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[thinicer]

Mass Effect 4 will be what Mass Effect 3 should have been!

It will be what Windows 7 was to Windows Vista.

[Hexley UK]

thinicer wrote...

Mass Effect 4 will be what Mass Effect 3 should have been!

It will be what Windows 7 was to Windows Vista.

I truly hope so, I love Mass Effect.

[crappyjazzy]

DoctorCrowtgamer wrote...

terdferguson123 wrote...

This is a good article, and makes many valid points.

All of you who are refusing to read it just because it disagrees with your opinion in the title, well you are showing your colors as ignorant brats. The harsh truth.

And you are showing you are a slave to Bioware who has no free will of your own.  If they sold you a box with a dog turd in it for $8000 you would say it was the greatest work of art in history.

I want what I paid for and I will not give a company that lies and is still lying to me more money.  Maybe one day you will get your dread world where anyone who questions anything Bioware or EA does is gunned down in the street,but it hasn't happened yet.

Hyperbole.

But it made me larf.  thanks

[Barict78]

terdferguson123 wrote...

Barict78 wrote...

terdferguson123 wrote...

This is a good article, and makes many valid points.

All of you who are refusing to read it just because it disagrees with your opinion in the title, well you are showing your colors as ignorant brats. The harsh truth.

No they are sticking to their principals and not giving them a view cuz their just talking heads anyways so whats the dang difference. its their right not to click it and to call someone a brat for deciding not to clik an article is an example of how the Pro Enders are just as rude as the worst of the ReTake movement

Not really, at least we read the articles before judging them.

on that u are correct sir no one has the right to judge the article till they read it. By the same token they have the right to not read it without being called names.

[NubXL]

thinicer wrote...

Mass Effect 4 will be what Mass Effect 3 should have been!

It will be what Windows 7 was to Windows Vista.

Mass Effect 3 was largely what Mass Effect 3 should have been. They just blew the landing. Crashed right into the audience.

[Yuzna75]

I am glad they are fixing the ending but I have a feeling people will never be satisfied. Yes the ending sucked but at the same time I don't want to rewrite the entire ending. I want them to fix it, add to it, make it more logical. If they completely rewrite it I would actually loose faith in bioware as a company.

[Anaki86]

DoctorCrowtgamer wrote...

terdferguson123 wrote...

This is a good article, and makes many valid points.

All of you who are refusing to read it just because it disagrees with your opinion in the title, well you are showing your colors as ignorant brats. The harsh truth.

And you are showing you are a slave to Bioware who has no free will of your own.  If they sold you a box with a dog turd in it for $8000 you would say it was the greatest work of art in history.

I want what I paid for and I will not give a company that lies and is still lying to me more money.  Maybe one day you will get your dread world where anyone who questions anything Bioware or EA does is gunned down in the street,but it hasn't happened yet.

That is quite a radical conclusion you came to. I don't see anything in his comment that suggests he would mindlessly buy Bioware stuff.

[terdferguson123]

Barict78 wrote...

terdferguson123 wrote...

Barict78 wrote...

terdferguson123 wrote...

This is a good article, and makes many valid points.

All of you who are refusing to read it just because it disagrees with your opinion in the title, well you are showing your colors as ignorant brats. The harsh truth.

No they are sticking to their principals and not giving them a view cuz their just talking heads anyways so whats the dang difference. its their right not to click it and to call someone a brat for deciding not to clik an article is an example of how the Pro Enders are just as rude as the worst of the ReTake movement

Not really, at least we read the articles before judging them.

on that u are correct sir no one has the right to judge the article till they read it. By the same token they have the right to not read it without being called names.

The flaw of your argument is that they ARE judging it without reading it, where as I am judging them by that fact. One of us has a reason to be judgemental, I'll let you figure it out.

[Barict78]

Yuzna75 wrote...

I am glad they are fixing the ending but I have a feeling people will never be satisfied. Yes the ending sucked but at the same time I don't want to rewrite the entire ending. I want them to fix it, add to it, make it more logical. If they completely rewrite it I would actually loose faith in bioware as a company.

ok thats insanitiy, you would "Lose Faith" in BioWare for Trying their damndest to please a large portion of their fans?? If the Majority wants a whole new ending it only makes financial and common sense to try to do it< WIll they? prob not thats a big undertaking but id never lose faith in them for Trying to please people.

[Zeppex]

There wont be a ME4 it will be ME:Awakening.

[MCPOWill]

That was a well written article that has good reasoning to it.

[Versidious]

Valo_Soren wrote...

Another article I agree with, you do not have the right to demand a new ending.

This word, 'demand', is interesting. I'm seeing it everywhere, wielded to imply that people who hated the ending believe we have a right to it, that we feel we are 'entitled'. Well, I can't speak for others, but that's not entirely true for me. I can't *make* Bioware do anything. As it says in ME1, you can't decide how others will act, only how you will. I know what I want from Bioware, and I am making sure they know what I want. It is then up to them whether to give me what I want or not. And if they don't then, well, it's certainly the end of my preordering their games. I've bought every Bioware game right off the bat. ME3 was the first time I ordered a collector's edition, so mcuh did I desire all the gubbins that came with it. The Mass Effect series was my favourite work of fiction of all time, trumping the three Star-s, Battlestar Galactica, etc etc.

And now it is not. I am upset by that, and am campaigning for that to be rectified.

[Barict78]

terdferguson123 wrote...

Barict78 wrote...

terdferguson123 wrote...

Barict78 wrote...

terdferguson123 wrote...

This is a good article, and makes many valid points.

All of you who are refusing to read it just because it disagrees with your opinion in the title, well you are showing your colors as ignorant brats. The harsh truth.

No they are sticking to their principals and not giving them a view cuz their just talking heads anyways so whats the dang difference. its their right not to click it and to call someone a brat for deciding not to clik an article is an example of how the Pro Enders are just as rude as the worst of the ReTake movement

Not really, at least we read the articles before judging them.

on that u are correct sir no one has the right to judge the article till they read it. By the same token they have the right to not read it without being called names.

The flaw of your argument is that they ARE judging it without reading it, where as I am judging them by that fact. One of us has a reason to be judgemental, I'll let you figure it out.

Now ur just being rude and argumenative i just agreed with u essentally and all i said was theres no need to call them names if they dont read it. Even if they dont read it and judge it it soes NOT give you the right to sit in judgement of them like some Demi-God and call them names, be satisfied in knowing that their arguments can never stand up to yours unless they actually read it. Who are you sir to tell people if they are brats or not?

[FemmeShep]

Question:

If BioWare adds more to the ending via DLC, why do those that love the ending in its current state care? They can just keep the ending as is, and not download the DLC.

That's what I don't get.

Modifié par FemmeShep, 31 mars 2012 - 12:33 .

[VoodooDrackus]

Ahhh Ignorance at it's finest.

The article is well written and makes great points. Personally I don't think Bioware is going to ruin my ending by elaborating on things people have questions about.

If they change the ending completely then we have a problem. Bioware will have caved into people who were never planning on getting another Bioware game in the future anyhow. And in the process they would have alienated fans like me who respect their narratives and endings.

[Hexley UK]

FemmeShep wrote...

Question:

If BioWare adds more to the ending via DLC, why do those that love the ending in its current state care? They can just keep the ending as is, and not download the DLC.

That's what I don't get.

Many people have said the same thing and the pro-enders just keep ignoring this basic logic.

[Hexley UK]

VoodooDrackus wrote...

Ahhh Ignorance at it's finest.

The article is well written and makes great points. Personally I don't think Bioware is going to ruin my ending by elaborating on things people have questions about.

If they change the ending completely then we have a problem. Bioware will have caved into people who were never planning on getting another Bioware game in the future anyhow. And in the process they would have alienated fans like me who respect their narratives and endings.

That's hardly true m8, almost everyone i've seen has said they will gladly keep on buying Bioware games if it's fixed.

Most of the people complaining are Bioware fans not just Mass Effect fans.

Myself included.

Modifié par Hexley UK, 31 mars 2012 - 12:37 .

[FemmeShep]

Valo_Soren wrote...

Another article I agree with, you do not have the right to demand a new ending.

It would be "demanding" if someone held a gun to their head and forced them to change it.

That's not the case. But as this is a free market, consumers have the right to exercise their wallets. If they feel the ending they got did not reprsent what was promised or advertised in the product they bought, and BioWare as a company doesn't want to accomodate them to deliver on this promise, then it's their right to stop buying products from BioWare.

I fail to see how this is demanding or forcing them. I really think people miss the part where: BioWare told people all along the game would ammount to a story where your choices mattered (in regards to plot development). Then made specific promises about the ending, and didn't deliver.

It seems people are forgetting or ignoring this aspect. I honestly think if BioWare had never promised these things, or had not sold the game on these merits, you wouldn't be having this strong movement to get a new ending. You would have people upset and complaining. Sure. It's no different than LOST's ending, or the Matrix ending (with a lot of people saying the ending is ****).  But consumers are asking for a new ending here, because of what they were told they would get, and didn't.

So, please tell me how people are "demanding"...I'm curious.

And further, let's say that it was impossible to change the ending. DLC didn't exist, there wasn't a waty to patch it. So just like a TV show, people had to accept the endings as they are. No do-overs. It is what it is. Fans would choose to either support those writers again, or not depending on how they felt the end product was. This is no different then what fans are doing now.

Modifié par FemmeShep, 31 mars 2012 - 12:43 .

[Jamie9]

VoodooDrackus wrote...

Ahhh Ignorance at it's finest.

The article is well written and makes great points. Personally I don't think Bioware is going to ruin my ending by elaborating on things people have questions about.

If they change the ending completely then we have a problem. Bioware will have caved into people who were never planning on getting another Bioware game in the future anyhow. And in the process they would have alienated fans like me who respect their narratives and endings.

How would elaborating on things that happened on your ending ruin your ending? Understanding things ruins it for you? You enjoy the mountain of plotholes that exist?

I personally want them to add more endings. Not delete the current ending. Just add more, more choices. That way everybody wins.

[Hexley UK]

Jamie9 wrote...

VoodooDrackus wrote...

Ahhh Ignorance at it's finest.

The article is well written and makes great points. Personally I don't think Bioware is going to ruin my ending by elaborating on things people have questions about.

If they change the ending completely then we have a problem. Bioware will have caved into people who were never planning on getting another Bioware game in the future anyhow. And in the process they would have alienated fans like me who respect their narratives and endings.

How would elaborating on things that happened on your ending ruin your ending? Understanding things ruins it for you? You enjoy the mountain of plotholes that exist?

I personally want them to add more endings. Not delete the current ending. Just add more, more choices. That way everybody wins.

Give me less choice!!

More ignorance please!!

[Barict78]

i think hes saying if BW elaborates it WONT bother him.

[Controller_B]

Yeah, the only difference between "ask" and "demand" is really the stance/attitude of the person making the request. A demand is almost a de facto ultimatum. The whole backlash against "demanding" comes from the implication that gamers should be more deferential to developers... gaming "journalists" are so why can't you be!

Modifié par Controller_B, 31 mars 2012 - 12:42 .

[VoodooDrackus]

FemmeShep wrote...

Question:

If BioWare adds more to the ending via DLC, why do those that love the ending in its current state care? They can just keep the ending as is, and not download the DLC.

That's what I don't get.

If the DLC changes the entire meaning that I got out of my ending, then that is shaky ground.
Yes I can ignore the DLC, but I generally like to play that extra content since I'm a fan. If I play through it and it gives me a little more meaning without totally ruining my ending great, but if it completely changes the meaning entirely and makes my choice completely irrelevant in the process. Well that would be bad on so many levels.

Plus what if it is not DLC per se, but a patch to the game? Then those of us playing through it again, get to the ending and the meaning we got out of it the first time is completely undone by the new content in the ending now?

It is very dangerous, which is why Bioware is treading lightly on what they are going to do. I do not envy them the decisions they will have to make so it works out well for all parties involved.

[Barict78]

but if they do a complete overhaul it WOULD bother him cuz he thinks those that want it wont buy anymore BW products no matter what. WHich in so much as ive heard isnt true. Its actually the crux of their descion TO buy from BW again, if they fix it their faith will be restored and they will continue to buy from BW.

[Jamie9]

Barict78 wrote...

i think hes saying if BW elaborates it WONT bother him.

Oh. If that is true then I apologise because the internet causes intent to be sometimes difficult to read.