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[Scorpii]

 I rather read Forbes 

Six Reasons why Changing the Mass Effect 3 Ending Wont Threaten Its Artistic Integrity:

www.forbes.com/sites/erikkain/2012/03/30/six-reasons-why-changing-the-mass-effect-3-ending-wont-threaten-its-artistic-integrity/


The Real Precedent Being Set by Mass Effect Protests:

http://www.forbes.co...ffect-protests/ 

[Murkman4683]

Hexley UK wrote...

Murkman4683 wrote...

Hexley UK wrote...

Murkman4683 wrote...

The article is not that bad, I could pull random words from any article and make it sound horrible. It simply states an opinion, it is not saying that we are wrong for wanting a new ending. It simply explains that if Bioware decides to fix the ending, how do they go about deeming which ending is the right one. Because my ending to ME3 was destroy, another players is control, which path is right. DO they make DLC based on the control choice or DLC based on the destroy choice.

That is all the article asks, which ending is the "right" one, and if there is chance that by creating a new ending DLC speciifc to one choice will it alienate more players.

Well if all their doing is "clarifying" (which btw i think is a terrible terrible mistake) then they just do what they were supposed to do the first time i.e extened each of the endings so they make some goddam sense.

IF they clarify the endings, then yes the answer is simply, but will that not upset those expecting fleshed out DLC.

I wouldn't worry m8, if they flesh it out that much then they will charge us for it anyway....so they should have the money to cover most angles.

I think it is still a tough position for Bioware, do we do clarification cutscenes for a price, or do we want DLC that extends the story and clarifies a single ending as the "right" ending. 

[Blackmind1]

Tells you the obvious fact that there are people who liked the ending. "Clearly must be trolling".

These forums never change.

[Flyprdu]

The author is emphatically wrong:
I'm not demanding a new ending. 
I'm suggesting. 
I'm also making it clear that my future business depends on whether BioWare heeds my suggestions.

[txmn1016]

Thanks for posting. Not as bad as I thought it would be--but have to agree that they probably didn't take Ray's statement too seriously if they think that Bioware has agreed to change anything.

[Murkman4683]

Hexley UK wrote...

Murkman4683 wrote...

The blade is double edged no matter how you look at the situation. I personally want fleshed out DLC, you just want them to clarify each ending option, which one do they do.

Lol no i don't, if i had my way they'd remove the starbrat entirely and just do a conventional death or glory boss battle and end sequence. Im just saying that for the sake of argument.

Oh, I know, I was just using your clarification statement as an example.

[txmn1016]

Blackmind1 wrote...

Tells you the obvious fact that there are people who liked the ending. "Clearly must be trolling".

These forums never change.

Wow, you are just all kinds of hostile today.

[Hexley UK]

Blackmind1 wrote...

Tells you the obvious fact that there are people who liked the ending. "Clearly must be trolling".

These forums never change.

Well objectively I think most people who hate the ending find it REALLY hard to understand why people would like that jumbled mess....just human nature m8.

[Jackal7713]

Mev186 wrote...

I find it odd that gaming publications such as Game Informer and Kotaku are condemning gamers for wanting to change the ending. while non gaming publications like Forbes are defending us. What a crazy world we live in...

Game Informer and Kotaku,  make me laugh. These are talking heads, for christ sakes, who's opinion is base apon ad money & telling other peole they are wrong for thinking the way they do. I'm almost to the point of saying  " everyone take your money and leave bioware alone since they don't get it.  Let the title/ dlc live or die according to the numbers.

[Hexley UK]

Flyprdu wrote...

The author is emphatically wrong:
I'm not demanding a new ending. 
I'm suggesting. 
I'm also making it clear that my future business depends on whether BioWare heeds my suggestions.

Exactly, I find it amusing that all these journalists seem to think we're holding a gun to biowares head or something.

The ball is entirely within their court as to whether they change anything or not.

[Priss Blackburne]

I find is just puzzling this little stand off between Developers and Fans in the media. I mean aren't the fans the ones who buy the products the developers make.

Tv and Movies have come to the realization that their fans are their greatest supporters and will keep shows and movies going far longer then they normally would. To Alienate their most vocal fans is like a death sentence to a series.

So why is it so different for video games. Is it because some people are really pushing the Game is art concept too far and forgetting what a Video Game is. Defining a video game as your standard Art piece is useless, they are in a class all their own. The concept that once a game is released it cannot change is silly given the whole history of video games and patchs, expansions, and Mods. So to become Art we have to strip away what makes Games great and make them into movies?

If you gave me only one option and it was between playing mass effect the game or watching Mass Effect the movie. I would choose the game hands down every time, because I feel like I am contributing to the story and that I have a say in how it turns out. Where a movie I can only sit staring at things happening with no input. The whole point of the Mass Effect games is crafting the story the way you want. Sure the Developers have creating boundaries that you must fall within, but the sense that this is my own personal story of My Shepard is an amazing concept.

Modifié par Priss Blackburne, 30 mars 2012 - 10:09 .

[AlphaDormante]

Game Informer is not entitled to my clicking money.

[Murkman4683]

Hexley UK wrote...

Flyprdu wrote...

The author is emphatically wrong:
I'm not demanding a new ending. 
I'm suggesting. 
I'm also making it clear that my future business depends on whether BioWare heeds my suggestions.

Exactly, I find it amusing that all these journalists seem to think we're holding a gun to biowares head or something.

The ball is entirely within their court as to whether they change anything or not.

Techincally we have been holding the gun;  a user cannot post any pro-ending comments on the forums without getting bashed, we bombed metacritic and amazon with negative reveiws, we have contacted the media about it. complained to the FTC, threatened to never by a new product of theirs, and consitently brag about horrible sales and how many people we stopped from buying the game.

Pretty big gun.

Modifié par Murkman4683, 30 mars 2012 - 10:13 .

[zephyr2025]

He doesn't address any of the real concerns like your decisions not mattering (and them lying about it), or even how there's plenty of precedents to it already. So yeah, who cares?

[Hexley UK]

Priss Blackburne wrote...

I find is just puzzling this little stand off between Developers and Fans in the media. I mean aren't the fans the ones who buy the products the developers make.

Tv and Movies have come to the realization that their fans are their greatest supporters and will keep shows and movies going far longer then they normally would. To Alienate their most vocal fans is like a death sentence to a series.

So why is it so different for video games. Is it because some people are really pushing the Game is art concept too far and forgetting what a Video Game is. Defining a video game as your standard Art piece is useless, they are in a class all their own. The concept that once a game is released it cannot change is silly given the whole history of video games and patchs, expansions, and Mods. So to become Art we have to strip away what makes Games great and make them into movies?

If you gave me only one option and it was between playing mass effect the game or watching Mass Effect the movie. I would choose the game hands down every time, because I feel like I am contributing to the story and that I have a say in how it turns out. Where a movie I can only sit staring at things happening with no input. The whole point of the Mass Effect games is crafting the story they way you want. Sure the Developers have creating boundaries that you must fall within, but the sense that this is my own personal story of My Shepard is an amazing concept.

It's especially odd when you consider they keep bringing movies and books into the argument. I'm sitting here looking at the many "Directors cuts" and "Special editions" of movies I own that in some cases completely change the movie in question yet nobody questions the artistic integrity of these.

The same with books, some older books have several different editions that can in some cases make quite large changes to the story.

Odd double standards going on.

[PandaThing]

ZiegenkonigIII wrote...

I'm extremely disappointed with how a lot of the gaming media is handling this. Hell, I used to look up to some of them. Just, disappointed.

They are just gamers who have been told their opinion matters and want to pretend they're not nerds anymore by disagreeing with the general consensus. It's a little sad to watch actually.

[yoshibb]

No one seems to want to take the consumer's rights into the equation. If the game a had bug that caused the game to freeze and no longer progress before Shepard went to earth, than I would have a faulty product that I would demand fixing. In the same way, the ending is a gamebreaking bug for me. It is riddled with plotholes, rushed, out of character, and changes the tone of the entire trilogy in the last ten minutes.

And yet, despite the fact that I was promised a satisfying conclusion and answers to all my questions, I'm not allowed to demand something better? Should we begin ending all games "rocks fall, you die"? After all, the developers are allowed to say whatever lies they come up with and then ignore all those things and do whatever they want in game. And the consumer who paid for it must just accept whatever **** they serve up.

[Murkman4683]

PandaThing wrote...

ZiegenkonigIII wrote...

I'm extremely disappointed with how a lot of the gaming media is handling this. Hell, I used to look up to some of them. Just, disappointed.

They are just gamers who have been told their opinion matters and want to pretend they're not nerds anymore by disagreeing with the general consensus. It's a little sad to watch actually.

In a way we fall into that category, given the chance to write professionally for a gaming blog, I am pretty sure 95% us would sell out in a minute if it was offered. 

[txmn1016]

yoshibb wrote...

No one seems to want to take the consumer's rights into the equation. If the game a had bug that caused the game to freeze and no longer progress before Shepard went to earth, than I would have a faulty product that I would demand fixing. In the same way, the ending is a gamebreaking bug for me. It is riddled with plotholes, rushed, out of character, and changes the tone of the entire trilogy in the last ten minutes.

And yet, despite the fact that I was promised a satisfying conclusion and answers to all my questions, I'm not allowed to demand something better? Should we begin ending all games "rocks fall, you die"? After all, the developers are allowed to say whatever lies they come up with and then ignore all those things and do whatever they want in game. And the consumer who paid for it must just accept whatever **** they serve up.

Lol yoshibb.  This game had a TON of bugs, and I expect those to be fixed just as much as I expect them to fix the situation with the endings.  The bugs detracted from my game play experience.  So did the endings.  

[Hexley UK]

Murkman4683 wrote...

Hexley UK wrote...

Flyprdu wrote...

The author is emphatically wrong:
I'm not demanding a new ending. 
I'm suggesting. 
I'm also making it clear that my future business depends on whether BioWare heeds my suggestions.

Exactly, I find it amusing that all these journalists seem to think we're holding a gun to biowares head or something.

The ball is entirely within their court as to whether they change anything or not.

Techincally we have been holding the gun;  a user cannot post any pro-ending comments on the forums without getting bashed, we bombed metacritic and amazon with negative reveiws, we have contacted the media about it. complained to the FTC, threatened to never by a new product of theirs, and consitently brag about horrible sales and how any people we stopped from buying the game.

Pretty big gun.

Those aren't threats though m8. If I bought a car and it was crap I would complain and then never buy a car from that manufacturer again....how is that any different?

These aren't threats....they are complaints that if aren't addressed will cause me to stop purchasing the product I didn't care for again.

The way i see it is this....i could have just traded my copy of ME3 back to the shop and never complained but also i would never have bought anymore DLC or Bioware games OR i can do what i have done which is make a complaint, see what happens and then decide if i want to buy more......

[Murkman4683]

yoshibb wrote...

No one seems to want to take the consumer's rights into the equation. If the game a had bug that caused the game to freeze and no longer progress before Shepard went to earth, than I would have a faulty product that I would demand fixing. In the same way, the ending is a gamebreaking bug for me. It is riddled with plotholes, rushed, out of character, and changes the tone of the entire trilogy in the last ten minutes.

And yet, despite the fact that I was promised a satisfying conclusion and answers to all my questions, I'm not allowed to demand something better? Should we begin ending all games "rocks fall, you die"? After all, the developers are allowed to say whatever lies they come up with and then ignore all those things and do whatever they want in game. And the consumer who paid for it must just accept whatever **** they serve up.

That is the thing though, there is no law stating that if a game ships with bugs they have to fix it, it is not like the product is regualted by some law that requires a certain standard. 

Which means the same could be said for the ending and asking for more of a clarification.

Modifié par Murkman4683, 30 mars 2012 - 10:17 .

[DoctorCrowtgamer]

Zion60660 wrote...

Game Informer is pretty awful. In reality, most video game reviewers are hardly qualified to critique anything involving a storyline, as most of them seem to have completely forgotten how one writes fiction. That whole "dramatic arc" and "hero story" thing. Oh and plot holes, they're pretty bad about ignoring those.

Yeah their reviews have always been awful and they always shout down anyone who says any game may not be perfect in their letters section. I can't remember the last time I saw a review in the mag where they gave any game less then a 7.0 rating.  They are owned by gamestop so they exist to sell games and they do whatever it takes to do that.  I only get the mag because I have gmaestop discount card.

[AndreasShepard]

By god why doesn't the gaming industry understand that ruining endings to games is not in the best interest of players. Trying to force feed us this artistic integrity crap is making me sick.

[Hexley UK]

Murkman4683 wrote...

yoshibb wrote...

No one seems to want to take the consumer's rights into the equation. If the game a had bug that caused the game to freeze and no longer progress before Shepard went to earth, than I would have a faulty product that I would demand fixing. In the same way, the ending is a gamebreaking bug for me. It is riddled with plotholes, rushed, out of character, and changes the tone of the entire trilogy in the last ten minutes.

And yet, despite the fact that I was promised a satisfying conclusion and answers to all my questions, I'm not allowed to demand something better? Should we begin ending all games "rocks fall, you die"? After all, the developers are allowed to say whatever lies they come up with and then ignore all those things and do whatever they want in game. And the consumer who paid for it must just accept whatever **** they serve up.

That is the thing though, there is no law stating that if a game ships with bugs they have to fix it, it is not like the product is regualted by some law that requires a certain standard. 

Which means the same could be said for the ending and asking for more of a clarification.

No there is no law...don't you think that that is wrong? The game industry is the only industry where you can pay for a product and it doesn't have to work!