123 wrote...

This is a good article, and makes many valid points.

All of you who are refusing to read it just because it disagrees with your opinion in the title, well you are showing your colors as ignorant brats. The harsh truth.

Umm...wrong junior.  I am not reading the article because GI has been extremely biased about this issue, and have belittled those of us who do not like the endings several times.

[Wolven_Soul]

Valo_Soren wrote...

Another article I agree with, you do not have the right to demand a new ending.

When they advertised something that they did not deliver...then yes...we do.

[Wolven_Soul]

terdferguson123 wrote...

Barict78 wrote...

terdferguson123 wrote...

This is a good article, and makes many valid points.

All of you who are refusing to read it just because it disagrees with your opinion in the title, well you are showing your colors as ignorant brats. The harsh truth.

No they are sticking to their principals and not giving them a view cuz their just talking heads anyways so whats the dang difference. its their right not to click it and to call someone a brat for deciding not to clik an article is an example of how the Pro Enders are just as rude as the worst of the ReTake movement

Not really, at least we read the articles before judging them.

By not reading the article we are not judging it, we are judging Game Informer.  And oh yes, there are plenty of Pro Enders that are just as as bad as the worst of the Retakers.  The only reason that we do not see as much of it from them is because of the proportion.  There are a lot more Retakers than there are Pro Enders, therefore the amount of jerks is bound to be higher for us.

[Wolven_Soul]

thinicer wrote...

Mass Effect 4 will be what Mass Effect 3 should have been!

It will be what Windows 7 was to Windows Vista.

Let me know how that goes, I doubt that I will be buying it.

[Jackal7713]

Heinzmann01 wrote...

You people are all so ignorant. "Oh I'm not gonna listen to what they say because they disagree with me" At least read the article before you write it off as garbage. I for one believe it makes some valid points. Also, what would you say if Bioware came out and said "We're not going to ever adress the ending issues because we like it and our opinion is all that matters."

I'll write it off as garbage because its gamestops media. Pretty much its a gaming tabloid and reads just the same as any other tabloid.

[Gemini1179]

Wolven_Soul wrote...

Valo_Soren wrote...

Another article I agree with, you do not have the right to demand a new ending.

When they advertised something that they did not deliver...then yes...we do.

Regardless, as a consumer, I can demand anything I want. Whether or not I get it is another matter. If you understand this, there is no issue and the GI guy is just being an idiot. Gamers can demand ANYTHING. Nothing is forcing the game companies to comply.

But in this case, it would just make good business sense.

[ibage]

Heinzmann01 wrote...

You people are all so ignorant. "Oh I'm not gonna listen to what they say because they disagree with me" At least read the article before you write it off as garbage. I for one believe it makes some valid points. Also, what would you say if Bioware came out and said "We're not going to ever adress the ending issues because we like it and our opinion is all that matters."

Read it. Viability diminishes with each paid review they publish. 

[DoctorCrowtgamer]

Wolven_Soul wrote...

Valo_Soren wrote...

Another article I agree with, you do not have the right to demand a new ending.

When they advertised something that they did not deliver...then yes...we do.

Yeah well said!  We didn't force them to lie and if they are such artist why did they lie? because they are more interested in getting our money then anything else.  In other words they are making a product not art.  By their own logic they don't make art because DLC has been released for ME2 and DLC is coming for ME3.