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[Yorkston9152]

What i dont get is why people think we are whinning. If you got to a burger place because for the last five years they've made amazing burgers, and blow 20 bucks on a burger you've been hearing about for the last two years and it utterly sucks, dont you have the option of going to the manager and asking for your money back or for it to be redone? Even more so, do u think that said manager is gonna say "well the cook back there wont change it because it offends his position as a cook"?

[Hexley UK]

Heinzmann01 wrote...

You people are all so ignorant. "Oh I'm not gonna listen to what they say because they disagree with me" At least read the article before you write it off as garbage. I for one believe it makes some valid points. Also, what would you say if Bioware came out and said "We're not going to ever adress the ending issues because we like it and our opinion is all that matters."

Fail site is fail....why should I read something I already know is stupidly biased and ill informed?

[Hexley UK]

Yorkston9152 wrote...

What i dont get is why people think we are whinning. If you got to a burger place because for the last five years they've made amazing burgers, and blow 20 bucks on a burger you've been hearing about for the last two years and it utterly sucks, dont you have the option of going to the manager and asking for your money back or for it to be redone? Even more so, do u think that said manager is gonna say "well the cook back there wont change it because it offends his position as a cook"?

How about we clarify that burger for you?

Help you make more sense of it? 

[durasteel]

What I can't get over is how some of the mouth breathers in the gaming media feel like BioWare should be forever forced to bear the burden of this crappy ending. Even if some butt-pucker of a pseudo journalist fills himself with impotent rage over the perceived entitlement of Mass Effect fans, he should at least be willing to let BioWare have a shot at redemption.

Even if you like the sudden introduction of a new villain and the abrupt and dramatic shift in theme, even if you really like the idea of violating all life in the galaxy on a genetic level, or wiping out the self-aware Geth, or blowing up the mass relays... you have to admit that the execution of the ending was clumsy, sloppy, and awkward. "Where the hell are they, why are they there, and how the hell did they get there?" are not questions that you want your audience to be asking as the credits roll.

Ultimately, Casey Hudson and the development team have to be candid--at least among themselves--about the fact that the last few minutes of Mass Effect 3 is the absolutely least effective and compelling scene they have ever produced, certainly BioWare's worst work since Neverwinter Nights, and absolutely not how they want their 7 year labor of love to be remembered.

In other words, even if some Game Informer hack refuses to support a new ending for the consumers and fans of Mass Effect, he ought to be able to at least get behind the idea for BioWare's sake.

[AnsinJung]

Yorkston9152 wrote...

What i dont get is why people think we are whinning. If you got to a burger place because for the last five years they've made amazing burgers, and blow 20 bucks on a burger you've been hearing about for the last two years and it utterly sucks, dont you have the option of going to the manager and asking for your money back or for it to be redone? Even more so, do u think that said manager is gonna say "well the cook back there wont change it because it offends his position as a cook"?

Well is it that cook from The Little Mermaid?  Some cooks can wield a cleaver like nobody's business.

[LinksOcarina]

Hexley UK wrote...

Heinzmann01 wrote...

You people are all so ignorant. "Oh I'm not gonna listen to what they say because they disagree with me" At least read the article before you write it off as garbage. I for one believe it makes some valid points. Also, what would you say if Bioware came out and said "We're not going to ever adress the ending issues because we like it and our opinion is all that matters."

Fail site is fail....why should I read something I already know is stupidly biased and ill informed?

Because then you are just as biased at the same time?

Look I don't like Gameinformer either, but I did read the article it was not that bad....

[Yorkston9152]

Hexley UK wrote...

Yorkston9152 wrote...

What i dont get is why people think we are whinning. If you got to a burger place because for the last five years they've made amazing burgers, and blow 20 bucks on a burger you've been hearing about for the last two years and it utterly sucks, dont you have the option of going to the manager and asking for your money back or for it to be redone? Even more so, do u think that said manager is gonna say "well the cook back there wont change it because it offends his position as a cook"?

How about we clarify that burger for you?

Help you make more sense of it? 

mmm yes, you said this would be an amazing burger of flavor, with at least 16 different meats, cheeses and other toppings


what i got was a single blue patty, with a drop of katchsup and green buns. Also, when ever i try to eat it, i have no idea what the taste is and its hard to swallow

[Torrible]

Ah...how short memories are. It wasn't too long ago when GameInformer wrote in support of retakers.

[Hexley UK]

LinksOcarina wrote...

Hexley UK wrote...

Heinzmann01 wrote...

You people are all so ignorant. "Oh I'm not gonna listen to what they say because they disagree with me" At least read the article before you write it off as garbage. I for one believe it makes some valid points. Also, what would you say if Bioware came out and said "We're not going to ever adress the ending issues because we like it and our opinion is all that matters."

Fail site is fail....why should I read something I already know is stupidly biased and ill informed?

Because then you are just as biased at the same time?

Look I don't like Gameinformer either, but I did read the article it was not that bad....

I see your point but I already have a rough idea of what to expect and I don't want my clicking on that link to give those turds any more money.

You understand of course.

[Arokel]

LinksOcarina wrote...

Hexley UK wrote...

Heinzmann01 wrote...

You people are all so ignorant. "Oh I'm not gonna listen to what they say because they disagree with me" At least read the article before you write it off as garbage. I for one believe it makes some valid points. Also, what would you say if Bioware came out and said "We're not going to ever adress the ending issues because we like it and our opinion is all that matters."

Fail site is fail....why should I read something I already know is stupidly biased and ill informed?

Because then you are just as biased at the same time?

Look I don't like Gameinformer either, but I did read the article it was not that bad....

This one may not have been but they have mocked us in the past.

[Hexley UK]

Torrible wrote...

Ah...how short memories are. It wasn't too long ago when GameInformer wrote in support of retakers.

So the fact that they change their tune on a dime is supposed to make me trust their integrity more?

[Mylia Stenetch]

LinksOcarina wrote...

Hexley UK wrote...

Heinzmann01 wrote...

You people are all so ignorant. "Oh I'm not gonna listen to what they say because they disagree with me" At least read the article before you write it off as garbage. I for one believe it makes some valid points. Also, what would you say if Bioware came out and said "We're not going to ever adress the ending issues because we like it and our opinion is all that matters."

Fail site is fail....why should I read something I already know is stupidly biased and ill informed?

Because then you are just as biased at the same time?

Look I don't like Gameinformer either, but I did read the article it was not that bad....

That there sums up a lot of what I have been seeing in this thread, pure bias. When coming to a consensus and trying to understand how this is being percieved you need to look at both sides of the coin. Saying you refuse to read an article cause it is says "your wrong" puts you in the wrong since you are ignoring the points that could be given on the other side. 

[LinksOcarina]

Hexley UK wrote...

LinksOcarina wrote...

Hexley UK wrote...

Heinzmann01 wrote...

You people are all so ignorant. "Oh I'm not gonna listen to what they say because they disagree with me" At least read the article before you write it off as garbage. I for one believe it makes some valid points. Also, what would you say if Bioware came out and said "We're not going to ever adress the ending issues because we like it and our opinion is all that matters."

Fail site is fail....why should I read something I already know is stupidly biased and ill informed?

Because then you are just as biased at the same time?

Look I don't like Gameinformer either, but I did read the article it was not that bad....

I see your point but I already have a rough idea of what to expect and I don't want my clicking on that link to give those turds any more money.

You understand of course.

Look, I get it. I really do.

But as a guy who actually does write for a gaming website, it is more important to stay neutral on this for now than to give an editiorial opinion. In the end, people will see it as either against your opinion, or for it. In the end, it is all biased unless if it says it's biased, or if it says it's trying to stay neutral. 

It is a hard line to really go though in the end, and its something I stuggle with as a game journalist/reviewer/blogger.

Arokel wrote...


This one may not have been but they have mocked us in the past.

 

Did this writer mock people in the past?

The website does not equate the opinions of the writer. No matter how much you rationalize it. The author is more in question over the website in these kind of matters, and thats something that people need to realize. The website shouldn't matter, the author should.

Modifié par LinksOcarina, 31 mars 2012 - 03:59 .

[Straw_foot]

Not clicking on it, not interested. They've shown me what they are, I don't need to go hear whiny mud slinging.

[Wolven_Soul]

Thalorin1919 wrote...

Hexley UK wrote...

Thalorin1919 wrote...

Maybe you guys should read the articles and opinions that oppose your viewpoint.


There are people out there who are satisfied with the ending and who are opposed to it being altered. And there are the people who want it changed due to their opinion that not everything was answered, that it wasn't the collective ending they wanted it to be.

However, shows the maturity level of you guys by blindly hating and not even bothering to read articles such as this. This movement is a ****ing joke.


EDIT:

Gameinformer is a pretty respectable sight. Saying that their morons, bought out, and just completely oblivious to the opinion of gamers and the industry that they support just shows how narrow minded you all are. 

Owned by Gamestop....who sell games.....i'm convinced....

They thrive on used games. I doubt this article was created to "boost" the sales of their games.


This is genius stuff. 

Think about it.  Just because they thrive on used games does not mean that they do not have a reason to want their magazine to give good reviews to games.  If GI had given ME3 a bad review, then it would have hurt game sales because yes there are a a lot of sheep out there who take GI as gospel.  Sadly I used to be one of them.  This whole situation has opened my eyes.  I am not saying that GI is bought out, but I do not trust them anywhere near as much as I used to.

[Wolven_Soul]

Thalorin1919 wrote...



Uh-huh.

The fact that DLC would be out there invalidates what the player has done. What if they don't like the changes? What if they feel that there is no longer a "real" ending because this is content that was created by a vocal group that they may not agree with. 

Creative groups that alter their films, shows, or games are usually crucified in the end. Changing anything will just cause more drama for Bioware. Adding clarifying content? Sure. Changing? No. 

Worked out pretty good for Bethesda.

[Wolven_Soul]

Thalorin1919 wrote...


People WON'T be happy.

People like the current ending. People disagree with the notion that this ending has to be changed. I don't see why one group should be screwed over becaue of a more vocal one that dominates the internet by monopolizing every single poll, forum, and discussion board because they are on the internet 24/7.

But it's okay for those of us who do not like the ending to be screwed over?  Thanks for that.

[Hexley UK]

Mylia Stenetch wrote...

LinksOcarina wrote...

Hexley UK wrote...

Heinzmann01 wrote...

You people are all so ignorant. "Oh I'm not gonna listen to what they say because they disagree with me" At least read the article before you write it off as garbage. I for one believe it makes some valid points. Also, what would you say if Bioware came out and said "We're not going to ever adress the ending issues because we like it and our opinion is all that matters."

Fail site is fail....why should I read something I already know is stupidly biased and ill informed?

Because then you are just as biased at the same time?

Look I don't like Gameinformer either, but I did read the article it was not that bad....

That there sums up a lot of what I have been seeing in this thread, pure bias. When coming to a consensus and trying to understand how this is being percieved you need to look at both sides of the coin. Saying you refuse to read an article cause it is says "your wrong" puts you in the wrong since you are ignoring the points that could be given on the other side. 

Not really.

There are plenty of people on this forum who are quite capable of providing me with the information and their side of the story to provide a sound judgement without me having to visit some scummy integrity absent website.

Like I said, I don't want them having my click.

[Hexley UK]

Wolven_Soul wrote...

Thalorin1919 wrote...


People WON'T be happy.

People like the current ending. People disagree with the notion that this ending has to be changed. I don't see why one group should be screwed over becaue of a more vocal one that dominates the internet by monopolizing every single poll, forum, and discussion board because they are on the internet 24/7.

But it's okay for those of us who do not like the ending to be screwed over?  Thanks for that.

Thalorin1919 you don't have to play the DLC...simples.

[Heinzmann01]

Wolven_Soul wrote...

terdferguson123 wrote...

This is a good article, and makes many valid points.

All of you who are refusing to read it just because it disagrees with your opinion in the title, well you are showing your colors as ignorant brats. The harsh truth.

Umm...wrong junior.  I am not reading the article because GI has been extremely biased about this issue, and have belittled those of us who do not like the endings several times.

Saying GI is biased on this issue is not a strong argument. Because with that same line of thinking everyone against the endings is biased as well. Just from a different viewpoint. 

Also, do you have any links to the articles in which they "belittle" you? I mean, sure I've read them say that they think Bioware does not and should not change the ending, but I don't recall them ever saying anything against the people that dislike the ending. 

[Wolven_Soul]

Thalorin1919 wrote...



To start, there ARE 16 different endings. You may not like it, they may not be that different, but there ARE 16 variations of the ending. Find an ending guide on the internet and it will show you how. 

You make choices throughout the game, and the choice you make at the end is pretty big considering you have the fate of the universe in your hands. Just because you don't see it, doesn't mean none of it matters. You don't need to see every single thing in visualized form or have every single question answered to be satisfied. The most popular stories in films, and video games, are often the ones that leave players asking questions. 

That is such a weak...weak arguement.  It's more like there are 16 variatons on one ending, I'm sorry, on three endings. 

Also, if Mass Effect started out from the get go as the kind of story that leaves you asking questions all the time, that would be fine, but it has never been like that.  They set out to tell a story.  A very definite story.  We have come along for the ride loving that story, and expecting an ending that gives us closure to the story that we have come to love.

That, and they distinctly said that they were not going to give us an ending that left us asking more questions for crying out loud.

[Hexley UK]

Wolven_Soul wrote...

Thalorin1919 wrote...



To start, there ARE 16 different endings. You may not like it, they may not be that different, but there ARE 16 variations of the ending. Find an ending guide on the internet and it will show you how. 

You make choices throughout the game, and the choice you make at the end is pretty big considering you have the fate of the universe in your hands. Just because you don't see it, doesn't mean none of it matters. You don't need to see every single thing in visualized form or have every single question answered to be satisfied. The most popular stories in films, and video games, are often the ones that leave players asking questions. 

That is such a weak...weak arguement.  It's more like there are 16 variatons on one ending, I'm sorry, on three endings. 

Also, if Mass Effect started out from the get go as the kind of story that leaves you asking questions all the time, that would be fine, but it has never been like that.  They set out to tell a story.  A very definite story.  We have come along for the ride loving that story, and expecting an ending that gives us closure to the story that we have come to love.

That, and they distinctly said that they were not going to give us an ending that left us asking more questions for crying out loud.

Theres 1 ending.....it sucked....the end.

[Wolven_Soul]

Thalorin1919 wrote...


That's like me saying I killed Sovereign in 16 different ways because I used different visual effects on my monitor while watching the ending to ME1.


Sorry, but every ME game had a conclusive ending that was the same in general, different in variation. Might as well ask them to change the ending to ME2 because you either watch the base blow up in blue or red form. 

That wsa different.  They were the first two games in a trilogy.  They had to have conclusive endings otherwise they might have to make two entirely different variations of the next game.  In this game we were promised a wide variety of endings that reflected our choices.  We did not get them.  Instead we got something that they promised us we would not get, that being, a choice between A, B, C.

[Mylia Stenetch]

Hexley UK wrote...

Not really.

There are plenty of people on this forum who are quite capable of providing me with the information and their side of the story to provide a sound judgement without me having to visit some scummy integrity absent website.

Like I said, I don't want them having my click.

That is still showing an extreme bias and ignorance. If I do not like something or agree with it, I do not through an oposing opinion under the bus. You have to understand what they say and refute if neccesary. To listen to people just on the BSN network that have a large bias that you lean on does not help build a a middle ground to work on.

[DarthSyphilis59]

F*ck 'Em!